JB_From_Hell
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I read recently that the DC Resistance is 11.2k. From what I've understood, the XL500 is a pretty high output pup. To me, 11.2k does not really scream "high output." Any info?
Bill Lawrence XL500 DC Resistance
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Imp
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Re: Bill Lawrence XL500 DC Resistance
the lower the output, the clearer each note, from what i've noticed... my 500XL does cleans very well considering what it's designed for, and its very defined and clear under gain...
thinking about it, 11.2k makes sense. its an example of low gain pup + hi gain amp = a very nice metal tone
the lower the output, the clearer each note, from what i've noticed... my 500XL does cleans very well considering what it's designed for, and its very defined and clear under gain...
thinking about it, 11.2k makes sense. its an example of low gain pup + hi gain amp = a very nice metal tone
JB_From_Hell
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Re: Bill Lawrence XL500 DC Resistance
So, ceramic overrules dc resistance?
Zerberus said:Ceramic magnet
So, ceramic overrules dc resistance?
Imp
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Re: Bill Lawrence XL500 DC Resistance
i wouldnt say overrules, but it does strongly influence the EQ of the pickup..
invader, XL500 and hot rails are all ceramic mags.. theres a pile of others, but you get the idea. personally, i prefer alnico II or V. the DC resistance does still play a major part in the tone though.
i wouldnt say overrules, but it does strongly influence the EQ of the pickup..
invader, XL500 and hot rails are all ceramic mags.. theres a pile of others, but you get the idea. personally, i prefer alnico II or V. the DC resistance does still play a major part in the tone though.
JB_From_Hell
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Re: Bill Lawrence XL500 DC Resistance
Does anybody know a Duncan pup that the XL500's output would be comparable to?
Does anybody know a Duncan pup that the XL500's output would be comparable to?
JB_From_Hell
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Re: Bill Lawrence XL500 DC Resistance
Does anybody know a Duncan pup that the XL500's output would be comparable to?
(Aside from the Dimebucker
)
Does anybody know a Duncan pup that the XL500's output would be comparable to?
(Aside from the Dimebucker
)
the guy who invented fire
Fuzzy. Guitars
Re: Bill Lawrence XL500 DC Resistance
I have it on GOOD report that a real Bill Lawrence XL500 measures around 16.5k...the Stew-mac Bill Lwarence pups measure less. BTW...a magnet DOES NOT have anything to do with the output! If you want any more info PM me and I'll help you out and turn you to the man who knows...I just don't wanna make people mad by posting stuff.
JB_From_Hell said:
I have it on GOOD report that a real Bill Lawrence XL500 measures around 16.5k...the Stew-mac Bill Lwarence pups measure less. BTW...a magnet DOES NOT have anything to do with the output! If you want any more info PM me and I'll help you out and turn you to the man who knows...I just don't wanna make people mad by posting stuff.
JB_From_Hell
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Re: Bill Lawrence XL500 DC Resistance
If this is the case, why did the output on my CC increase when I took out the AII and installed a fat ceramic? I don't mean to sound like a smartass; I'm serious.
the guy who invented fire said:
If this is the case, why did the output on my CC increase when I took out the AII and installed a fat ceramic? I don't mean to sound like a smartass; I'm serious.
JB_From_Hell
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Re: Bill Lawrence XL500 DC Resistance
Ok, I just found a thread from a few days ago discussing the exact same thing I brought up. The 16k is the Bill Lawrence pickup. The 11.2k is the Bill Lawrence U.S.A. (different company) pickup.
Ok, I just found a thread from a few days ago discussing the exact same thing I brought up. The 16k is the Bill Lawrence pickup. The 11.2k is the Bill Lawrence U.S.A. (different company) pickup.
Imp
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Re: Bill Lawrence XL500 DC Resistance
aw maaaaaan, im gonna have to measure mine in the morning so i dont feel curious anymore lol
as for the magnet swap thing, it could have accentuated frequencies you're more sensitive to, in the same way different guitars cut through each other..
aw maaaaaan, im gonna have to measure mine in the morning so i dont feel curious anymore lol
as for the magnet swap thing, it could have accentuated frequencies you're more sensitive to, in the same way different guitars cut through each other..
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theodie
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Re: Bill Lawrence XL500 DC Resistance
The Stew mac and BillLawrenceusa.coms XL-500 is 11.2K, The Real one from Bill Lawrence.com is 16K. The Ceramic magnet is alot stronger than an A2 magnet hence, more output. You are my boy CHristian I dont mean to step on your toes but, The Magnet has alot to do with output. Its just not the resistance of the coils. Check out the tone charts output ratings, the custom has a buttload more output than the CC. More or less the only difference is the magnet or, is there something I am missing in the equation? Or is the tone chart wacked?
The Stew mac and BillLawrenceusa.coms XL-500 is 11.2K, The Real one from Bill Lawrence.com is 16K. The Ceramic magnet is alot stronger than an A2 magnet hence, more output. You are my boy CHristian I dont mean to step on your toes but, The Magnet has alot to do with output. Its just not the resistance of the coils. Check out the tone charts output ratings, the custom has a buttload more output than the CC. More or less the only difference is the magnet or, is there something I am missing in the equation? Or is the tone chart wacked?
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JB_From_Hell
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Re: Bill Lawrence XL500 DC Resistance
The tone chart is wacked, but the Custom DOES have a buttload more output than the CC. With absolutely NO alteration to anything (besides swapping the magnets), the clean channel on my amp now distorts. Everything is the same, except it's now a ceramic mag. Harmonics are a lot easier now, as well. I now this is not always a direct result of more gain, but it doesn't hurt
Here's the line __________. Both my feet are firmly planted on the "ceramic = higher output" side :laugh2:
theodie said:
The tone chart is wacked, but the Custom DOES have a buttload more output than the CC. With absolutely NO alteration to anything (besides swapping the magnets), the clean channel on my amp now distorts. Everything is the same, except it's now a ceramic mag. Harmonics are a lot easier now, as well. I now this is not always a direct result of more gain, but it doesn't hurt
Here's the line __________. Both my feet are firmly planted on the "ceramic = higher output" side :laugh2:
the guy who invented fire
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Re: Bill Lawrence XL500 DC Resistance
I said that wrong...the magnet will not change the output "on paper"...meaning that 16k is 16k no matter what but going from a weaker magnet to a stronger magnet will make the output higher. that is why the Custom, C5, and CC are so different both in tone and power, as well as many others...sorry to have said that wrong.
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JB_From_Hell said:The tone chart is wacked, but the Custom DOES have a buttload more output than the CC. With absolutely NO alteration to anything (besides swapping the magnets), the clean channel on my amp now distorts. Everything is the same, except it's now a ceramic mag. Harmonics are a lot easier now, as well. I now this is not always a direct result of more gain, but it doesn't hurt
Here's the line __________. Both my feet are firmly planted on the "ceramic = higher output" side :laugh2:
I said that wrong...the magnet will not change the output "on paper"...meaning that 16k is 16k no matter what but going from a weaker magnet to a stronger magnet will make the output higher. that is why the Custom, C5, and CC are so different both in tone and power, as well as many others...sorry to have said that wrong.
:smack: :dance:
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theodie
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Re: Bill Lawrence XL500 DC Resistance
You are forgivin my brotha!!!!
the guy who invented fire said:I said that wrong...the magnet will not change the output "on paper"...meaning that 16k is 16k no matter what but going from a weaker magnet to a stronger magnet will make the output higher. that is why the Custom, C5, and CC are so different both in tone and power, as well as many others...sorry to have said that wrong.
You are forgivin my brotha!!!!
Re: Bill Lawrence XL500 DC Resistance
This is because of a fundamental problem with the language we use around here - DC resistance IS NOT OUTPUT. People often think it is, but that messes them up. The problem is, resistance is easy to measure; output isn't. So all you get is a single bar length on the tone chart (or a mv spec for DiMarzio pups).the guy who invented fire said:I said that wrong...the magnet will not change the output "on paper"...meaning that 16k is 16k no matter what but going from a weaker magnet to a stronger magnet will make the output higher. that is why the Custom, C5, and CC are so different both in tone and power, as well as many others...sorry to have said that wrong.
JB_From_Hell
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Re: Bill Lawrence XL500 DC Resistance
It doesn't literally translate to the exact output, but it's a pretty good indicator for 'buckers. I can't think of any pups I've tried that contradict this rule of thumb.
Jester700 said:
It doesn't literally translate to the exact output, but it's a pretty good indicator for 'buckers. I can't think of any pups I've tried that contradict this rule of thumb.
Re: Bill Lawrence XL500 DC Resistance
A Duncan Stag Mag measures almost the same as an Invader but has WAY less output, and even less than the Custom, which measures lower.
Resistence is only meaningful as a measurement of output when other design aspects are the same. This counted back in the 70's, when pickups didn't vary much in construction. Today there are too many variables to count on it.
DiMarzio's Tone Zone, Air Zone, Steve's Special, and Breed all measure higher than their Super Distortion, yet have less output.JB_From_Hell said:
A Duncan Stag Mag measures almost the same as an Invader but has WAY less output, and even less than the Custom, which measures lower.
Resistence is only meaningful as a measurement of output when other design aspects are the same. This counted back in the 70's, when pickups didn't vary much in construction. Today there are too many variables to count on it.
Re: Bill Lawrence XL500 DC Resistance
Exactly. DC Resistance is pretty much worthless....there's too much guessing because there are so many other factors in the design of the pickup.
The bottom line is Duncan had to come up with values for their "output bar" in the chart somehow....I'm curious how because it's sure not DC Resistance.
I prefer Dimarzios mV usage because if you've tried one Dimarzio you can easily figure out exactly how hot the rest of them are.....I've been dead on every single time when choosing matching pickups.
Jester700 said:
Exactly. DC Resistance is pretty much worthless....there's too much guessing because there are so many other factors in the design of the pickup.
The bottom line is Duncan had to come up with values for their "output bar" in the chart somehow....I'm curious how because it's sure not DC Resistance.
I prefer Dimarzios mV usage because if you've tried one Dimarzio you can easily figure out exactly how hot the rest of them are.....I've been dead on every single time when choosing matching pickups.
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