BBE Sonic Stomp Sonic Maximizer Guitar Effects Pedal
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eschoendorff
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Re: BBE Sonic Stomp Sonic Maximizer Guitar Effects Pedal
Nope. What I suggest is that people try it for themselves and see if it gives them the sound that THEY want.
In any case, I'm done. Have fun getting the last word. I'm sure it'll be satisfying.
Nope. What I suggest is that people try it for themselves and see if it gives them the sound that THEY want.
In any case, I'm done. Have fun getting the last word. I'm sure it'll be satisfying.
ravendouglas
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Re: BBE Sonic Stomp Sonic Maximizer Guitar Effects Pedal
it's not my fault i swear...whats going on mr jolly?.....i was just curious about it since so many people use it with the amp i have....hell,i thought it was a distortion pedal..that is how much i knew about it.....but that is why we ask these questions here....somewhere,somebody here has an experience with what ever gear your asking about.....i will take you guys opinions ,over some marketing gimick any day.
Raven, your threads always start arguments.
it's not my fault i swear...whats going on mr jolly?.....i was just curious about it since so many people use it with the amp i have....hell,i thought it was a distortion pedal..that is how much i knew about it.....but that is why we ask these questions here....somewhere,somebody here has an experience with what ever gear your asking about.....i will take you guys opinions ,over some marketing gimick any day.
Binnerscot
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Re: BBE Sonic Stomp Sonic Maximizer Guitar Effects Pedal
It is one of the few items that has always frustrated me when I ran into a player using one. Trying to get the guitars to sit right in the mix for front of house becomes extremely difficult.
It is one of the few items that has always frustrated me when I ran into a player using one. Trying to get the guitars to sit right in the mix for front of house becomes extremely difficult.
Aceman
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Re: BBE Sonic Stomp Sonic Maximizer Guitar Effects Pedal
Jeez - why do I always have to explain everything...
Sonic Maximizer: Combination delay / EQ usually (but they vary). Key point is that the bass signal and the treble signals are slightly out of phase - Bass hits the speaker a little later. This works against the cone's best interests.
The maximizer adjusts the signal by delaying tones so they all hit at the same time. This keeps everything nice and even, and eliminates some cancellation.
HOW necessary this is depends on the circuit. Some circuits, amp/guitar don't have much of this, others have a lot. You have to use your ears to know.
As with all things, subtle rules here (similar to compressors). Set it until you can just hear it, then turn it down.
Be sure you need it first. Overall, I dig them.
Jeez - why do I always have to explain everything...
Sonic Maximizer: Combination delay / EQ usually (but they vary). Key point is that the bass signal and the treble signals are slightly out of phase - Bass hits the speaker a little later. This works against the cone's best interests.
The maximizer adjusts the signal by delaying tones so they all hit at the same time. This keeps everything nice and even, and eliminates some cancellation.
HOW necessary this is depends on the circuit. Some circuits, amp/guitar don't have much of this, others have a lot. You have to use your ears to know.
As with all things, subtle rules here (similar to compressors). Set it until you can just hear it, then turn it down.
Be sure you need it first. Overall, I dig them.
Diego
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Re: BBE Sonic Stomp Sonic Maximizer Guitar Effects Pedal
I've never tried one personally, but I had one gig where a guitar player had the rack piece and was tweaking it for the room.
He was playing through a Marshall preamp and poweramp too, can't remember the models.
He kept it very subtle and it actually sounded nice and wide, but then it was just a trio.
I think it does help tiny, boxy sounding combo amps feel more massive, bigger and sharper. Like, to give a modern twist to that nice old vintage amp. Maybe.
But then I've never heard it used the wrong way, but I see how it could make a guitar get lost in the mix.
I've never tried one personally, but I had one gig where a guitar player had the rack piece and was tweaking it for the room.
He was playing through a Marshall preamp and poweramp too, can't remember the models.
He kept it very subtle and it actually sounded nice and wide, but then it was just a trio.
I think it does help tiny, boxy sounding combo amps feel more massive, bigger and sharper. Like, to give a modern twist to that nice old vintage amp. Maybe.
But then I've never heard it used the wrong way, but I see how it could make a guitar get lost in the mix.
briggleman
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Re: BBE Sonic Stomp Sonic Maximizer Guitar Effects Pedal
I have used it also, but in an acoustic setting. I found it added to the sound, in a good way and at gig volume, but.... the point being it was an acoustic set. Acoustic amps and PA's have tweeters, mid-range drivers along with bass speakers. Mine was the BBE Acoustasonic preamp with the Sonic Max. built in. I used it 100% of the time with the Sonic Max. activated. It added fullness to the sound, richness, that seemed to be missing without it.
Now would it work for music with distortion, .... no.... at least not in my opinion. With delay and reverb... definitely YES. It is not right for every situation but well worth it for articulation, fingerpicking, music where you want every facet of the music to be heard.
Brad
I have used it also, but in an acoustic setting. I found it added to the sound, in a good way and at gig volume, but.... the point being it was an acoustic set. Acoustic amps and PA's have tweeters, mid-range drivers along with bass speakers. Mine was the BBE Acoustasonic preamp with the Sonic Max. built in. I used it 100% of the time with the Sonic Max. activated. It added fullness to the sound, richness, that seemed to be missing without it.
Now would it work for music with distortion, .... no.... at least not in my opinion. With delay and reverb... definitely YES. It is not right for every situation but well worth it for articulation, fingerpicking, music where you want every facet of the music to be heard.
Brad
briggleman
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Re: BBE Sonic Stomp Sonic Maximizer Guitar Effects Pedal
What you hear is bad to you. I know other sound engineers and music studio gurus who use this with excellent results. They also have other tricks up their sleeve's which I wish I could learn. The Sonic Max. does not work for you and you think it sucks.... so be it. Others think it is magic. Now, I have not heard it used in a wrong way....you obviously have. I have heard compressors, distortions, delays, reverbs, and other effects all used badly and I have also heard the magic they can produce.
You seem to be throwing the baby out with the bath water. That baby, when used correctly may be your cats meow one day!
What you hear is bad to you. I know other sound engineers and music studio gurus who use this with excellent results. They also have other tricks up their sleeve's which I wish I could learn. The Sonic Max. does not work for you and you think it sucks.... so be it. Others think it is magic. Now, I have not heard it used in a wrong way....you obviously have. I have heard compressors, distortions, delays, reverbs, and other effects all used badly and I have also heard the magic they can produce.
You seem to be throwing the baby out with the bath water. That baby, when used correctly may be your cats meow one day!
astrozombie
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Re: BBE Sonic Stomp Sonic Maximizer Guitar Effects Pedal
It's not a distortion pedal.
it affects harmonics. on recordings it sounds godly, live i dont know.
It's not a distortion pedal.
it affects harmonics. on recordings it sounds godly, live i dont know.
ravendouglas
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Re: BBE Sonic Stomp Sonic Maximizer Guitar Effects Pedal
we got the it's not a distortion pedal thing figured out yesterday astro.
we got the it's not a distortion pedal thing figured out yesterday astro.
Binnerscot
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Re: BBE Sonic Stomp Sonic Maximizer Guitar Effects Pedal
Here are some universal givens:
There is a certain way a tube amp sits in a mix vs a solid state amp....true
Bass tones are determined much more by the bass than the bass amp...true
"Engineers" are a dime a dozen, good ones are very rare...true
...a BBE does nothing to improve a guitar tone...true.
What it will do is give you the impression of what it would sound like after mixing, compressing, and mastering....except nothing else around has been processed...you disappear. A solo acoustic, sure it could fly there, any other context is pretty iffy, and usually adverse.
I know lots of guys like there toys, and I know lots of people love things to plug in. It is a fact that the majority of recorded guitar tones from all genres are recorded as guitar to amp with possibly up to two mics with good placement.
No magic boxes or "tricks", the rest of the process is all about dynamics and fitting it together with the rest of the instruments....post processing does not change the tone of the guitar.
No myth, no magic, just good gear and good ears. Everyone tries to skirt that, but there is no substitute.
You guys using BBE stuff and run live with it or record with it....wait for the engineer that hands you $$ for the cost of your BBE, then proceeds to smash it. Hire him, he is a real engineer.
Here are some universal givens:
There is a certain way a tube amp sits in a mix vs a solid state amp....true
Bass tones are determined much more by the bass than the bass amp...true
"Engineers" are a dime a dozen, good ones are very rare...true
...a BBE does nothing to improve a guitar tone...true.
What it will do is give you the impression of what it would sound like after mixing, compressing, and mastering....except nothing else around has been processed...you disappear. A solo acoustic, sure it could fly there, any other context is pretty iffy, and usually adverse.
I know lots of guys like there toys, and I know lots of people love things to plug in. It is a fact that the majority of recorded guitar tones from all genres are recorded as guitar to amp with possibly up to two mics with good placement.
No magic boxes or "tricks", the rest of the process is all about dynamics and fitting it together with the rest of the instruments....post processing does not change the tone of the guitar.
No myth, no magic, just good gear and good ears. Everyone tries to skirt that, but there is no substitute.
You guys using BBE stuff and run live with it or record with it....wait for the engineer that hands you $$ for the cost of your BBE, then proceeds to smash it. Hire him, he is a real engineer.
briggleman
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Re: BBE Sonic Stomp Sonic Maximizer Guitar Effects Pedal
WOW, you just posted pure BullSh#!
You now determine the TRUTH!!!!!!!
Binnerscot, you may be doing this just to pull a chain, but you cannot really believe what you just wrote.
Every Artist to this day is trying to find a unique tone to call his own, and you dismiss it with .....pure tone bull.
You can be the greatest guitarist in the world and unless you sound unique and different, you are lost in the mix. Good ears and good gear are an asset, but a unique sound and clarity are even better.
You need to open up your horizons and explore a little bit..... or you are going to be stuck in your place for a very long time.
The first impression is what makes or breaks an artist. Then taking it to the next level brings them the glory.
Your statements are nothing about the BBE Sonic maximizer, but your own inability to accept that this device may bring something to the table that you do not understand.
I do hope you grow out of it!!!!
WOW, you just posted pure BullSh#!
You now determine the TRUTH!!!!!!!
Binnerscot, you may be doing this just to pull a chain, but you cannot really believe what you just wrote.
Every Artist to this day is trying to find a unique tone to call his own, and you dismiss it with .....pure tone bull.
You can be the greatest guitarist in the world and unless you sound unique and different, you are lost in the mix. Good ears and good gear are an asset, but a unique sound and clarity are even better.
You need to open up your horizons and explore a little bit..... or you are going to be stuck in your place for a very long time.
The first impression is what makes or breaks an artist. Then taking it to the next level brings them the glory.
Your statements are nothing about the BBE Sonic maximizer, but your own inability to accept that this device may bring something to the table that you do not understand.
I do hope you grow out of it!!!!
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whatshisname
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Re: BBE Sonic Stomp Sonic Maximizer Guitar Effects Pedal
Well, now I know that all of the years I used a BBE, the soundguys, fans, friends, and bandmates, were all idiots.
I always got compliments on my tone, and never not even ONCE had a soundman tell me he couldn't get me to sit in the mix because of anything in my signal chain. And if one ever did, then it would have had more to do with HIS inability than anything to do with me. That claim if utterly ridiculous.
I conclude my post, by saying bull****, bull****, bull****, and more bull****.
Well, now I know that all of the years I used a BBE, the soundguys, fans, friends, and bandmates, were all idiots.
I always got compliments on my tone, and never not even ONCE had a soundman tell me he couldn't get me to sit in the mix because of anything in my signal chain. And if one ever did, then it would have had more to do with HIS inability than anything to do with me. That claim if utterly ridiculous.
I conclude my post, by saying bull****, bull****, bull****, and more bull****.
Edgecrusher
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Re: BBE Sonic Stomp Sonic Maximizer Guitar Effects Pedal
Universal givens in whose world? maybe your world but hey we get it you dont like bbe's but its what your saying is pretty ostentatious.
Just cause you dont know how to get good tones out of one doesnt mean it never happens
Universal givens in whose world? maybe your world but hey we get it you dont like bbe's but its what your saying is pretty ostentatious.
Just cause you dont know how to get good tones out of one doesnt mean it never happens
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