Black Winter, Nazgul/Sentient & Pegasus/Sentient Questions (6 String Versions)

Hello forum users,

I have a lot to say here, please bear with me. Currently I am running my Schecter 6 String guitar with a mahogany body, 3 piece maple neck, an EMG 81 in the bridge and an EMG 85 in the neck. I recently had an accident with my guitar that caused my input jack to break & messed up one of my pots (Config: 1 volume, 1 tone). Instead of replacing the broken parts, I have decided to take out all of the electronics, start fresh & add in new pots for a passive set of pickups. Like many others, I did not care for the sterile/compressed sound of the EMG 81/85 combo. If I haven’t already made it clear, I am a metal player that is looking for a passive pickup with clarity, dynamics, mid-range (No scooped mids) & versatility for the tunings drop D and D standard. In addition, I wish to have a pull push pot for split coils. After hours of research, I’ve narrowed it down to 3 pickup sets: Black Winter, Nazgul/Sentient & Pegasus/Sentient. Mainly I chose each one of these pickups after YouTube demos (Keith Merrow & many others), forum posts & blogs. Honestly, it was difficult to find 6 string demo reviews in drop D & D standard since a lot of the reviews were oriented for the low tuning 6 string, 7 string & 8 string players, but I managed to find some. Anyway, here is the information I have gathered for each of the 3 sets of pickups:

Black Winter: Out of all the pickups, this one seems to have the most popularity (At least on the internet) out of all of the choices. I have read these pickups are great for mahogany bodied guitars like the one I currently have. Read also that they are more versatile than the Nazgul/Sentient (Again, don’t know how true this is). In addition, this set has the hottest output of all of them. Could be wrong on this, but I noticed in a demo that the Nazgul’s had a bit more clarity than the Black Winter’s. Could very well be how they eq’d their amps though. Also, don’t know how well these pickups do with Drop D & D standard instead of drop B & drop A#.

Nazgul/Sentient: I’ve mainly read that these pickups are great for low tunings such as drop B and drop A#. However, I read they don’t sound as tight and precise with the tunings I’m currently playing with (Drop D and D standard). Also read that this set is to be paired with ash and not mahogany, although some people have a different opinion.

Pegasus/Sentient: After a couple of demos on YouTube, they seem to have a round/thick sound (Unique sounding pickups I might add). But the general consensus I have read on these pickups is they are great for string separation & chords. They didn’t seem to have the same aggression/tightness/compression the others had, but again they have an alnico magnet and not ceramic magnet like the 2 other sets. In addition, they have the lowest output compared to the others. Never read anyone mentioning if they do well in mahogany guitars or how well they do with the tunings I play.

My main question is what set of pickups should I go with based on my specs? I’m leaning towards the Black Winters (Based on all of the positive reviews) & the Pegasus/Sentient (Because of the versatility & the string separation), but I’m still unsure whether either set would be a good choice for my current setup.

Just to clarify some information…

Current rig: Schecter C-1 with a mahogany body, 3 piece maple neck, 25.5 scale & stop tail bridge. Running this guitar through an audio interface into Reaper with VSTs.
Tunings: Drop D and D standard.
Music Groups I prefer: Lamb of God, Tool, Strapping Young Lad, Gojira, The Haunted, etc.
Playing Style: Fast articulate riffs (For example, Redneck by Lamb of God) with the occasional reverb & delay clean sounds (Think of Tool). I generally play thrash metal, groove metal & progressive metal (No black or doom metal).

Perhaps I may be wrong with some of the information I have obtained. Generally speaking, your money is best spent upgrading your amp/cab for a better guitar sound instead of your pickups. However, due to the unfortunate circumstances of my current situation, I have decided to spend my money to fix my guitar. I am trying to make the best consumer choice as possible. Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.
 
Re: Black Winter, Nazgul/Sentient & Pegasus/Sentient Questions (6 String Versions)

Re: Black Winter, Nazgul/Sentient & Pegasus/Sentient Questions (6 String Versions)

Welcome to the Forum!

My guess would be the Black Winters. They are actually more versatile than the descriptions lead you to believe. I'm not sure the Nazgul has more clarity than the Black Winters, but for the tunings you use, those would certainly be my choice. If you live in the US, there is a 21 day exchange policy if you don't end up liking them (I can't imagine, but it happens).
 
Re: Black Winter, Nazgul/Sentient & Pegasus/Sentient Questions (6 String Versions)

Re: Black Winter, Nazgul/Sentient & Pegasus/Sentient Questions (6 String Versions)

Black Winter: Out of all the pickups, this one seems to have the most popularity (At least on the internet) out of all of the choices. I have read these pickups are great for mahogany bodied guitars like the one I currently have. Read also that they are more versatile than the Nazgul/Sentient (Again, don’t know how true this is). In addition, this set has the hottest output of all of them. Could be wrong on this, but I noticed in a demo that the Nazgul’s had a bit more clarity than the Black Winter’s. Could very well be how they eq’d their amps though. Also, don’t know how well these pickups do with Drop D & D standard instead of drop B & drop A#.

if you like the BW, check out this post from SD Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/seymourduncanpickups/posts/10153853393574261

my experience with them is that they will be at home with tuning down.


Music Groups I prefer: Lamb of God, Tool, Strapping Young Lad, Gojira, The Haunted, etc.

speaking of Lamb Of God, the Mark Morton Dominion set is a nice set. quite versatile and maybe a little more evenly voiced.
 
Re: Black Winter, Nazgul/Sentient & Pegasus/Sentient Questions (6 String Versions)

Re: Black Winter, Nazgul/Sentient & Pegasus/Sentient Questions (6 String Versions)

Hey, thank you all for the feedback!

Referring to darthphineas's post:

Hey, awesome reviews! In regards to the Dominions, I had looked at that set in the past, but after listening to some demos, I wasn't sold on them. Going back to the BWs, do you know how well do they record/track through audio interfaces (Example, Scarlett 2i4) into Reaper? In addition, when I would record with the EMGs, I would have to turn the input pads on so they would not clip the guitar signal (Due to the high output of the active pickups). Would that be the same case with the BWs even though they're passive, but with a high output?
 
Re: Black Winter, Nazgul/Sentient & Pegasus/Sentient Questions (6 String Versions)

Re: Black Winter, Nazgul/Sentient & Pegasus/Sentient Questions (6 String Versions)

I own all of these pickups and I generally play in E standard. I would go black winter. It is my favorite of these, very versatile.

It will definitely do Thrash well.

The Nazgul is the most aggressive sounding of the lot. I find it hard to use for anything but all out or crystal clean cleans. It has a bit of a chainsaw grind at all times.

The pegasus sounds a bit tame for you.

I do not know where you will have to set your interface. Unfortunately, without your exact rig, I can't really say.
 
Re: Black Winter, Nazgul/Sentient & Pegasus/Sentient Questions (6 String Versions)

Re: Black Winter, Nazgul/Sentient & Pegasus/Sentient Questions (6 String Versions)

Hey, thank you all for the feedback!

Referring to darthphineas's post:

Hey, awesome reviews! In regards to the Dominions, I had looked at that set in the past, but after listening to some demos, I wasn't sold on them. Going back to the BWs, do you know how well do they record/track through audio interfaces (Example, Scarlett 2i4) into Reaper? In addition, when I would record with the EMGs, I would have to turn the input pads on so they would not clip the guitar signal (Due to the high output of the active pickups). Would that be the same case with the BWs even though they're passive, but with a high output?

Can't speak to Reaper

How an instrument goes into the red can have to do with a lot of things. What experience do you have recording with high output passive pickups?

I tend to get on a soapbox about online "demos" and how they don't always do justice the same fidelity of hearing something for yourself. Relying on online videos and sound clips would have kept me from buying many things that I have ended up liking more than "demos" would have made me think.
 
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Thing is, if you record direct with EMG, you shouldn't go through the high Z or instrument input. You should plug into the line in input. That is because EMG put out a low z signal.

And my experience with passive vs active for direct recording is that the EMG aren't really that high output and that passives is alot more peaky. Meaning they are more dynamic so setting a good signal is key, but leave some headroom for the peaks.


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Re: Black Winter, Nazgul/Sentient & Pegasus/Sentient Questions (6 String Versions)

Re: Black Winter, Nazgul/Sentient & Pegasus/Sentient Questions (6 String Versions)

Hey, again thank you all for the feedback!

What experience do you have recording with high output passive pickups?
Absolutely none, I started recording with the EMG 81/85 combo.

I tend to get on a soapbox about online "demos" and how they don't always do justice the same fidelity of hearing something for yourself. Relying on online videos and sound clips would have kept me from buying many things that I have ended up liking more than "demos" would have made me think.
Valid point. That's one of the downfalls with solely basing your opinion on a pickup set by listening to online demos. I haven't found a shop in my area that have carried the black winters or even the dominions for me to try out & test.

Thing is, if you record direct with EMG, you shouldn't go through the high Z or instrument input. You should plug into the line in input. That is because EMG put out a low z signal.

And my experience with passive vs active for direct recording is that the EMG aren't really that high output and that passives is alot more peaky. Meaning they are more dynamic so setting a good signal is key, but leave some headroom for the peaks.
Never had thought of leaving headroom for the peaks when setting a signal with the passive pickups, all in all good pieces of information. I'm still very much a beginner when it comes to recording & tracking guitars.
 
Re: Black Winter, Nazgul/Sentient & Pegasus/Sentient Questions (6 String Versions)

Re: Black Winter, Nazgul/Sentient & Pegasus/Sentient Questions (6 String Versions)

Hey, again thank you all for the feedback!


Absolutely none, I started recording with the EMG 81/85 combo.


Valid point. That's one of the downfalls with solely basing your opinion on a pickup set by listening to online demos. I haven't found a shop in my area that have carried the black winters or even the dominions for me to try out & test.

The Dominion has a pretty even and balanced EQ. The BW has more focus in the upper mids and high. The Dominion has more presence in the highs than the more edgy highs in the BW. That's based on the same guitar with same amp settings tuned to standard E with 10-46.
 
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Re: Black Winter, Nazgul/Sentient & Pegasus/Sentient Questions (6 String Versions)

The Nazgul is the most aggressive sounding of the lot. I find it hard to use for crystal clean cleans. It has a bit of a chainsaw grind at all times.

(Fixed.) Ditto x 100. I've just recently acquired a Nazgul, and it's the first pup I've ever owned where the "dirt" is built into the pup. (In a good way.) There is no clean setting.
 
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Re: Black Winter, Nazgul/Sentient & Pegasus/Sentient Questions (6 String Versions)

I can get a Metallicaesque clean out of it. (PRS Archon 25 clean channel, which does not break up at all) It actually sounds pretty good in that sort of scenario. (Reminds me of and nothing else matters, actually) It is when any dirt gets added to it whatsoever, that it gets very aggressive. Where, say any other pickup would sound like gentle edge of breakup, the nazgul sounds like edge of breakup with a chainsaw cutting through the front door.
 
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Re: Black Winter, Nazgul/Sentient & Pegasus/Sentient Questions (6 String Versions)

I prefer the Black winters,I have installed a pair of them in my Esp Ltd 256 with mahogany body,flame Maple top,sounds awesome,and they can retain clarity as well,it all depends on eq settings and speakers etc,my experience with them is awesome!
 
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Re: Black Winter, Nazgul/Sentient & Pegasus/Sentient Questions (6 String Versions)

Thank you guys again for all of the feedback on this topic.

Based off of all of the recommendations, I have decided to go with the Seymour Duncan Black Winter set instead of the Nazgul/Sentient, the Pegasus/Sentient & even the DiMarzio Dominions. Hopefully this pickup set will work out to my benefit.
 
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Yay!
Clips please!

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Re: Black Winter, Nazgul/Sentient & Pegasus/Sentient Questions (6 String Versions)

What I like about this post: Dude did his homework before going swap crazy!

Well done. I can only speak to drop D. I've done that a lot with a mahogany/Maple neck Les Paul. And with a Distortion, which is kinda like a Black Winter….

Can't speak to others….
 
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Re: Black Winter, Nazgul/Sentient & Pegasus/Sentient Questions (6 String Versions)

I think you will be happy with the Black Winters. But we'd still like to hear them....
 
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Re: Black Winter, Nazgul/Sentient & Pegasus/Sentient Questions (6 String Versions)

Bump


*UPDATE*

Hello again,

Just recently got my guitar equipped with the new Black Winter Pickups. They sound absolutely fantastic & they’re extremely versatile (As many people mentioned). Thank you guys again for the recommendation.

Now on to another matter, I have run into an issue some people seem to have. I run my guitar into my audio interface (Scarlet 2i4) & through a couple of metal/high gain VSTs (Mainly the LePou LeGion plugin and the TSE 808 plugin). As expected, you’re going to get feedback due to the amount of gain you’re dialing in. However, there seems to be this annoying humming noise that only goes away when I touch any of the metal parts on my guitar (Knobs, tuners, strings, bridge, etc.) or any of the metal parts on the audio interface (Since the Scarlet 2i4 has a red metal exterior). In addition, when I disconnect the instrument cable of my guitar and put the end about an inch away from my audio interface, the humming goes away. Is this a grounding issue with my guitar, audio interface or the power strips/connections? My guitar is not properly shielded in the electronics cavity, could this be the problem as well? Or is this just normal when you’re running through a high gain amp/VST?

I now just noticed the hum since I turned the pads off the interface and I dialed in the input differently. This means I could have had the humming issue even before installing the new pickups, but never noticed it.

Hopefully once this issue is resolved, I can provide some sound demos for people to try out in their DAWs.

Any advice or feedback would be greatly appreciated.
 
Re: Black Winter, Nazgul/Sentient & Pegasus/Sentient Questions (6 String Versions)

Re: Black Winter, Nazgul/Sentient & Pegasus/Sentient Questions (6 String Versions)

Passive p/ups need to be grounded,usually a wire off the bridge/tailpiece bushing.
 
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Re: Black Winter, Nazgul/Sentient & Pegasus/Sentient Questions (6 String Versions)

It could be the level of gain, or the proximity to the computer. Is the hum the same if you move around the room?
 
Re: Black Winter, Nazgul/Sentient & Pegasus/Sentient Questions (6 String Versions)

Re: Black Winter, Nazgul/Sentient & Pegasus/Sentient Questions (6 String Versions)

Passive p/ups need to be grounded,usually a wire off the bridge/tailpiece bushing.

The guy who worked on my guitar had already done this. He had to drill a small hole to the bridge so that he could ground the pickups.

Here's a picture for reference:

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NOTE:
Pointed a red arrow towards where the hole was drilled.

It could be the level of gain, or the proximity to the computer. Is the hum the same if you move around the room?

Thought of this too. The hum is the exact same if I move around the room or even if I left the room. Switched off all of the lights and still the same results. Even used a couple of different VSTs such as Positive Grid Bias; same results.
 
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