Bad Trader Alert
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Mr 9finger
Digitally Challenged
Re: Bad Trader Alert
LMMFAO! YOU of all people, calling me white trash! LOL! That's got to be the funniest thing I've read on here in a long time!
At any rate, if I bought something, be it a pickup or a $2000 amp and I was to dam lazy to get out of my computer chair and hook it up for 8 months to check and see if it worked, I'd chalk up to my own stupidity and call it a loss. I sure in the hell would not be asking for a refund and I wouldn't get on the bad trader forum and try to trash someone.
LMMFAO! YOU of all people, calling me white trash! LOL! That's got to be the funniest thing I've read on here in a long time!
At any rate, if I bought something, be it a pickup or a $2000 amp and I was to dam lazy to get out of my computer chair and hook it up for 8 months to check and see if it worked, I'd chalk up to my own stupidity and call it a loss. I sure in the hell would not be asking for a refund and I wouldn't get on the bad trader forum and try to trash someone.
sosomething
Seymour Duncan Customer Support
Re: Bad Trader Alert
I don't know, Jerry. I think if I sold a guy something, and over half a year later, he came back at me wanting a refund, I'd probably tell him to take a hike too... unless he could prove to me that the issue wasn't something that happened while it was in his possession.
I mean, I wouldn't sell something I knew had some undisclosed problem, but think about it... would you expect anyone to just leave a new item lying around for 8 months before trying it?
"Damn, I need some cash and all I have to sell is this busted speaker. I KNOW! I'll sell it to Jerry! That lazy SOB will let it collect dust for months before he tests it and then it will be too late! I HAVE DISCOVERED THE PERFECT CRIME."
No way. Any normal buyer would have come back within a week and said "you sold me a messed up speaker," and I'd be all like "ok, send it back. Here's your refund."
I don't know, Jerry. I think if I sold a guy something, and over half a year later, he came back at me wanting a refund, I'd probably tell him to take a hike too... unless he could prove to me that the issue wasn't something that happened while it was in his possession.
I mean, I wouldn't sell something I knew had some undisclosed problem, but think about it... would you expect anyone to just leave a new item lying around for 8 months before trying it?
"Damn, I need some cash and all I have to sell is this busted speaker. I KNOW! I'll sell it to Jerry! That lazy SOB will let it collect dust for months before he tests it and then it will be too late! I HAVE DISCOVERED THE PERFECT CRIME."
No way. Any normal buyer would have come back within a week and said "you sold me a messed up speaker," and I'd be all like "ok, send it back. Here's your refund."
Lucid_Lunatic
Rebelyellologist
Re: Bad Trader Alert
I hate to do this, but I have had a bad trading experience with Tom Holmes.
I agreed to buy the "Magic Bullet" from him that was supposed to have been used in the JFK assassination. It was supposed to have came with a Certificate of Authenticity, signed by J. Edgar Hoover and the members of the Warren Commission. All I received was a flattened .22 caliber bullet along with some grainy video gifs and a letter from him stating that the driver did it.
Watch out for this guy.
I hate to do this, but I have had a bad trading experience with Tom Holmes.
I agreed to buy the "Magic Bullet" from him that was supposed to have been used in the JFK assassination. It was supposed to have came with a Certificate of Authenticity, signed by J. Edgar Hoover and the members of the Warren Commission. All I received was a flattened .22 caliber bullet along with some grainy video gifs and a letter from him stating that the driver did it.
Watch out for this guy.
Myaccount876
Amira-Maker
Re: Bad Trader Alert
Well this thread has been a fun read...Learned some stuff...I'm glad that the people I'm currently doing deals with are wonderful.
Well this thread has been a fun read...Learned some stuff...I'm glad that the people I'm currently doing deals with are wonderful.
Laughing Kookaburra
New member
Jolly_Rancher
New member
Re: Bad Trader Alert
Well, unfortunately, my purchase of 3 strat pickups from Ubermetaldood has turned negative. I paid him a couple extra bucks vis paypal and he throws them in s crappy single piece of bubble wrap and styrofoam peanuts. Well the starting strand of the bridge pickup broke st the solder joint at some point in time... And his response was that I made mistakes. I just find it fishy that he insured the package. Nobody does that. Then he told me to fix it and to deal with it like a man, hence this negative feedback.
Well, unfortunately, my purchase of 3 strat pickups from Ubermetaldood has turned negative. I paid him a couple extra bucks vis paypal and he throws them in s crappy single piece of bubble wrap and styrofoam peanuts. Well the starting strand of the bridge pickup broke st the solder joint at some point in time... And his response was that I made mistakes. I just find it fishy that he insured the package. Nobody does that. Then he told me to fix it and to deal with it like a man, hence this negative feedback.
cream123
JustAskinologist
Re: Bad Trader Alert
Although it does sound fishy, I don't think insurance is a reason to be suspicious. I insure all of my packages, and I never ship anything that's broken. Its just a safety. Sorry to hear about your loss, it sounds fishy overall.
Although it does sound fishy, I don't think insurance is a reason to be suspicious. I insure all of my packages, and I never ship anything that's broken. Its just a safety. Sorry to hear about your loss, it sounds fishy overall.
Jolly_Rancher
New member
Re: Bad Trader Alert
It was more of the way he started listing ways I messed up after I asked for $25 refunded or one of his other bridge pickups.
It was more of the way he started listing ways I messed up after I asked for $25 refunded or one of his other bridge pickups.
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Jolly_Rancher
New member
Re: Bad Trader Alert
And thanks guys. I already ordered a Seymour Duncan SSL-3
And thanks guys. I already ordered a Seymour Duncan SSL-3
UberMetalDood
New member
Re: Bad Trader Alert
JollyRancher is a liar and not telling you the whole story either. We discussed the pickups at length. I sent him detailed pictures for him to inspect, then verified that everything was to his liking before shipping. I used a small box, secured the pickups individually rolled in bubble wrap, and stuffed the rest of the box with peanuts. By all accounts, it was a professional packing job. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the pickups whatsoever when they shipped.
I received a message from him stating the following: "Yeah they took forever... Anyways, I just got them. They look good and I checked the resistances. Just FYI, The bridge is about 2.4k ohms higher than neck and middle. Thanks, and I'll leave you some good feedback in the trader forum."
Then we exchanged a series of messages that read as follows:
Ubermetaldood: "Cool. Glad to hear everything came through well. I love the sound of single coils, but I just don't use them very much. I have several strats with stock middle pickups and I've since completely disengaged them and changed to 3-way switches. I only leave them there so I don't have to buy new pick guards. Anyway, I might have two American Deluxe strats coming in. The new NS3 pickups are superb. They're better than the Sammarium Cobalt pickups that Fender used before. They're actually stacked so there's no hum. I'll be selling them though to convert the strats to an HH configuration so let me know if you're interested."
JollyRancher: "So the bridge pickup reads a resistance, but it 's not outputting any sound and I noticed one of the copper strands is loose."
Ubermetaldood: "Yeah that's happened to me before. You have to be real careful with those things because they're delicate. There are a couple of easy fixes. First, you can (very carefully) unwind the little wire one turn and resolder. The 2nd solution is to connect both ends with copper shielding. All you have to do is solder the ends of the strands to the copper shielding. Make sure the strand is taut. You don't want it to be loose."
JollyRancher: "No, it wasn't anything I did while installing them because the resistance is the same as when I pulled them out of the bubble wrap. Also, the strand isn't disconnected. It's just loose around the pickup kinda... but the last ends are still connected to the posts............ and I'm not sure what you mean about the copper shielding because there is none on these pickups."
JollyRancher: "OK I looked at it and the INSIDE (starting of the wind) strand is the one that broke at the soldering post. So, there's no way to fix it, since you can't pull it out or unwind one turn... It's dead. I'd appreciate either a refund of $25 or send me a bridge pickup from the other set.
Thanks "
Ubermetaldood: "Ok, I'll initiate a shipping claim. I'll need pictures of the outside and inside of the box and pictures of the damage to the pickup."
JollyRancher: "The box was fine from the shipper, and I threw it away. Let me ask you something since you did insure the pickups which are not worth very much... Did you know the pickup was dead and insure it so you could file a claim and get reimbursed? Because that's what it seems like to me, unless you just packaged them poorly. Honestly throwing them in a second hand piece of bubble wrap wasn't the smartest way to ship these. Honestly there is no way you can make out with the shipping insurance claim. They had no part in it. The box was fine. It's on you, buddy."
Ubermetaldood: "Hey, I packaged those pickups securely and with care as evidenced by the bubble wrap and peanuts used to fit it securely in the box. I inspected those pickups with scrutiny before I shipped them. YOU claim the box was fine yet you threw it away. You also stated the following after receiving them: "Yeah they took forever... Anyways, I just got them. They look good and I checked the resistances. Just FYI, The bridge is about 2.4k ohms higher than neck and middle. Thanks, and I'll leave you some good feedback in the trader forum."
You seemed to have inspected them carefully as you even went through the trouble of checking resistances. I find it odd that you would not have noticed a flaw to begin with. Your throwing away of the box indicates that you were satisfied with the condition of the pickups. By throwing away the box and not getting photo evidence of the packaging, you make it impossible for me to file a claim. I know they were in supreme condition and packaged meticulously, so either YOU messed it up when tinkering with it, or something happened during shipping.
You screwed up first by throwing the package away and not documenting the shipment. You screwed up again when you stated that the pickups were in good condition and that you would leave good feedback. You screwed up a third time by offending me with your stupid accusation, so it's ON YOU buddy. It's your problem so you deal with it. Don't even think about leaving negative feedback because A). You said in writing that you would leave positive feedback B). I have written documentation from you of our conversations.
You screwed up so deal with it like a man."
JollyRancher is a liar and not telling you the whole story either. We discussed the pickups at length. I sent him detailed pictures for him to inspect, then verified that everything was to his liking before shipping. I used a small box, secured the pickups individually rolled in bubble wrap, and stuffed the rest of the box with peanuts. By all accounts, it was a professional packing job. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the pickups whatsoever when they shipped.
I received a message from him stating the following: "Yeah they took forever... Anyways, I just got them. They look good and I checked the resistances. Just FYI, The bridge is about 2.4k ohms higher than neck and middle. Thanks, and I'll leave you some good feedback in the trader forum."
Then we exchanged a series of messages that read as follows:
Ubermetaldood: "Cool. Glad to hear everything came through well. I love the sound of single coils, but I just don't use them very much. I have several strats with stock middle pickups and I've since completely disengaged them and changed to 3-way switches. I only leave them there so I don't have to buy new pick guards. Anyway, I might have two American Deluxe strats coming in. The new NS3 pickups are superb. They're better than the Sammarium Cobalt pickups that Fender used before. They're actually stacked so there's no hum. I'll be selling them though to convert the strats to an HH configuration so let me know if you're interested."
JollyRancher: "So the bridge pickup reads a resistance, but it 's not outputting any sound and I noticed one of the copper strands is loose."
Ubermetaldood: "Yeah that's happened to me before. You have to be real careful with those things because they're delicate. There are a couple of easy fixes. First, you can (very carefully) unwind the little wire one turn and resolder. The 2nd solution is to connect both ends with copper shielding. All you have to do is solder the ends of the strands to the copper shielding. Make sure the strand is taut. You don't want it to be loose."
JollyRancher: "No, it wasn't anything I did while installing them because the resistance is the same as when I pulled them out of the bubble wrap. Also, the strand isn't disconnected. It's just loose around the pickup kinda... but the last ends are still connected to the posts............ and I'm not sure what you mean about the copper shielding because there is none on these pickups."
JollyRancher: "OK I looked at it and the INSIDE (starting of the wind) strand is the one that broke at the soldering post. So, there's no way to fix it, since you can't pull it out or unwind one turn... It's dead. I'd appreciate either a refund of $25 or send me a bridge pickup from the other set.
Thanks "
Ubermetaldood: "Ok, I'll initiate a shipping claim. I'll need pictures of the outside and inside of the box and pictures of the damage to the pickup."
JollyRancher: "The box was fine from the shipper, and I threw it away. Let me ask you something since you did insure the pickups which are not worth very much... Did you know the pickup was dead and insure it so you could file a claim and get reimbursed? Because that's what it seems like to me, unless you just packaged them poorly. Honestly throwing them in a second hand piece of bubble wrap wasn't the smartest way to ship these. Honestly there is no way you can make out with the shipping insurance claim. They had no part in it. The box was fine. It's on you, buddy."
Ubermetaldood: "Hey, I packaged those pickups securely and with care as evidenced by the bubble wrap and peanuts used to fit it securely in the box. I inspected those pickups with scrutiny before I shipped them. YOU claim the box was fine yet you threw it away. You also stated the following after receiving them: "Yeah they took forever... Anyways, I just got them. They look good and I checked the resistances. Just FYI, The bridge is about 2.4k ohms higher than neck and middle. Thanks, and I'll leave you some good feedback in the trader forum."
You seemed to have inspected them carefully as you even went through the trouble of checking resistances. I find it odd that you would not have noticed a flaw to begin with. Your throwing away of the box indicates that you were satisfied with the condition of the pickups. By throwing away the box and not getting photo evidence of the packaging, you make it impossible for me to file a claim. I know they were in supreme condition and packaged meticulously, so either YOU messed it up when tinkering with it, or something happened during shipping.
You screwed up first by throwing the package away and not documenting the shipment. You screwed up again when you stated that the pickups were in good condition and that you would leave good feedback. You screwed up a third time by offending me with your stupid accusation, so it's ON YOU buddy. It's your problem so you deal with it. Don't even think about leaving negative feedback because A). You said in writing that you would leave positive feedback B). I have written documentation from you of our conversations.
You screwed up so deal with it like a man."
UberMetalDood
New member
Re: Bad Trader Alert
Clearly, JollyRancher is the one in the wrong here.
A.) I offered to make a shipping claim as I know for a fact the pickups were packaged securely. Either he screwed it up or it was damaged during shipping.
B.) He inspected the pickups thoroughly and promised to leave good feedback which clearly indicates that the pickups arrived in good order.
C.) He threw the packaging away which leaves no room for a claim because he failed to even show me the evidence. I still haven't even seen a picture of the damaged pickup.
D.) When I tried to resolve the issue for him, he responded with a dirty accusation. He accused me of shipping 3 pickups with the foreknowledge that one of them was damaged in order to make a shipping claim later. First of all, that's a totally absurd accusation. Second, that's not the way to respond to someone when they're trying to resolve a trade problem.
E.) Apparently the other pickups are perfectly fine. In fact, he claims a copper strand is "loose" - not broken. Therefore, the damage is minimal and could have easily been replaced or repaired if he had handled the deal appropriately.
He lost me when he started making stupid accusations. Since he threw away the box and has no evidence whatsoever that would indicate to me that he wasn't the one who screwed up the pickup, it's all on him now. I tried to help the guy out.
As you can see clearly from the written evidence, I handled the matter reliably and rationally. It was JollyRancher who made the mistakes, responded irrationally, and lied to you about what actually took place.
Clearly, JollyRancher is the one in the wrong here.
A.) I offered to make a shipping claim as I know for a fact the pickups were packaged securely. Either he screwed it up or it was damaged during shipping.
B.) He inspected the pickups thoroughly and promised to leave good feedback which clearly indicates that the pickups arrived in good order.
C.) He threw the packaging away which leaves no room for a claim because he failed to even show me the evidence. I still haven't even seen a picture of the damaged pickup.
D.) When I tried to resolve the issue for him, he responded with a dirty accusation. He accused me of shipping 3 pickups with the foreknowledge that one of them was damaged in order to make a shipping claim later. First of all, that's a totally absurd accusation. Second, that's not the way to respond to someone when they're trying to resolve a trade problem.
E.) Apparently the other pickups are perfectly fine. In fact, he claims a copper strand is "loose" - not broken. Therefore, the damage is minimal and could have easily been replaced or repaired if he had handled the deal appropriately.
He lost me when he started making stupid accusations. Since he threw away the box and has no evidence whatsoever that would indicate to me that he wasn't the one who screwed up the pickup, it's all on him now. I tried to help the guy out.
As you can see clearly from the written evidence, I handled the matter reliably and rationally. It was JollyRancher who made the mistakes, responded irrationally, and lied to you about what actually took place.
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UberMetalDood
New member
Re: Bad Trader Alert
UPDATE:
JollyRancher, you just got busted in a lie!
Today, Jolly Rancher filed this claim with Paypal:
"I am requesting a partial refund of $27.60 for 1/3 of the cost of the 3 pieces purchased because one of them doesn't work and is defective. I was assured that they were in functional, like-new condition, but there are visible burn marks, missing screws and hardware, and scratches on the pickup covers."
However, after initially receiving the items, JollyRancher sent me this message:
"Yeah they took forever... Anyways, I just got them. They look good and I checked the resistances. Just FYI, The bridge is about 2.4k ohms higher than neck and middle. Thanks, and I'll leave you some good feedback in the trader forum."
JollyRancher obviously contradicted his own statements. He has lied to me, lied to the forum, and lied to Paypal. He STILL has not provided ANY evidence, and anything he submits now is after the fact and contrived. He is not trustworthy and I recommend not doing any business with him in the future. JollyRancher - you are not an honorable trader.
UPDATE:
JollyRancher, you just got busted in a lie!
Today, Jolly Rancher filed this claim with Paypal:
"I am requesting a partial refund of $27.60 for 1/3 of the cost of the 3 pieces purchased because one of them doesn't work and is defective. I was assured that they were in functional, like-new condition, but there are visible burn marks, missing screws and hardware, and scratches on the pickup covers."
However, after initially receiving the items, JollyRancher sent me this message:
"Yeah they took forever... Anyways, I just got them. They look good and I checked the resistances. Just FYI, The bridge is about 2.4k ohms higher than neck and middle. Thanks, and I'll leave you some good feedback in the trader forum."
JollyRancher obviously contradicted his own statements. He has lied to me, lied to the forum, and lied to Paypal. He STILL has not provided ANY evidence, and anything he submits now is after the fact and contrived. He is not trustworthy and I recommend not doing any business with him in the future. JollyRancher - you are not an honorable trader.
Jolly_Rancher
New member
Re: Bad Trader Alert
I was trying to be nice to you and not nit-pick, but you dragged it down to this level. The fact is, and since you're being uncooperative and rude, that you didn't include the hardware and there was marks on the pickups.
I was trying to be nice to you and not nit-pick, but you dragged it down to this level. The fact is, and since you're being uncooperative and rude, that you didn't include the hardware and there was marks on the pickups.
Jolly_Rancher
New member
Re: Bad Trader Alert
Just for the record, I'm not lying, but apparently you're so out of touch with reality that you can't understand what I mean... All you did was poorly package a set of pickups and then tell me to fix it when it arrived broken / sell me a partially working set of pickups. Get off your high horse and stop being such a mellow dramatic tool. And apparently you're so broke you can't handle resolving a $25-$28 dollar issue. That's pathetic.
Just for the record, I'm not lying, but apparently you're so out of touch with reality that you can't understand what I mean... All you did was poorly package a set of pickups and then tell me to fix it when it arrived broken / sell me a partially working set of pickups. Get off your high horse and stop being such a mellow dramatic tool. And apparently you're so broke you can't handle resolving a $25-$28 dollar issue. That's pathetic.
Jolly_Rancher
New member
Re: Bad Trader Alert
You just keep reinforcing my reasons for leaving negative feedback. You are a true prick. You talk too much, and don't back up anything you say with the actions you're talking up. On top of that, you're projecting. If you don't understand what that means, look it up.
The pickup ohm'd out but the connection wasn't enough to pass the faint signal of magnetism through. I was wrong to think that one pickup was fine, but the fact is it isn't fine - it doesn't work. There was no grounds for filing a shipping insurance claim because the package wasn't damaged. The pickup winding just broke a hair, hence it not functioning. It's pretty easy to relate to poor packaging of single coil pickups, as others on the forum have already, but you continue going on and on looking like a fool... And go read the Good Trader thread because I already apologized for what wrongs I've done.
I was trying to be the nice guy all along, and you've made this deal impossible to resolve with your ridiculous responses and terrible forum etiquette. Above that, you've gone way over the top by beating your fallacious claims (which are essentially the same as the ones you're upset about me making in private message) into the ground, and showing everyone how miserable it is to deal with you if a problem arises with a purchase. I don't think you've done me or yourself a service in the entire time you've been typing all this BS out.
You just keep reinforcing my reasons for leaving negative feedback. You are a true prick. You talk too much, and don't back up anything you say with the actions you're talking up. On top of that, you're projecting. If you don't understand what that means, look it up.
The pickup ohm'd out but the connection wasn't enough to pass the faint signal of magnetism through. I was wrong to think that one pickup was fine, but the fact is it isn't fine - it doesn't work. There was no grounds for filing a shipping insurance claim because the package wasn't damaged. The pickup winding just broke a hair, hence it not functioning. It's pretty easy to relate to poor packaging of single coil pickups, as others on the forum have already, but you continue going on and on looking like a fool... And go read the Good Trader thread because I already apologized for what wrongs I've done.
I was trying to be the nice guy all along, and you've made this deal impossible to resolve with your ridiculous responses and terrible forum etiquette. Above that, you've gone way over the top by beating your fallacious claims (which are essentially the same as the ones you're upset about me making in private message) into the ground, and showing everyone how miserable it is to deal with you if a problem arises with a purchase. I don't think you've done me or yourself a service in the entire time you've been typing all this BS out.
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