Blues Saraceno/Screaming Demon, revisited

orpheo

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If there is one humbucker set I'd have to use for the rest of my life if I had to choose at gun point it'd be the PATB3/Demon set. It's the perfect combination of beefiness, power, clarity, harmonics, tightness, purity, organic feelz, sparkle, chime, honkyness, howling madness and everything in the middle, making this pickup set perfect for a really allround setup. Are there pickups better suited for a specific task? For sure. But the fact remains, these pickups aren't nearly as often used as they should. Perhaps thats because it's still odd to use the Demon in the neck (perhaps the guitars I build are so clear already, this pickups simply 'works' in my guitars, compared to others?). Perhaps the PATB3 is just still too ugly. I'm not sure. But I do know, this set? rocks.

This is the guitar I have it in right now.



This guitar wasn't really supposed to be, at all. After I routed the body I discovered a huge worm hole in the side. it wasn't visible on the outside before I set the bandsaw in the body blank, at all! The neck had a similar issue. But when the guitar was routed, I simply wanted to toss the parts out and start over, but I figured that it would be a good practice piece for carving the top, neck, heel, sanding the hell out of this guitar, finishing, setup, etc etc. LIke a cheap way to practice without really hurting or damaging a 'good' piece. So I started working and voila, this is the result. The top turned out decent, but the tone. Man, the tone. This guitar howls, sustains for days AND is surprisingly stable tuning wise! I didn't use carbon fiber stiffening rods in my necks back then, so a year down the line, the neck still didn't need adjustment, despite having lived through a rough summer and crazy winter.

This sucker is what I call a slimline: thinner than a regular LP with a super-deep cutout for extreme upper fret access. A stripped down guitar like this needs a super simpel wiring: 1 volume, 1 tone, 1 pickup selector and done. Maybe I'll add a coil split later on cause these pickups split so epically.

The finish is handrubbed french polished shellac on a 2 piece bookmatched maple top, 1 piece limba back, rosewood neck and a 22 fret, 24.75'' compound radius ebony fretboard. She barely hits the 8lbs mark.
 
Re: Blues Saraceno/Screaming Demon, revisited

To me, building a Les Paul for upper fret access seems like trying to hatch a square egg.
 
Re: Blues Saraceno/Screaming Demon, revisited

To me, building a Les Paul for upper fret access seems like trying to hatch a square egg.

wow, if that's all you got from the story of this guitar... :dunno: this guitar was supposed to go to the shredder but I decided to do something else with it. make a viable instrument out of it.

P.S. The only resemblance this guitar has with a Les Paul is the shape and scale. nothing more. Even the shape isn't like a les paul. compare it to a 'regular' les paul and you'll see it. And I'm not just talking about the upper fret acces, but the horn as well. Even the 'ass' is different, the waist is different etc etc.
 
Re: Blues Saraceno/Screaming Demon, revisited

Nice looking guitar. When I was into hot pickups, the only way I liked the demon was in the neck, also.
 
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Far from being all I got, I just made a point about design in general. The fiddle is still likeable despite the droopy neck pickup ring, the screws and the crap built up around the frets.

What else, do not ever throw tonewood into the chipper. Well, you already know that.
 
Re: Blues Saraceno/Screaming Demon, revisited

Far from being all I got, I just made a point about design in general. The fiddle is still likeable despite the droopy neck pickup ring, the screws and the crap built up around the frets.

What else, do not ever throw tonewood into the chipper. Well, you already know that.


yup, gotta clean up the fretboard. Didn't get around to do that, my bad.

The pickup ring like that is kinda a 'have to' since the horn is so strangely scooped away, for extreme upper fret access. where would we be if we never experimented? And this guitar, with its knots and holes and all, was the perfect candidate for experimentation.

FYI: this is also one of my hand and has an otherwise extremely normal pickup ring:



@JB agreed :) but the PATB3 isn't a hot pickup per se. but she's got attitude \m/
 
Re: Blues Saraceno/Screaming Demon, revisited

The PATB-3 is one of the few Duncans I have never owned, but would like to. I have a PATB-1 in a PRS with a Full Shred Neck and I really like it.
 
Re: Blues Saraceno/Screaming Demon, revisited

The PATB-3 is one of the few Duncans I have never owned, but would like to. I have a PATB-1 in a PRS with a Full Shred Neck and I really like it.

How is the volume difference between the demon and the PATB? It's hard to tell how deep demon is screwed into the pickup ring.
 
Re: Blues Saraceno/Screaming Demon, revisited

Looks like a nice axe. I wonder if the wormhole has somehow added to the tone by chambering the body in an unusual fashion?
 
Re: Blues Saraceno/Screaming Demon, revisited

This seems like a great pickup match on paper. I would love to hear a demo. I am one who has stayed away from the PATB3 because I find it to be a bit ugly but I'd love to use it if it sounds that good. I've always kicked the idea around of buying a screamin' demon for neck position use but I always faced this same problem; what would I use in the bridge position?
 
Re: Blues Saraceno/Screaming Demon, revisited

The Demon works great with many bridge humbuckers. For example the alternative 8, the JB/Fullshred Hybrid (my favorite hotrod pickup), it works great with well... what not?

But the PATB3 is SO ugly.... but the tone... the tone... I'll make a demo clip today. I can't make any promises though.

The output balance is fine. I didn't adjust the pickup heights, at all, and need to do that. didnt get around to do that yesterday.

About that pickup ring: yes that's the pay off if you wanna scoop the horn out as much as happened with this guitar. I wanted to try it out, that's all. It worked, but it doesn't win a beauty contest nor should it.

But... the tone, the playability, the weight, the balance... I really like this guitar, and it's a great demo guitar too.
 
Re: Blues Saraceno/Screaming Demon, revisited

The Demon works great with many bridge humbuckers. For example the alternative 8, the JB/Fullshred Hybrid (my favorite hotrod pickup)

I figured it would work great with many higher output bridge pickups for sure. I tend to use low output bridge pickups in my guitars so although the idea of a moderate output neck humbucker like the Demon is interesting to me, I wasn't sure if I wanted to get into the high output bridge pickup territory in any of my current HH guitars.
 
Re: Blues Saraceno/Screaming Demon, revisited

That's a badass looking guitar, man.
And how do you like the Demon in the bridge? I love mine, with some complaints. But I love it.
Never tried it in the neck. I think I should get an El Diablo... Sounds like my ultimate pickup.
 
Re: Blues Saraceno/Screaming Demon, revisited

I actually quite like the way the parallel axis pickups look. I prefer them to blade style humbuckers.
 
Re: Blues Saraceno/Screaming Demon, revisited

I actually quite like the way the parallel axis pickups look. I prefer them to blade style humbuckers.

Me too. I'm a cheap bastard and I never come across a used one so I have never tried one. Maybe one day ...
 
Re: Blues Saraceno/Screaming Demon, revisited

This guitar wasn't really supposed to be, at all. After I routed the body I discovered a huge worm hole in the side. it wasn't visible on the outside before I set the bandsaw in the body blank, at all! The neck had a similar issue. But when the guitar was routed, I simply wanted to toss the parts out and start over...
Plug it with some filler and put a solid color finish over it! It's chambered!

On a serious note, I have heard some sing the praises of the Screamin' Demon as a neck pickup. I haven't tried it there, but I do have them in the bridge position of a couple of guitars. They're bright and edgy! I'd imagine they'd work well as a neck pickup.

I have the Blues Trembucker in a couple of guitars at the bridge position too. It is a crunchy, clear, and singing pickup. I love it. However, I have found it's true that it is voiced for guitars that are deficient in low end like the ash or alder Floyd-equipped guitars that Blues Saraceno played. I tried it in a guitar with a 24 3/4" scale and mahogany body, and it sounded too bassy and boomy, especially when playing a B power chord at the 7th fret. In the alder bodied, 25 1/2" scale guitars I have Blues trembuckers in now, they sound fat, chunky and have great harmonics.

And BTW that is a sharp looking guitar. Nice work!
 
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