Bogner vs Bugera: Discuss
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JMP/HBE
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Phantasmagoria
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Damn Chinese stuff :lmao:
What do you know...I found a clip I already did ...Bugie does Boogie :bigthumb:
Rough/first mix w/ raw tracks..
Damn Chinese stuff :lmao:
What do you know...I found a clip I already did ...Bugie does Boogie :bigthumb:
Rough/first mix w/ raw tracks..
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Re: Bogner vs Bugera: Discuss
Line 6 did the Delay and Reverb. And did it well. It's been my #1 for the last few years. I think it's bad rap comes from not being super roadworthy. But since mine sits in my little studio . . . no probs so far.
Line 6 did the Delay and Reverb. And did it well. It's been my #1 for the last few years. I think it's bad rap comes from not being super roadworthy. But since mine sits in my little studio . . . no probs so far.
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TBH, I actually had this same confusion for years. Whenever I'd see someone list a Bogner at thousands of dollars, I instanty thought "WTF?"
Then, one day, I played an Ecstasy 101B. I never made that mistake again. Shortly after, I played a Twin Jet. And then, shortly after that, bought a Twin Jet.
TBH, I actually had this same confusion for years. Whenever I'd see someone list a Bogner at thousands of dollars, I instanty thought "WTF?"
Then, one day, I played an Ecstasy 101B. I never made that mistake again. Shortly after, I played a Twin Jet. And then, shortly after that, bought a Twin Jet.
YeRedHouseOverYonder
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^^ I lol'd hard at that. Definitely have made that mistake before. The Twin Jet along with a Revv G120 are both my dream metal amps \m/
I have had a couple Bogners. Even the PCB ones were built like tanks and sounded really good (Barcelona and a New Yorker). The Handwired stuff is amazing and well-crafted. As always, shop used. There are killer deals on eBay or Reverb if you wait patiently.
I currently own my 2nd Helios 50W (sold the first one) and switched from Kemper back to tubes. The Helios is Bogner's anthology of Marshall's IMO. I like the 50W version better as it is more raw to my ears and the built in variac gets the amp to sag more for a convincing vintage tone. For my purposes, its a one-stop shop for Marshall tones. Each prospective channel just nails an absolute killer tone. The plexi went from hendrix to Page. The hot from Guns N Roses to Opeth/Mastodon. Takes pedals well. Really all I could want from one amp and not have to rely on a *ton of equipment.
The biggest downfall of the Helios is the channel switching capabilities. You won't be able to a killer clean or overdriven (plexi) tone and then footswitch to the hot channel and rip some leads. There's a huge volume drop *or increase when switching channels. Seems like the amp was designed to have two different voicings with is fine with me, annoying for others. A boost for the plexi channel bridges the gap a little more.
Here's a reference video of the high gain capability of a Helios. Put up against a Friedman JJ and Uberschall.
https://youtu.be/et4ucajusZQ
Some guitar pr0n since this thread needs more photos:
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^^ I lol'd hard at that. Definitely have made that mistake before. The Twin Jet along with a Revv G120 are both my dream metal amps \m/
I have had a couple Bogners. Even the PCB ones were built like tanks and sounded really good (Barcelona and a New Yorker). The Handwired stuff is amazing and well-crafted. As always, shop used. There are killer deals on eBay or Reverb if you wait patiently.
I currently own my 2nd Helios 50W (sold the first one) and switched from Kemper back to tubes. The Helios is Bogner's anthology of Marshall's IMO. I like the 50W version better as it is more raw to my ears and the built in variac gets the amp to sag more for a convincing vintage tone. For my purposes, its a one-stop shop for Marshall tones. Each prospective channel just nails an absolute killer tone. The plexi went from hendrix to Page. The hot from Guns N Roses to Opeth/Mastodon. Takes pedals well. Really all I could want from one amp and not have to rely on a *ton of equipment.
The biggest downfall of the Helios is the channel switching capabilities. You won't be able to a killer clean or overdriven (plexi) tone and then footswitch to the hot channel and rip some leads. There's a huge volume drop *or increase when switching channels. Seems like the amp was designed to have two different voicings with is fine with me, annoying for others. A boost for the plexi channel bridges the gap a little more.
Here's a reference video of the high gain capability of a Helios. Put up against a Friedman JJ and Uberschall.
https://youtu.be/et4ucajusZQ
Some guitar pr0n since this thread needs more photos:
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JMP/HBE
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What did you pay for your Helios ?^^ I lol'd hard at that. Definitely have made that mistake before. The Twin Jet along with a Revv G120 are both my dream metal amps \m/
I have had a couple Bogners. Even the PCB ones were built like tanks and sounded really good (Barcelona and a New Yorker). The Handwired stuff is amazing and well-crafted. As always, shop used. There are killer deals on eBay or Reverb if you wait patiently.
I currently own my 2nd Helios 50W (sold the first one) and switched from Kemper back to tubes. The Helios is Bogner's anthology of Marshall's IMO. I like the 50W version better as it is more raw to my ears and the built in variac gets the amp to sag more for a convincing vintage tone. For my purposes, its a one-stop shop for Marshall tones. Each prospective channel just nails an absolute killer tone. The plexi went from hendrix to Page. The hot from Guns N Roses to Opeth/Mastodon. Takes pedals well. Really all I could want from one amp and not have to rely on a top of equipment.
The biggest downfall of the Helios is the channel switching capabilities. You won't be able to a killer clean or overdriven (plexi) tone and then footswitch to the hot channel and rip some leads. There's a huge volume drop *or increase when switching channels. Seems like the amp was designed to have two different voicings with is fine with me, annoying for others. A boost for the plexi channel bridges the gap a little more.
Here's a reference video of the high gain capability of a Helios. Put up against a Friedman JJ and Uberschall.
https://youtu.be/et4ucajusZQ
Some guitar pr0n since this thread needs more photos:
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YeRedHouseOverYonder
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Waaayyy under what most are selling for right now. I see these sitting at $2200 most of the time. If you're super patient and lucky, I've seen these as low as $1500. They fly off at that point. I paid $1750 shipped for mine. Custom cab is from Sourmash I believe. I asked for $1500, but the seller didn't want to ship this without a head cab. I can't complain tho, as I feel that's a decent deal on a handwired boutique amp. Cheapest one on Reverb right now is $2495 plus shipping, $95, and CA tax.
I do agree that Bogners do have a certain feel/sound (chew) that some don't like. I am definitely not one of them however.
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Waaayyy under what most are selling for right now. I see these sitting at $2200 most of the time. If you're super patient and lucky, I've seen these as low as $1500. They fly off at that point. I paid $1750 shipped for mine. Custom cab is from Sourmash I believe. I asked for $1500, but the seller didn't want to ship this without a head cab. I can't complain tho, as I feel that's a decent deal on a handwired boutique amp. Cheapest one on Reverb right now is $2495 plus shipping, $95, and CA tax.
I do agree that Bogners do have a certain feel/sound (chew) that some don't like. I am definitely not one of them however.
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The Helios is one I've wanted to try for a while now... it blows me away in every demo I ever hear, but then I look over to my stack of amps, see my Studio Classic, and then remember that every "boutique Marshall-like" thing always pales when I put it next to a cranked 2203, 2204, or SC20, and there's a part of me that's skeptical that I'll ever find an amp better than a proper single-channel MV Marshall at doing that sound... but, if there's anything that could, "another Bogner take that's less polite than an XTC" would be the one.
The Helios is one I've wanted to try for a while now... it blows me away in every demo I ever hear, but then I look over to my stack of amps, see my Studio Classic, and then remember that every "boutique Marshall-like" thing always pales when I put it next to a cranked 2203, 2204, or SC20, and there's a part of me that's skeptical that I'll ever find an amp better than a proper single-channel MV Marshall at doing that sound... but, if there's anything that could, "another Bogner take that's less polite than an XTC" would be the one.
YeRedHouseOverYonder
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For sure, I get what you're saying. If I had the space, I would try to own more amps. I sold a '65 Silvertone 1483 that was "Jack White in a box" just because I live in a studio apartment. As it is, my Fiancée wants me to tidy up my computer and music area.
For those who already have a 2203, 2555, '60s Super Lead, Super 100, JTM 45, or modded marshall (Brown sound or SIR 39), the real deal may blow the bogner away. I think Bogner's intent with the Helios was to make it a Swiss Army knife of M style tones. That's what makes it perfect for my studio apartment setup. The Two Notes Captor X and Sennheiser HD 58X let me play while my Fiancée teaches her 1st grade zoom class.
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For sure, I get what you're saying. If I had the space, I would try to own more amps. I sold a '65 Silvertone 1483 that was "Jack White in a box" just because I live in a studio apartment. As it is, my Fiancée wants me to tidy up my computer and music area.
For those who already have a 2203, 2555, '60s Super Lead, Super 100, JTM 45, or modded marshall (Brown sound or SIR 39), the real deal may blow the bogner away. I think Bogner's intent with the Helios was to make it a Swiss Army knife of M style tones. That's what makes it perfect for my studio apartment setup. The Two Notes Captor X and Sennheiser HD 58X let me play while my Fiancée teaches her 1st grade zoom class.
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I always thought the idea behind the Helios was to recreate the Bogner Modded Plexis and 2203s that a lot of folks were using in the early '90s before Bogner's original designs really took off? The XTC Blue channel is supposed to be a lot more "polite" than those early designs were, with less top-end bite and less attack, which would mean the Helios would fill a gap in the lineup even without taking into consideration its versatility -- it's the most aggressive of the big-bottle Marshall voiced amps (in terms of voicing/attack, not gain) in the Bogner lineup, at least on paper.
I always thought the idea behind the Helios was to recreate the Bogner Modded Plexis and 2203s that a lot of folks were using in the early '90s before Bogner's original designs really took off? The XTC Blue channel is supposed to be a lot more "polite" than those early designs were, with less top-end bite and less attack, which would mean the Helios would fill a gap in the lineup even without taking into consideration its versatility -- it's the most aggressive of the big-bottle Marshall voiced amps (in terms of voicing/attack, not gain) in the Bogner lineup, at least on paper.
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YeRedHouseOverYonder
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I haven't played/owned an XTC, so I can't personally comment, but I have read posts from others who have. They definitely agree that the Helios is more aggressive than the blue channel. You can dial in a fast and tight character which doesn't come off as polite like you mentioned. The same guy who owns both said the gain isn't as much as the red channel.
I got the Helios for its versatility inside the plex and hot inputs.The hot input can definitely achieve a modded plexi and 2203 footprint with the proper settings (hot input/ch II w/ the switches set to taste). The plexi hits more the jtm 45 to super lead/bass plexis (plex input /ch I/II depending on intended gain range, variac on w/ vol 2 at 3 o' clock). This where the 50W shines since it has the variac. The low end has a looser feel which sounds more vintage to me. You can also dial in a more NVM Marshall tone by pushing the 2nd volume around 3 o' clock. Between the 70/80 modes and B1/N/B2 switches, you can really sculpt out a lot of tones. All this despite its inability to pull off proper channel switching due to the volume drop or increase. Had Bogner eliminated the audible jump, you'd see why more praise and owners for the Helios.
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I haven't played/owned an XTC, so I can't personally comment, but I have read posts from others who have. They definitely agree that the Helios is more aggressive than the blue channel. You can dial in a fast and tight character which doesn't come off as polite like you mentioned. The same guy who owns both said the gain isn't as much as the red channel.
I got the Helios for its versatility inside the plex and hot inputs.The hot input can definitely achieve a modded plexi and 2203 footprint with the proper settings (hot input/ch II w/ the switches set to taste). The plexi hits more the jtm 45 to super lead/bass plexis (plex input /ch I/II depending on intended gain range, variac on w/ vol 2 at 3 o' clock). This where the 50W shines since it has the variac. The low end has a looser feel which sounds more vintage to me. You can also dial in a more NVM Marshall tone by pushing the 2nd volume around 3 o' clock. Between the 70/80 modes and B1/N/B2 switches, you can really sculpt out a lot of tones. All this despite its inability to pull off proper channel switching due to the volume drop or increase. Had Bogner eliminated the audible jump, you'd see why more praise and owners for the Helios.
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Just tried out our second guitarists Revv G on Saturday he got built to the specs I recommended (Kt-88s, orange instead of boring black) and wow, what am amp! Every mode of every channel is incredible and useable. Channel 3 requires no boosters or overdrives of any kind no matter how tight or gainy you need.^^ I lol'd hard at that. Definitely have made that mistake before. The Twin Jet along with a Revv G120 are both my dream metal amps \m/
I have had a couple Bogners. Even the PCB ones were built like tanks and sounded really good (Barcelona and a New Yorker). The Handwired stuff is amazing and well-crafted. As always, shop used. There are killer deals on eBay or Reverb if you wait patiently.
I currently own my 2nd Helios 50W (sold the first one) and switched from Kemper back to tubes. The Helios is Bogner's anthology of Marshall's IMO. I like the 50W version better as it is more raw to my ears and the built in variac gets the amp to sag more for a convincing vintage tone. For my purposes, its a one-stop shop for Marshall tones. Each prospective channel just nails an absolute killer tone. The plexi went from hendrix to Page. The hot from Guns N Roses to Opeth/Mastodon. Takes pedals well. Really all I could want from one amp and not have to rely on a *ton of equipment.
The biggest downfall of the Helios is the channel switching capabilities. You won't be able to a killer clean or overdriven (plexi) tone and then footswitch to the hot channel and rip some leads. There's a huge volume drop *or increase when switching channels. Seems like the amp was designed to have two different voicings with is fine with me, annoying for others. A boost for the plexi channel bridges the gap a little more.
Here's a reference video of the high gain capability of a Helios. Put up against a Friedman JJ and Uberschall.
https://youtu.be/et4ucajusZQ
Some guitar pr0n since this thread needs more photos:
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YeRedHouseOverYonder
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The Charcoal Tweed and modern faceplate call to me. I just looked at the prices and with a lead time of 4 months, I'm considering to drop a deposit at the end of the month or late August. I would love the g120 to have 4 channels, but my Captor X can only handle 100W @ 8 ohm. And to be honest with myself, I would live in that purple channel lol.
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I would pay the price of admission ($2999) for the G120 just for the purple channel alone. I think they sell a 100W version of Purple Channel (Generator 100P). Jesus Christ is that a killer metal tone. Even the Revv G3 Pedal slays with drop tuning.
The Charcoal Tweed and modern faceplate call to me. I just looked at the prices and with a lead time of 4 months, I'm considering to drop a deposit at the end of the month or late August. I would love the g120 to have 4 channels, but my Captor X can only handle 100W @ 8 ohm. And to be honest with myself, I would live in that purple channel lol.
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deathbytinnitus
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Bugera is not comparable to Bogner as far as quality and design. That being said I really liked my Bugera 333XL, it was a good sounding amplifier, but it's like comparing a Hyundai Genesis Coupe to a Mercedes AMG v8. They are both fun to drive and will both take you places but one is on a different level of bonecrushing.
I got my Uberschall on Reverb a few months ago for 1700$ , I dont think they are excessive on the used market.
Bugera is not comparable to Bogner as far as quality and design. That being said I really liked my Bugera 333XL, it was a good sounding amplifier, but it's like comparing a Hyundai Genesis Coupe to a Mercedes AMG v8. They are both fun to drive and will both take you places but one is on a different level of bonecrushing.
I got my Uberschall on Reverb a few months ago for 1700$ , I dont think they are excessive on the used market.
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Phantasmagoria
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Yeah...welcome..always great when someone comes in just to share their experience..
Personally I think Bugera's tend to compare pretty favorably to bigger name amp's (often extremely favorably) as far as how they 'sound' which apart from reliablity is all that concerns me (and as I've mentioned I've had not a day's trouble with mine since I bought it 8 years ago..)
Two flavors ..sure, I think they're both great. But I'm not hearing Hyundai hatchback vs V8 Merc
Yeah...welcome..always great when someone comes in just to share their experience..
Personally I think Bugera's tend to compare pretty favorably to bigger name amp's (often extremely favorably) as far as how they 'sound' which apart from reliablity is all that concerns me (and as I've mentioned I've had not a day's trouble with mine since I bought it 8 years ago..)
Two flavors ..sure, I think they're both great. But I'm not hearing Hyundai hatchback vs V8 Merc
