Back to form: "Tone suck" no more!

Well, I think you can now count me among all of the normal guitarists: I have finally given up on floating bridges.

After pretty much exclusively buying guitars equipped with floating bridges for the last decade, the run has ended.

The main reason for not using them for the forseeable future: Tone suck.

Now, I'm not a firm believer in the phenomenon of tone suckage, but that's essentially what the problem is.

For the past four or five years I've had to regularly equalize my amp to make up for the tonal loss. Hundreds of variations with eq and it wasn't until last night that I realized that it's gotta be the floating bridge. It was confirmed this afternoon that a stop-tailpiece gives me the attack that I was missing.

I've suspected a few times before that that could be the culprit, but you've gotta let it ride for awhile. I thought that it might be the JB's bass frequencies, but I messed about with pickup height and stuff, but the results still weren't favorable.

To be precise, the problem lies in the fact that once I'd kick on the distortion channel, the flat attack of the bridge couldn't punch through the heavy sound. The attack was very slight and ping-y and the body was muddied. What I needed was a punchy and solid attack which I get with a stop-tail.

I looked at Brass Blocks and other ideas, but that didn't seem to appear on paper to be the cure. I looked up videos and while the tone increased due to that upgrade, I could still tell that it's not what I'm looking for.

I'll miss the good times I've had with floating bridges, but now I can move forward and spend less time on the fruitless knob tweaking sessions that have dominated my playing sessions.

I see alot of musical ideas coming to fruition with my recent turnaround.

Man, it feels so good to now play and just rip it up like the rest of the world's guitarists. Not that I couldn't rip it up before, but my future sessions should be way more consistent overall.
 
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Re: Back to form: "Tone suck" no more!

Interesting. I've never had that problem with my trem-equipped guitars. It could be that my amp isn't much of a tweaker, because let's face it, when you've only got three knobs on the amp, if it doesn't sound good, it's not the gear.

Different strokes for different folks, though. Good for you for re-finding your tone.
 
Re: Back to form: "Tone suck" no more!

I blocked the trem on my strat about a week after i bought it. Good trem guitar playing is fantastic, and it adds dimension, but it's not for everyone and the headaches aren't worth it to me.

Comparing my blocked strat with 13's to my friends' floyd equipped Ibanez's and Jacksons, they all sound like sterile toy instruments through a clean channel. Even my buddies' S prestige with a seth in the neck still doesn't hold a candle, floating bridges suck tone IME. They seem to affect the way notes get articulated, and the range of character a note can have as it blooms after being picked (obviously...)
 
Re: Back to form: "Tone suck" no more!

I tightened the claw all the way down on my strat and I use all 5 springs.
Trems are fun, but I didnt use mine enough.
I play with lipstick tubes, which are normally pretty thin.
After setting the trem up like this, it sounds HUGE.
I love it.
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Re: Back to form: "Tone suck" no more!

Stratocasters can be some of the sweetest and hottest sounding guitars out there, blocked or floating. I had my white Strat blocked with a piece of wood for 10 years, with 15-58 strings on it. Took the block out, put on 11's, and is still sounds sweet.

IMO, it isn't the floating vibratos causing you to dislike the tone, but something else.
 
Re: Back to form: "Tone suck" no more!

In general, I think the locking nut has as about as much impact on tone as the bridge does. However, I think there are certain things a floating bridge does in response to your pick attack, depending on how heavy your attack is. All of that goes away with a non-trem guitar, of course, which is why both are awesome.
 
Re: Back to form: "Tone suck" no more!

I set my JB loaded Strat to float a bit with it's vintage trem - got a bone nut in it so it stays in tune with reasonable use.

It loses something. It sort of becomes a tame, bland version of it's own sound.
I imagine with some single coils I'd notice more 'air' and springy-ness and whatnot which would be sweet for clean sounds,
but with just one hot humbucker intended to play Hard Rock and Metal, it loses authority and punch.

I'll put 4 springs back and tighten everything up when I feel like it. It's better for this kind of thing.
 
Re: Back to form: "Tone suck" no more!

Stratocasters can be some of the sweetest and hottest sounding guitars out there, blocked or floating. I had my white Strat blocked with a piece of wood for 10 years, with 15-58 strings on it. Took the block out, put on 11's, and is still sounds sweet.

IMO, it isn't the floating vibratos causing you to dislike the tone, but something else.

Well, it turns out (at least at the moment) you are right.

It hit me last night that it could very well be the guitar cable I was using that is the issue. So, I've been experimenting with the different cables I have lying around.

The Planet Waves cable I had been using had been perfect, but since it's not supposed to eq your tone, the tone was rather open-ended. And, I play Metal, so definition and particularly focus are of utmost importance. My main guitar with the whammy has a note-y attack, but that about it; no focus elsewhere.

So, check those cables guys if you're having tonal issues.
 
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So is that means you changed your mind again? :naughty:
I never classified trem bridge is tone-sucking while stop tailpiece is superior and vice versa.
Each has their own purpose and every players has their own preference.
I think it'll be funny to see Vai plays a Les Paul or Hetfield with a Soloist. :D
 
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