Blackout Modular Preamp is in my SSS strat

Gr8Scott

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I have one fairly traditional strat loaded with Area 58's and one that has noiseless single coils in it from Bill Lawrence (the L200S Neck, L280S Mid and L290 Bridge). Though I was happy with the tone of the L290, I felt that the whole guitar could use a bit more output and I wanted a change especially in the neck and middle pickups. I decided to install the Blackouts Modular Preamp. This ordinarily presents a problem since apparently noone has installed this preamp in a single coil equipped guitar as far as I know. Call me crazy or call me an innovator, but I decided to try it once I found this remarkable preamp on the internet for $44 with free shipping. It came in this Saturday and I spent the better part of 4 hours tonight installing this beast. I'm not going to include pix as the wiring looks like a rats nest. It's really hideous to say the least and I really did try to keep things somewhat neat. I could have made it neater if I removed some of the pickup lead length, but I just ran out of time and I wanted to get it over with to see if it worked and how it sounded.

It sounds dark on the neck and mid pickups and not too bad (though I would prefer it to be brighter) on the bridge pickup. The tone control seems to be kind of unresponsive really and it doesn't seem to do much. I may try removing the wire from the tone control and I'll see how that sounds. If it's too bright, I'll wire in a smaller capacitor for the tone pot until it settles into a zone that sounds good. The mids are thick and hot. This guitar definitely has the active pickup sound now. It went from mild to wild in 4 hours. The output is much higher than previously. Pedals that once sounded kind of thin with this guitar now have this throaty crunch with more sustain than previously. It isn't dialed in yet, but I really feel that it has incredible potential. Talk about a sleeper guitar. Noone would ever expect the huge sounds that this guitar has in it to come out of those teensy little noiseless single coil pickups.

I think I've come up with a way to make the guitar work without the preamp given the way I've wired it up. I don't know for sure though and I won't know until I get the correct switch in and try it out. If the guitar sounds best without the tone knob in it, I'll use the hole for the tone knob to house the switch. I tend to not use the tone knob in guitars anyway and the ability to use the guitar regardless of the status of the battery would be a nice option to have plus it would give me the ability to access the non-BMP powered original sounds.
 
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What resistance is your tone pot? I believe you want 25K with the Blackout. (That's right, no zero there.)
 
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I decided to install the Blackouts Modular Preamp. This ordinarily presents a problem since apparently noone has installed this preamp in a single coil equipped guitar as far as I know. Call me crazy or call me an innovator, but I decided to try it once I found this remarkable preamp on the internet for $44 with free shipping. It came in this Saturday and I spent the better part of 4 hours tonight installing this beast.

Did the BMP-1 come with instructions for a SSS strat or did you get creative with the wiring? I've had this same thought and almost did it this past Saturday. Any tips or pics would help us future explorers. Thanks, Scott!
 
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interesting

i wonder what the differences are when comparing using that preamp and using something like the pickup booster pedal

good luck dialing it in
t4d
 
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I have thought about BO's for a strat too. Since the pickups are coaxial humbuckers are you using just one side of the preamp with 2 wires or are you using both sides with all 4 wires? From what I understand the BO preamp is designed to combine and amplify both coils to get the final tone. If you are only using one half of the preamp circuit the preamp wouldn't be doing the phase cancellation of the two coils, which might explain why the sound is either bright or dark.
 
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I have thought about BO's for a strat too. Since the pickups are coaxial humbuckers are you using just one side of the preamp with 2 wires or are you using both sides with all 4 wires? From what I understand the BO preamp is designed to combine and amplify both coils to get the final tone. If you are only using one half of the preamp circuit the preamp wouldn't be doing the phase cancellation of the two coils, which might explain why the sound is either bright or dark.

The pickups are 2 conductor only. I'm still using both sides of the preamp in three of the switch positions though. Creative wiring dontchyaknow... :naughty: :scratchch

The guitar isn't super-muddy. I think I can bring it back from the brink.
 
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Did the BMP-1 come with instructions for a SSS strat or did you get creative with the wiring? I've had this same thought and almost did it this past Saturday. Any tips or pics would help us future explorers. Thanks, Scott!

There are no instructions for SSS. This pre wasn't designed to be used with SSS and it has limitations/considerations if used in that capacity...

If you use normal single coil pickups and intend to run them one at a time, the 60 cycle hum will be amplified with the rest of the signal because the preamp doesn't have another coil with 60 cycle hum to cancel the hum with. My pickups are a noiseless design and they don't suffer from this drawback.
 
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interesting

i wonder what the differences are when comparing using that preamp and using something like the pickup booster pedal

good luck dialing it in
t4d

Thank you. I haven't used the pickup booster, so I don't know how it would compare.
 
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If you feel like sharing, I'd love to hear the details about how you wired things up. I have a couple of BMP's that I've been experimenting with in a few guitars with various pickups. One thing that, in my exp, I don't agree with is that the pup you start with is only 30% of the final sound--70% being the pre. Feeding the BMP with different pups has given me very different results.
 
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I spoke with Frank about the method I used to make this happen a couple of months ago. He thought it would be interesting, but he couldn't say how it would turn out. I've been thinking of doing this for a while now, but I just didn't have the time or extra cash to buy the parts to make it happen. I finally got everything together to make this project work this weekend.

It's really not rocket science. Basically it's noiseless strat pickups running to a monster 5 way switch and that is feeding the input on one side of the BMP. The wiring is standard for the BMP after that.

The monster switch allows you to run any two pickups at once or just one if you prefer. Mine is set up as follows:
1-Bridge Only
2-Bridge & Mid
3-Bridge & Neck
4-Mid & Neck
5-Neck Only

Now that I've had a little more time to test this guitar out, my initial impression was based on using one pedal through a clean amp. That was a touch misleading unfortunately. The guitar is still a bit dark overall, but the Edana didn't seem to notice all the extra signal on tap. There was extra signal there I could tell, but it didn't translate to more gain in the amp really. The guitar was a bit more on par with my other guitars in terms of the signal it was putting out instead of being the weakest link, but it's no flame thrower by any means. The mids weren't as present with just the amp either. The single coil character was very present in the pickups after the install, though the change was more perceptible when you ran two pickups at once through the BMP. Output increased noticeably that way as well.
 
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That's a great idea putting the switch before the preamp.


I'm waiting for someone with an HSS to hook up the two singles like a humbucker to this thing.
 
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That's a great idea putting the switch before the preamp.


I'm waiting for someone with an HSS to hook up the two singles like a humbucker to this thing.

I'm loaded with great ideas. Problem is, I don't have the funds to make all those ideas happen and I can't seem to convince someone else to fund my projects. I have a very fertile/warped imagination and just enough knowledge to be dangerous.

The HSS idea would be easy to do and you wouldn't need anything more than a normal 3 way switch if you don't care to use the singles as singles and will only use them together as a sort of humbucker. Should work like a charm.
 
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Thanks for the follow up, Gr8. I figured that's how you were going about it because there's just not much you can do after the preamp. You can only get a max of two hots, which only gives 3 combos. I thought I'd ask, though, since it wouldn't be the first time I overlooked something simple.
 
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You are welcome Guston7. This is just my way of giving back to SD. They let me hang out here and I have hopefully opened up a new market segment for them to investigate.

I've done some tweaking and wire swapping and I figured out that I had the preamp wired in wrong. My first clue is that I was running output 1 directly to the output of the guitar and my volume pot wasn't working. I then learned exactly what the pot in and pot out contacts were for LOL. It's exactly what they say they are and it's pretty important that you use them IMHO. I also reversed the order that the coil wires fed into the preamp. That brightened up the tone nicely and I can still use the standard tone knob and capacitor now. The character of the guitar changed immensely. For one thing, the preamp really kicks hard when you are running two coils through it at once. Much harder than I previously found while using the wrong output etc. There is a significant volume drop on the 1 and 5 positions of this strat. When I shift the selector over to 2-4 positions, it sounds very much like a real-deal humbucker and the output is actually greater and much thicker sounding than my p-rails equipped yamaha weddington running at full bore. In positions 1 and 5 it has slightly more output than stock and the tone of the pickup remains very much the same as it was previous to the install.

Posistion 1 - Weakish P90
Posistion 2 - Crushing thick and clear humbucker just like a LP Custom.
Posistion 3 - Middle position LP
Posistion 4 - Neck Position LP (very fat)
Posistion 5 - Weakish Strat Single Coil

This mod cost me $44 for the preamp and $16 for the monster switch. $60 and this strat went from kind of bland to incredibly versatile. This preamp install has completely surpassed my expectations. If you have a strat with a set of noiseless pickups in it, I highly recommend this mod. This strat sounds so cool that I really do think my other guitars are going to collect a fair amount of dust while I really wear this guitar out. My Weddington was my #1 guitar, but I think this cheap mexi strat has just supplanted it.
 
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I just finished installing the BPM into my WRC gibson superstrat. Very significant boost, full sound, and didn't lose the guitar's tone. Having 1 humbucker and 2 single coil pups has proved challenging as the BPM is designed for 2 humbuckers...My single coil pups have 3 conductor wires??? I wasn't sure how to handle that..Creative wiring has it working but the pup switch is not working properly. If anyone has any ideas I'd really appreciate them...I think I am going to rewire it again and try to setup the 2 singles as a humbucker when I wire it to the BPM...
 
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A little bit more creative wiring and surprise!! the pup switches is working..I had to wire to the 2 single coils into the preamp module as a humbucker!! Works and sounds Great without compromising the sound of my axe!!
 
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Just a thought, I'm looking into installing a Phat Cat in the neck of my Aria PE Standard, and perhaps a custom/distortion/hybrid in the bridge, I was wondering what effect the preamp would have in that setup? (I was planning on coil splitting the bridge)
 
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... In positions 1 and 5 it has slightly more output than stock and the tone of the pickup remains very much the same as it was previous to the install.

Position 1 - Weakish P90
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Position 5 - Weakish Strat Single Coil
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Hey Gr8Scott,

Your post here has been very helpful to me in understanding what to expect if I attempt a sort-of-similar wiring setup using a Blackout preamp - so thank you.

Just so I can be sure i fully understand what you reported here in the quote about the sound of the positions 1 and 5 ... When you said they are "weakish" ... I believe you meant each was lower in volume comparison to the positions 2, 3 and 4 which featured two pickups combined? Vs. meaning the sounds in positions in 1 and 5 sounded like sub-par single coil tones?

Thanks in advance.

Also, I loved your idea in your YouTube video about removing the screw coils in a humbucker pickup to make it sound like a high volume, noiseless single coil pickup!
 
Re: Blackout Modular Preamp is in my SSS strat

Hey Gr8Scott,

Your post here has been very helpful to me in understanding what to expect if I attempt a sort-of-similar wiring setup using a Blackout preamp - so thank you.

Just so I can be sure i fully understand what you reported here in the quote about the sound of the positions 1 and 5 ... When you said they are "weakish" ... I believe you meant each was lower in volume comparison to the positions 2, 3 and 4 which featured two pickups combined? Vs. meaning the sounds in positions in 1 and 5 sounded like sub-par single coil tones?

Thanks in advance.

Also, I loved your idea in your YouTube video about removing the screw coils in a humbucker pickup to make it sound like a high volume, noiseless single coil pickup!

This is an old thread if you didn't notice and you might be waiting a while for a reply from the OP.
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