Boutique PAFs comparison?

Nico 666

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I know each of you has is own favorite and there is no consensus to elect one as the best.
So that is precisely my question.
Any of of you that has tried Antiquities, Fralin, Timbuckers, Voodoo, Wagner, etc...
What are their differences regarding "anatomy" (magnets, resistance, asymetric coils,...) and sound (the brightest, the warmest, ....)
I think it should be great to have that kind of info instead of "the XXX is the best and blows anything else", which I think is only a matter of personal taste. So please try to be "as objective as possible".
Thanks for any input

Nick
 
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Of the Boutique humbuckers I have tried:

Lindy Fralins
Duncan Antiquitys
Harmonic Design
Tom Holmes

Brightest & most articulate but still retaining a ballsy lively tone would be the Lindy Fralins.

Warmest and roundest with almost a hollow acoustic quality to the mids would be the Antiquitys.

Similar but with a ballsier more aggressive tone and less of that hollow quality would be the Tom Holmes.

The Harmonic Design humbuckers are very classy sounding, IMO. They remind of something that Larry Carlton would enjoy!

I love them all and don't really feel that any one model is better than the others...but I tend to like what Seymour and Lindy design in terms of a tone that sounds right for me.

In fact, I've been thinking of trying some Antiquitys in my Les Paul that now has the Holmes humbuckers in it.

Lew
 
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Lew, do you think that production pickups like the Pearly Gates and the Seth Lover model have what it takes to go head to head with the boutique designs you've tried?
 
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Thanks Lew!
That's the kind of answer that is useful!
I agree with the Antiquities being warmer and "woodier" than the Fralin.
The only other ones I tried are the Voodoo 59' which are really nice sounding, a bit brighter than the Antiquity in the bridge and a bit glassier in the neck.
Any other experience. Keep it coming.

Nick
 
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Benjy_26 said:
Lew, do you think that production pickups like the Pearly Gates and the Seth Lover model have what it takes to go head to head with the boutique designs you've tried?

I do! That's why I use the Seth Lover in my favorite humbucking guitar I own, my Hamer Monoco Super Pro, and the Duncan 59 Trembuckers and Pearly Gates in my Strat style guitars with humbuckers.

I can use pretty much any pickup I want...and in those particular guitars those are what I use because those are what I like best in those guitars.

Lew
 
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Cool. I still want to try a set of Ant.'s in my Hamer, though. :wall: :burnout:
 
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2 sets of timbuckers (very open tone, still thick, kinda tele like for a PAF, full with harmonics. The bridge screams, and the neck is so woody, hard to believe. Love them all) I think it has a5 magnet in the bridge (I am not too sure), and a2 in the neck. The whole deal is about the physical unbucker technique, i.e. the slug coil being a little lower than the screw coil. Bridges are like 8.40K and necks like 8.00K.

1 set of Rolph's 59s. Jim Rolph makes one from what you've got to say. In my case I wanted a "pearly", and he's done is job very well. 8.35K bridge and 7.80K neck. Bridge is very open (not as much as tim's rounder, I think it has an a2 magnet), again with harmonics (not as much as tim's tho), but blooms under pick attack, and it is doing a great job for them "pearly" tones.

2 sets of antiquities. very open very 3d, I generally change the magnets either to a5 bridge a3 neck or a5 bridge and stock dun-aged magnet in the neck (for the woody neck tone). But does not have that nasal screaming tone of the other two above (and PGs). It is rather flatter, but that's not something bad, on the contrary it is good and makes them unique. After the magnet mod, they become what burstbuckers were designed to do! Not that much uppermids. The neck with the dun-aged magnet blooms under pickattack without screaming, and that's soo cool!

My CS PG; great pickup. It is very similar to rolph, but has less 3d harmonics, and somehow less woody. But still great pickup! Would not trade them for any of the other boutique pickups. I coupled it with a 8.00K PGb in the neck, and they simply are the best pickups I have ever owned with the exception of the above.

Tried voodoo 59's, found the bridge simply icepicky. Definitely the brightest one in this batch. The neck was kinda similar to that from a timbucker set, so the neck was great. I sold them as a set! :smack:

Came across a Fillmore bridge, it was similar to a BBQ, but was more open, reacted quite well to vol adjustments, that is cleaned real well. But in comparison to the first 4 it lacks in the openness department. It is not a PAF clone after all, and has a little more compressed tone. BTW a custom custom with an a3 magnet I think is pretty close to it.

Burstbuckers from my R7 and R8: Great pickups, not the best, but they work. They do that flatter non uppermid heavy, non-nasal PAF tone quite well. The ones I owned (sold one kept the better set) are really not bad pickups at all. Somewhat comparable to seths. BTW I owned seths for some time but then sold them after getting antiquities. But I'd say seths and burstbuckers are quite similar, both a2s after all. One BBV neck I came along sucked big time, but the bridge was quite good. Was similar to a 59b, 59b being a little more heavy on the uppermids. thus the BBV sounds brighter, but was not thin at all.

My 8.75K PG+, again one of my favorites. Among all the pickups I own this one in a LP is the one closest to a timbucker bridge!

3 59's 2 necks and 1 bridge (8.70K). Great pickups, the bridge sounds close to an a5 antiquity, but the ant is deeper, has more 3d clarity, and is not that uppermid heavy as the 59. Btu 59b is probably the best one for the money! I don't like 59n's to my ears they sound too defined, too strat like. The bass in the neck is sort of too in your face. That's why I swap their a5's with either a2's or a3's. In fact I think they sound the best with dun-aged magnets out of antiquities. Still lacking in openness and 3d clarity.

That's my humble opinion.

Peace

B
 
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The master of Turkey Tone has spoken. And in better and more eloquent English than I can speak myself! :laugh2:

Lew
 
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Lewguitar said:
The master of Turkey Tone has spoken. And in better and more eloquent English than than I can speak myself! :laugh2:

Lew

:burnout:
 
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Lewguitar said:
The master of Turkey Tone has spoken. And in better and more eloquent English than I can speak myself! :laugh2:

Lew

Dr.B just broke it ALL down for us!!!

Hey Doc...what's the deal with your CS PG???
 
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I got it in 91 from some fellow player, who was kinda local guitar hero in bars around you know. He said he got it from SD custom shop ealy 90. At that point I could not play at all, but kept it safe 'till the time I really realized how good it is. Back in those days I've been using high output pickups, and been looking for the late 60s early 70s tones. :smack: I remember trying it out in my 95standard replacing a dimarzio super distortion. It was an instant winner.

I dunno somehow its tone has the magic. Open, round, spongy but still screaming.

It has long legs (like 59s ants etc) and no logo.

B :cool2:
 
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Dr. B,

You are the man.

To answer the original question, I've owned/own the following:

1. Tom Holmes 450/455
-liked them but not enough to keep them at $300 for the set.

2. Lindy Fralin 8K/9K
-very nice humbucker, but not PAF vintage. Does high-gain very well.

3. Timbuckers
-they are still in my R8. The bridge pup is unbelievable. I'm not so happy with the
neck pup, but it sounds very nice.

4. PG neck
-the best neck pickup for me. She is so smooth under high-gain that I'm not sure
why I ever removed her. Very stupid on my part, but I needed to make room for
the Timbucker set. I suppose a Timbucker bridge and PG neck would be a match
made in heaven.

5. Goodwood neck
-I have the pickup, but have not installed her yet. Once I learn to solder, I will
give her a try.
 
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Lee_M. said:
Dr. B,

You are the man.

To answer the original question, I've owned/own the following:

1. Tom Holmes 450/455
-liked them but not enough to keep them at $300 for the set.

2. Lindy Fralin 8K/9K
-very nice humbucker, but not PAF vintage. Does high-gain very well.

3. Timbuckers
-they are still in my R8. The bridge pup is unbelievable. I'm not so happy with the
neck pup, but it sounds very nice.

4. PG neck
-the best neck pickup for me. She is so smooth under high-gain that I'm not sure
why I ever removed her. Very stupid on my part, but I needed to make room for
the Timbucker set. I suppose a Timbucker bridge and PG neck would be a match
made in heaven.

5. Goodwood neck
-I have the pickup, but have not installed her yet. Once I learn to solder, I will
give her a try.

:) thanks.

I feel what you say about the timbucker neck. It is not that upfront isn't it. Whereas PGn has more under the hood, in terms of being a little more in front of the mix.

Being a Warren fan, you gotta keep that PGn in the neck of your paul, no?

B
 
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Lew & Doc,

You guys have done a brilliant job of describing these pups. Thanks! That's the kind of review folks need to hear when making up their minds. Detailed, but down-to-earth.

Thanks boys,

Jeff
 
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Yeah!
Just wanted to give a bump to thanks all of you, esp. Lew and the Doc for your infos!

Nick
 
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dr.barlo said:
:) thanks.

I feel what you say about the timbucker neck. It is not that upfront isn't it. Whereas PGn has more under the hood, in terms of being a little more in front of the mix.

Being a Warren fan, you gotta keep that PGn in the neck of your paul, no?

B

You are welcome!

The Timbucker is very, very "Woody" (if that is defined as you are getting the true tone of the guitar through the pickup with minimal EQ shaping and added output). It is far from "raw" or "upfront".

The PGn definitely has more under the hood and I think that I will switch back to that pup. I just need to decide if swapping the Timbucker Neck will have a significant impact on the middle position tone of the Timbucker set.

Dr. B, what do you think? Would I be a fool to take out the Tim neck?
 
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Thanks! I'm thinking of trying some new pickups in my Les Paul.

Maybe a set of Pearly gates or Antiquitys.

I love the Holmes but I'd like a little clearer tone from the neck pickup.

I've been coreesponding with Dr. Barlo about this and I think I'm going to start by going through my Antiquity stock and selecting a neck Antiquity to try.

What DC Resistance would you guys recommend?

Lew
 
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Lee_M. said:
You are welcome!

The Timbucker is very, very "Woody" (if that is defined as you are getting the true tone of the guitar through the pickup with minimal EQ shaping and added output). It is far from "raw" or "upfront".

The PGn definitely has more under the hood and I think that I will switch back to that pup. I just need to decide if swapping the Timbucker Neck will have a significant impact on the middle position tone of the Timbucker set.

Dr. B, what do you think? Would I be a fool to take out the Tim neck?

Lee, I was in your shoes but for some reason the neck has really, really grown on me. Maybe it's the amp...what sounded a bit muted thru the Boogie sounds amazing through the old Fender. Even through the Direct Drive. It might be that the bridge pickup is brighter than what I had been used to (having discovered the joys of the 500k pots and actually starting to use them) and switching to the neck PU seemed like such a radical change in terms of brightness. I'm getting used to it, though, and now I love it. It feels and sounds way more organic to me now.

Lee, I think you are ahead of me on the learning curve on this one...I have found that between the new pots, pickups, and amp it's like a whole new world with that guitar.

I don't expect that to help...just sharing! :laugh2:
 
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Lewguitar said:
What DC Resistance would you guys recommend?

Lew


I personally like my neck humbuckers to be on the low side of things. My Paul has a Pearly Gates in the neck that meters out to around 7.1K. It took me forever to find, too. :burnout:
 
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