Baritone guitars - please school me!

Re: Baritone guitars - please school me!

I’ve not dealt with All Parts, but I can highly recommend the Warmoth stuff.

I have a Warmoth baritone strat, solid ash body in vintage white w/ that reddish/brown tortoise pickgaurd and strap locks – it has dual humbucker routing and currently there is a Seymour Duncan Custom 5 in the bridge and a Jazz in the neck, but I will be replacing those with Pearly Gates humbuckers in both the neck and bridge, its got a Birdseye maple neck w/ a reverse strat headstock and rosewood fretboard w/ abalone dot inlays on a conical radius (typically referred to incorrectly as “compound” radius) and stainless steel frets on a 28 5/8 scale, Earvana nut, Schaller mini locking tuners and a Gotoh/Wilkinson VS100 tremolo (all chrome). I run D’Addario XL 14-68’s on it tuned B-B and often Bb-Bb.

You know, a lot of people play baritones with more restraint than they would a regular guitar; they play it more like you would a bass, i.e. not a lot of string bending etc. When I first started playing this thing it beat my a$$. I’m saying that I play it just like I would a regular guitar and I’m talking double stops et al. Took a while, but my fingers got big and strong and adjusted to the abuse and now I can play it just like I would any standard guitar – BUT I have to play it very regularly, or, such as with weight lifting, I’ll lose the muscle if I take any time off. I remember thinking that doing a double stop at the 3rd fret would impossible with this gauge/tension. It’s not. Not saying there wasn’t pain involved initially. Definitely do whatever it takes to get you one of these! Whatever it takes. I simply love the low B/Bb tuning and the extra tension and deep twang I get. I never did like 7-string guitars and they don’t have the snap that a true baritone has. This Warmoth baritone scale length seems very long on paper, but is perfect (for me) @ 28 and 5/8ths – not too long and feels more like a regular guitar with a bit longer neck than it does a bass or even a Bass VI or one of those Danos. I just wear it a little higher up all Vernon Reid style is all. Get you one.

If you need strings for that thing, check out juststrings.com
 
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I want to add to this that heavy strings and low tunings on a standard guitar does not a baritone make...the sound and feel are COMPLETELY different.
 
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I'm baffled that anyone finds a 25.5" scale and a 28" scale "not that much of a difference".

I haven't actually played a bari but given the effect of even the relatively small difference between a 24.75" and 25.5" it would seem likely there's a hell of a difference.
 
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If you hold up the neck of a baritone next to a regular-scale guitar, there is not much difference in the distance between the fret wires. When other people play my baritone, they say it feels like a regular guitar. The low frequencies are more noticeable than the fact that the neck is 3 inches longer. Other factors which contribute to the overall tension (preferred tuning, string gauge) affect the feel of the instrument. After expirmenting with a variety of string gauges, I recently sat down with paper, pencil, and calculator and plugged some figures into the equation at the D'Addario website in order to select custom strings to make my guitars with different scales feel the same in B-standard tuning. The tension on these 5 guitars feels about the same, but there are still big differences between an acoustic, a full hollow electric, a Strat, a Tele, and a stretched-out Epiphone. But the only time I have to adjust my playing style is on the hollow electric.

I don't call myself "baritone" because I am some sort of baritone expert; I just happen to enjoy wrestling with my overgrown Les Paul.
 
Re: Baritone guitars - please school me!

If you hold up the neck of a baritone next to a regular-scale guitar, there is not much difference in the distance between the fret wires. When other people play my baritone, they say it feels like a regular guitar. The low frequencies are more noticeable than the fact that the neck is 3 inches longer. Other factors which contribute to the overall tension (preferred tuning, string gauge) affect the feel of the instrument. After expirmenting with a variety of string gauges, I recently sat down with paper, pencil, and calculator and plugged some figures into the equation at the D'Addario website in order to select custom strings to make my guitars with different scales feel the same in B-standard tuning. The tension on these 5 guitars feels about the same, but there are still big differences between an acoustic, a full hollow electric, a Strat, a Tele, and a stretched-out Epiphone. But the only time I have to adjust my playing style is on the hollow electric.

I don't call myself "baritone" because I am some sort of baritone expert; I just happen to enjoy wrestling with my overgrown Les Paul.

what scale lengths are your bari's? I'd really like to know what scale / string / tunings recipes you've come up with.

Cheers, Will.
 
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I haven't actually played a bari but given the effect of even the relatively small difference between a 24.75" and 25.5" it would seem likely there's a hell of a difference.

The very first time i played a 28inch Ibanez MMM1 barione (still want one), i adapted to the longer scale very quickly, and within 3hours of constant (non stop) playing i was very comfy w the longer scale.

YMMV



James
 
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I've played a few bari's & even owned a few...

Had a Dan-O reissue from several years ago and IMO, while it always sounded really cool, it was a piece of junk.

These days I'm using a Tele (the ButNut/wattage Tele) that's been somewhat modified and set up with 13-56 strings and tuned B-B, or just B standard. I do miss the longer scale of a real bari, 28" is great... the 26 1/6" isn't quite there for me... but the biggest thing about scale, is being able to tune down and retain some tension on the strings. The standard scale Tele/bari is somewhat lacking for tension... a little too easy to play... and a little to easy to bend chords out of tune.

Most of my favorite baris have had the 28" scale...

For tuning I like B standard... A can work too... never bonded with C-standard... the others are FAR easier to transpose. In C-standard everything is off a half-step... requires more thinking!
 
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what scale lengths are your bari's? I'd really like to know what scale / string / tunings recipes you've come up with.

Cheers, Will.

My real baritone has a scale of 27.75". My other guitars are just makeshift, since they have normal scales (25.5" and 24.75"). All are tuned to
B E A D F# B - low to high.

But these are the gauges I have on there right now selected for different scale lengths:

27.75" (Epiphone Les Paul Standard Baritone)
60, 46, 34, 22p, 18p, 14

25.5" (Squier Strat, Fender Tele, cheap acoustic)
66, 49, 36, 24p, 20p, 15

24.75" (Ibanez Artcore, some Washburn)
68, 52, 38, 26p, 20p, 16p

Earlier in the thread, you asked about the Warmoth and Allparts baritone necks. With baritones, the scale lengths are all over the place (from 26" to 30", typically). Between the 2 you mentioned, you will notice a difference, but in the end, you will probably select string sets to balance well with your preferred tunings. If I was making the decision, I would factor in the other things you mentioned (fret size, truss rod, nut width) into the decision.
 
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