Brian May's Tone

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I've read that brian mays signiture guitars pickups are fatter sounding than single coils and a little snappier than humbuckers. so would a P-90 be good? Kevin Eubanks, the guy from Jay Leno sound is very similiar to brian mays and their pickups look the same, like oversized single coils. does anyone know what pickups are good for brian mays tone or what pickups he uses?
 
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Check out tri-sonics, I'm not sure exactly who makes them. Burns makes Brian's signature Red Special, and they use tri-sonics, but I'm not positive that Burns actually makes the pickups. Other factors in his tone are the fact that his pickups are all wired in series (instead of parallel) and the phase switches. He plays through a treble booster, into Vox AC30's.
I've actually tried paying close attention to kevin eubank's guitar, and tried researching it on the net a while back, but couldn't find anything useful. I love his sound, but I'd imagine probably less than 3% of this message board has ever even heard it.
 
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Brian May's Red Special uses Burns Tri-Sonic pickups. Where-as the Burns Red Special uses korean made pickups (if I remember right). Kent Armstrong also make 2 variations of the Tri-Sonic pickups with A2 and A5 magnets for different sounds.

Craig
 
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www.plexipalace.com has a whole section telling you how to get brian may's tone...not that its easy but they tell you how.

They also stock and can sell you a set of the burns trisonic pickups which are apparently a must for brian may tone.
 
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I was listenning to the sound clips of Brian May a/b'ing his new Burns signature guitar against his actual Red Special.... and no joke, they sound almost identical, you would be able to tell the difference if you weren't told which was which.

It's amongst the cheapest signature guitars around too... so i would consider that.

Also, Vox have released a Brian May signature amp which is a replica of the 'Deacy' amp that May used for all the guitar harmonies on pretty much every album... the amp comes with a replica of the homemade 'Treble Booster' too. It's the size of a practice amp, it's maybe 15w, and it's really cheap... 'bout $100 i assume.

The cheapest way then to achieve his tone would be to buy a Red Special and the Vox amp....

Also, if you can get hold of a used POD, you can use the Vox models on that, which are very good. Put the Vox practice amp between your guitar and POD and you've nailed it.

On a side note... the pickups in his original guitar are Burns Trisonics. The signature guitar also contains burns trisonics but they are korean made... don't let this fool you, they are exceptionally good pickups. Seymour Duncan also created a Brian May signature pup... but production plans fell through, though it's still available via the custom shop. The same goes for Dimarzio... they made a model too that might be available through the custom shop. Guild also made a signature Brian May model, but production plans never went ahead, the guitar would have been very expensive, and the Burns is better anyway.

According to an interview, 80% of May's tones came from the Bridge and Middle pickups being wired in Series. I would best describe May's tone as a cool mixture between a Vintage Stack/Rails Middle and a Quarter Pounder Bridge. So if you want a versitile Strat, consider a QP bridge and VR middle, with some switch to get them in Series.
 
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i read on Eubanks site that his guitar has seymour duncans pickups, but he didnt know what model.....and that he used a Mesa amp, either heartbreaker or Blue Angel....with a RAT distortion pedal

just givin ya some info fellas....
 
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Hello Hello-
I've had the BM Vox amp for awhile and it's pretty good. If you want that sound in a small, compact package [cheap, too!] that's the way to go.
For real, onstage sound, though, a good treble booster through a Vox AC-30 is it!
I make germanium and silicon treble boosters and either one can sound great, but I give a slight edge to the germanium for warmth.
Brian.
 
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brianwenz said:
Hello Hello-
I've had the BM Vox amp for awhile and it's pretty good. If you want that sound in a small, compact package [cheap, too!] that's the way to go.
For real, onstage sound, though, a good treble booster through a Vox AC-30 is it!
I make germanium and silicon treble boosters and either one can sound great, but I give a slight edge to the germanium for warmth.
Brian.

If i don't want the may sound, is it still a good amp?
 
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Hello--
Is there any way you could try one out before you buy it?? It's kind of "voiced" in a certain way [and it's also not very clean sounding..]. It's pretty much of a "lead guitar" type amp.
Brian.
 
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I stumbled upon May's sound when I switched around some pickups on a Strat-- I placed an HS-3 in the neck, an old Jem series HS-2 in the middle and a Hot Rail in the bridge-- all parallel. The 2nd position is good, but the 4th position was practically identical. The thing is, that the Jem pickup tends to default to parallel no matter how I wire the lead, so in one configuration, it sounds like a wah pedal on full treble; and in another, more throaty, more "vintage"-- I chose the latter version.
 
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I can vouch for the Brian May signature guitar. It's a great deal, the one that his company is manufacturing. It goes for 799 but the online retailers often have 15% sales and I got mine for 6 something and no shipping of course. It comes with a nice bag but they don't tell you that. It's a Korean guitar but let me tell you it is well made and the sound is happening.
If you want his tone, buy that guitar, a vox amp, and a overdrive or treble booster of some sort. Also, a huge part of his tone is that he uses a sixpence. That alone will get you very close to his tone on just about any guitar.
The only thing about this guitar is the zero fret. I have yet to find anything good about it but I have found a lot to dislike. Nevertheless, the tone is there.
 
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The key is that you need to be able to put the pickups is series.

Not sure right now whether the original guitar had OOP capabilities.
 
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I have a set of the Dimarzio BHM pickups and they are a very odd duck! The problem is they are terribly microphonic and rather bright. They have a central magnet like a Charlie Christian pickup and the magnet needs to be glued to stop it from rattling and the coils also need to be potted, otherwise they are completely unusable. They tend to be a little dark potted, so I can see where a treble booster would be useful, although unpotted you can’t use any distortion or volume!

The neck is ok, middle is excellent and the bridge is crap. The middle is one of the better sounding single coils I have heard and it combines very well with other pickups. As for the pickups tone they aren't like strat pickups at all! They don’t have the strong attack of a strat pickup and they don’t have the dirt or sludge. They have a round clear tone when potted that sings fairly well under distortion. The neck is very interesting clean and almost sounds like a jazz box. I can't compare them to a Tri-sonic since I have never tried one.
 
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For the Mayster you Have to go trisonic pickups into Vox signature amp as both signature amp and guitar are pretty close to the mark.

An important point that seems to have been overlooked so far is that May played with a filed down 5 pence coin (one of the old ones) the closest you can get to this is in modern sterling a filed 10p coin but Dugain offer a silver plectrum that is said to be quite close to the classic May sound
 
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Warning: long-winded post! way to go for a first post, eh?

Indeed, the first pickups on the Red Special were home-made, but they didn't last long because, due to the magnet polarity, they would induce noise when bending a string, so BM bought a set of Burns Tri-Sonics, which he and his father modified extensively. This included doing a rw/rp job on one of them, and the jury's still out on which one - the BMG guitars come with the middle rw/rp but it is believed that the bridge rw/rp is more likely, for this setup gets closes to BM's main sounds (bridge+middle in phase and neck+middle out of phase), and makes them hum free. The neck and bridge (I think, can't remember exactly) were potted in araldite. They probably did some other things too to exacerbate the tonal difference between each pickup with regards to its position on the body.

As for stuff you can buy, the new BM signature Tri-Sonics are supposed to be pretty close - they grace the higher spec BMG Super. They're meant to be based on the custom pickups used in the Guyton replicas. However, many a Red Special enthusiast swears by Adesons (www.adeson.co.uk), which are aimed to be the closest replicas to the original 60s pickups, you can order them as a set with one rw/rp. The lower spec BMG guitar uses Tri-Sonics made by Kent Armstrong, which are a bit different.

Boosters: Rangemaster up to 1976, then a Cornish TB-83 until the mid-late 1990s. Now BM uses boosters made by Greg Fryer, who restored the RS and built the first accurate replicas, which exist in various incarnations to be bought - different gain levels and frequency emphasis etc. The booster is an integral part of the sound as it adds a bit of high end too, helping to tighten the potentially loose bass in a Class A amp like a Vox at high volume.

Replicas: aside from the two official ones, there are other makers such as RS Guitars (www.rsguitars.com) and RS Custom Guitars (www.rscustomguitars) who make high quality instruments. There used to be KZ (www.kzguitarworks.com/englishpages/e_top.html) whose work was highly regarded, but now he's working at BMG supervising the construction of the BMG Super, which is based on his KZ Junior.

Amps: the standard issue Vox AC-30 is the CC2X, made in China, which some see as objectionable on the account of quality, such as the Celestion Blue clones. No idea what the Heritage Handwired series are like, though they do sound good on the proguitarshop.com videos on YouTube, I quite like the sound of the AC-15. There's also JMI amps (www.jmiamplification.com), which are AC-30 clones made in the US and supposed to be good. I suppose other Class A designs by boutique makers and the like might fit the bill too. As for the Deacy amp, there's version in the works by Greg Fryer, who's spend a long time doing R & D for it.

All in all, I think it's a disservice to a RS styled guitar to use it only for Queen stuff, because its very versatile. So even the lower spec BMG guitar needn't be dismissed. From fat and warm to sharp and bright, it's there. You even have a standby mode ;).
 
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