Belated NAD - Why aren't these more popular?

[Phantasmagoria]

Mine has plenty of authority :bigthumb:

Not knocking the JCM 2000, but eh, there's no comparison..

As far as sounds go, when dialed in properly this is hands down the best Marshall I've ever played. And I've played a lot of the usual suspects..

I bought it on the advice of my friend who owns a recording studio and has tons of Marshall's. He's had his for over ten years ..closer to fifteen probably. Never had a problem with it, solid, reliable & sounds divine..

Can't say I've had a single issue w/ mine either, though it's only been a few months..

Pretty sure these don't have a rep for unreliability.

And yeah, it's actually extremely simple to dial in and get great tones out of ..quick :bigthumb:

 

[Phantasmagoria]

..and when I say there's no comparison w/ the 2000 I mean that literally. They are very different sounding (and feeling) amps..it boils down to ones preference. The JVM is smoother, gainier and more saturated. The 2000 is beamier, more choppy/edgy & shriller ...so which sound do you prefer :lmao:

 

[Phantasmagoria]

@ the OP: Sucks. Take it to a tech

 

[80's_Thrash_Metal]

The JCM 2000 DSL does the 2203 sounds really well, which is why IME it's a lot more popular than the JVM has ever been. The JVM doesn't have the same bark, and just doesn't have the same "authority" for lack of a better word.

In my humble opinion, I Also disagree.
I've owned 2 DSL's as well as a healthy TSL. ... Both amps were tonal beasts! Yes to the 800, and 900 sounds, but also lots more gain and the TSL was very versatile.
IMHO the DSL does one thing very well and that's rip! But it's not versatile at all.
The DSL has an immense amount of gain and snarl!
The TSL needs to be run really loud to get there, but it gets there.

The JVM does ALL of those massive tones, PLUS about 10 more! It's hard to NOT get great tone from the thing!

I think, The DSL is "more popular" whatever that means because it is simple to operate and it costs a lot less on the open market.... Plus people sell them off more frequently than JVM users do.

The TSL got a bad rap right out of the gate because there was a bias drift issue in the early models and people always want to steer clear of those things. (Even though they corrected the problem quickly)

Bottom line, I sold my DSLs as well as my beloved TSL once I got my JVM and I don't regret that decision ever.

The JVM is Marshall's flagship amp and they haven't had the need to improve on it yet.

/Steve's opinion.

 

[Archer250]

@ the OP: Sucks. Take it to a tech

Nah this is way more fun

Talked to the tech

"If your diagnosis and subsequent fix works, then no need to come see me and sit in queue. Just keep me updated and I'll walk you through what to fix"

 

[Securb]

IMHO the DSL does one thing very well and that's rip! But it's not versatile at all.
.

I agree it rips but not being versatile I can't get my head around it. It has four pretty distinct sounds and the deep and tone switches. I guess being a Fender guy for years and having one amp voice I see the JCM as being very versatile. That being said it is nowhere as versatile as my Carvin X100B.

 

[80's_Thrash_Metal]

I agree it rips but not being versatile I can't get my head around it. It has four pretty distinct sounds and the deep and tone switches. I guess being a Fender guy for years and having one amp voice I see the JCM as being very versatile. That being said it is nowhere as versatile as my Carvin X100B.

Oh it's light years better than a Fendurr ha ha ha...

If I remember correctly, the DSL has 2 channels with a shared EQ. The foot switch can not turn the effects loop on or off. No reverb on the footswitch. That's kind of what I was meaning by not being versatile. It has a voice switch for gain channel though. If you play rhythm only, it'd be just fine. Compared to the TSL or JVM or even the Mode Four, it isn't nearly as stage friendly.

 

[Aceman]

Just a little to add here;

First, I have never had any problem getting whatever range of Marshall I was interested in out of any Marshall. Obviously an 800 or Jubilee need a little extra something to go to 11 though...

As for the JVM - it's a lot. Let's be honest, most Marshall-mavens are not tonal explorers. They want "that" sound. it just doesn't;t take all that to get that. DSL, 2K, 900, whatever...there are a lot of "less" Marshalls that can do the same.
- And let's not forget the proliferation of MIAB pedals and such

I'm not saying it doesn't work for those who want a big@$$ any sound from clean to obscene Marshall that is totally foot switchable, I just don't think that is most people, especially anyone who is ever gonna carry it somewhere.

 

[Archer250]

Turns out the no. 4 tube was oriented wrong (!!!)
So I put the original tubes back in, properly oriented, rebiased to 31.8mV (technically mA, but these have a bias probe) for each tube.

NOW the amp actually jumps to life a LOT more. Volume issue more than fixed. Amp is slightly louder than before, which makes me glad my OT didn't also die from one week of impedance mismatch. (since one of the tubes weren't installed properly)

Goddammit.

Anyways, I also found out my EMG 85 might not have been installed properly. It feedbacks badly. Big microphonic whine, where the SAs don't.

Pics attached are of the amp before I put the original tubes back in

 

[Securb]

Oh it's light years better than a Fendurr ha ha ha...

If I remember correctly, the DSL has 2 channels with a shared EQ. The foot switch can not turn the effects loop on or off. No reverb on the footswitch. That's kind of what I was meaning by not being versatile. It has a voice switch for gain channel though. If you play rhythm only, it'd be just fine. Compared to the TSL or JVM or even the Mode Four, it isn't nearly as stage friendly.

That is the thing I do not use the footswitch, I am in one channel and do all of my tone scupting including my reverb on the board. I guess that is a throwback to being a Fender guy.

 

[80's_Thrash_Metal]

Turns out the no. 4 tube was oriented wrong (!!!)
So I put the original tubes back in, properly oriented, rebiased to 31.8mV (technically mA, but these have a bias probe) for each tube.

NOW the amp actually jumps to life a LOT more. Volume issue more than fixed. Amp is slightly louder than before, which makes me glad my OT didn't also die from one week of impedance mismatch. (since one of the tubes weren't installed properly)

Goddammit.

Anyways, I also found out my EMG 85 might not have been installed properly. It feedbacks badly. Big microphonic whine, where the SAs don't.

Pics attached are of the amp before I put the original tubes back in

Glad you fixed it!! Another victory indeed!

 

[Phantasmagoria]

:bigthumb:

 

[Phantasmagoria]

Now stop farting around w/ it & start playing it :bigthumb:

 

[Phantasmagoria]

Honestly ^^ that's all the tone I will ever need from a Marshall ($60 Strat or not :lmao.

...it's all from the amp & only the amp. No pedals, no fx..just some onboard reverb.

That's authority enough for me :bigthumb:

 

[Archer250]

I'll definitely give it a proper spin now

 

[Securb]

I'll definitely give it a proper spin now

You rip man, I am sure you will put that amp through its paces.

 

[playas]

I hope you're ok, and the earthquake didn't affect you. Seems like it was pretty brutal.

All the best with the new amp now that it's back in action.

 

[Archer250]

I hope you're ok, and the earthquake didn't affect you. Seems like it was pretty brutal.

All the best with the new amp now that it's back in action.

Thanks

My office is on the 2nd floor, so it wasn't too scary.


The amp actually died again, so I decided to hardwire it


Glad I did because the fuse holder was burning the PCB

 

[Mincer]

Is that...safe?

 

[Securb]

Is that...safe?

I was wondering the same thing. I would be worried about damaging something downstream from the jumped-out fuse.