Bridge Pickup for my Epi

EvilTwin

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Hello everyone. I am at a loss, unfortunately. People here seem to do a real thorough job of evaluation and recommendation, so here goes.
I have an Epiphone Les Paul Standard. I bought it quite a while ago based on price. This has a mahogany neck, mahogany/alder body and a carved maple top and a new bone nut.
Recently I was sold a Jazz/JB set because I told the tech I wanted "versatility" and like to use moderately high gain occaisionally.
The Jazz has turned the neck position from mud to beautiful. It has less bite in distortion than I'm used to at the neck, but who cares? The clarity is remarkable to me coming from a nearly unuseable stock pickup and a StewMac that was also muddy unless raised all the way up.
The JB, however is not really floating my boat at the moment. All I hear is a whiny, nasaly sound. I can hear the heritage in this pickup with lot's of distortion, but under low to medium gain, my friend's stock $199 epiphone with stock bridge pickup seems to have more bite while the JB just whines along sounding like a sinus infection or something.
I have a Fender (gasp) The Twin-100watt 2 channel Fender. It was suggested that maybe the amp was to blame, but hey, the Jazz sounds amazing through this amp. I tend to think the JB is not playing nice with my guitar or my amp or both.
My question, then is what now?
I want something that gives the balanced output at the bridge, but still has good full body to it.
It should be said that this is the second distortion type pickup that has sounded this way in this guitar. I had Kent Armstrong on the phone listening to the sound and saying it sounded like I wired his pickup out of phase. But I didn't and I didn't even wire this JB.
It should also be said that I kind of liked the stock epi bridge pickup aside from two problems:
1) sounded a little weak
2)anything over 1 on the volume knob and it squealed like a pig-soooeeeeee
The custom 5 looks really appealing to me. I'm looking to get a nice even sound that is at home with light overdrive all the way to distortion.
Will the custom 5 clash with the jazz? And if so, what other recommedations?
I am taking my time and shopping around when I can. the JB is useable, but only with the tone rolled almost all the way off.
I like lots of music. I like Megadeth, but I have always hated Dave Mustaine's tone(as it applies to my own playing-not his). I didn't know I bought his pickups until later.
Tones I like include Warren Haynes, Derek Trucks, Santana, Trey Anastasio, Adam Jones.
I like the attitude here. Tone is in your head and ears and everyone is different. That seems to be respected around here.
I hope this wasn't too long for my first post.
 
Re: Bridge Pickup for my Epi

I have a JB on my Schecter C-1 without any problem. When I turn the knob all way up, it gives me very nice distort sound..play thru a tiny Marshall 1W amp, the person at the next store could here:smokin:
Could be wiring problem you have..you might like to take it to another guitar repair place to have them take a look..rather buy another new pu and take it to the same guy to do the job:no:
 
Re: Bridge Pickup for my Epi

Welcome to the forum!

My first thought was a Custom, but I can see it might be a little hard and bright for some of the tones you're after, so maybe a Custom 5 would be better.

The great news with the Custom family is that whichever one you get, it's only a magnet swap away from becoming one of the others. (Alnico 5 = Custom 5, Alnico 2 = Custom Custom, Ceramic = Custom).

The other thing to consider is whether a vintage style pickup would work for you. You found the stock Epi pup weak, but in my experience both the '59 and Pearly Gates bridge models sound great in a Les Paul for most applications. Having said that, they're both pretty bright. The Alnico II Pro is less bright but also has slightly less output.

The more I think about it, the more I think your idea of a Custom 5 is a pretty good one! :)
 
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Thanks everyone.

My options are limited for different guys to wire my guitar. I'd do it myself, but the cavity is small and I keep frying all the wires. I've done it with some success, but this is my only "real" guitar to date and I need to rely on it.

I have considered taking it to a guy I met to have it looked at, but I'm pretty sure he's going to try to sell me gibson pickups (since he already did the last time). They are the biggest music store around me, but they are independent and do the work in-house.

The guy who did the work on my guitar has this same set in his own guitar and is part owner of the shop. I couldn't imagine he wired it wrong, but you really never know.

I'm still going to try it on a couple different amps if I can and perhaps have it looked at, but I'm keeping the C5 in mind. I wanted reinforcement that it would sound ok with the jazz in the neck.
Is it possible to have a guitar that's muddy or dark at the neck and bright at the bridge?
 
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Based on your statements, I interpret your JB as being outright defective and so, you really don't know what a JB can or cannot do. Also, based on your statements, I interpret the only tech you know as a mercenary, looking to make a buck and/or ram down your throat his personal choice(s). Further, just because he has a piece of a store, that does not automatically qualify him or any one else in such a position as a competent tech.

What part of the country do you live in? Maybe we can give you some recommendations as to a trusted tech who will get to the root of the problem for you. Who knows? You might even like the JB if it was working properly.

As to the C5, personally, I don't think it is as suitable to your stylings as would be the JB, a Custom or PG.
 
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Well, I have read lots of reviews by people having the same result as I am with the JB. But you're right on the money with the personal choice. I don't know if I'd call him a mercenary, but he did get defensive when I said I didn't like it. Actually, I don't think I would go back to him for guitar work. It's a shame, the guy that does my amp is in that shop and he's the opposite of that. Real laid back. He's and independent contractor, though.
As for the JB being defective, i don't know. it's loud and gives lots of distortion and the more I put on, the better it seems to like it. when I strum full chords or try single notes it sounds nasaly in the high strings still.
Martian, I am in Jersey as well and would love suggestions for places that are sincerely trying to help rather than make a buck.
Also, to the mercenary comment, they have a luthier school operating there. is it possible they are teaching bad information? that would be crap!
After all is said and done, i might just put the epi stock pickup back in. can you imagine?
What I don't think I need is a Ceramic magnet at the bridge, but I could be wrong, there, too.
 
Re: Bridge Pickup for my Epi

Welcome. It sounds to me like you'd like a C5 or CC.

Absolutely 100% in agreement. I'm speaking from experience too. My Epi LP Standard has a Jazz in the neck and a C5 in the bridge. It had a Custom Custom in it but I swapped the magnet for an Alnico 5 just to check out the C5. I like what I hear. Both the CC and C5 sound great in it. You won't be disappointed with either one.

I didn't like the JB in my Gibson LP Studio I had some 10 years ago. That was probably the worst guitar to put the JB in. It's better in Strats and Teles, but not Les Pauls, IMO. ;)
 
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FWIW, it doesn't sound to me like your JB is wired wrong or is defective. I had a JB in my Gibby LP and it sounded pretty much as you described. Hot, nasaly, and it wasn't letting enough of the guitar's natural tones to shine through. That's why I swapped it out for a Pearly Gates. ;)
 
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Evil Twin...I have the same guitar and actually have a thread on here somewhere. In that thread I also listed Warren Haynes, Derek Trucks, Santana as being tone influences. I started out with a Custom Custom (sh11) which sounded pretty good, but changed it out to a Pearly Gates...I'm very happy with it. It worked for me.
 
Re: Bridge Pickup for my Epi

Evil Twin...I have the same guitar and actually have a thread on here somewhere. In that thread I also listed Warren Haynes, Derek Trucks, Santana as being tone influences. I started out with a Custom Custom (sh11) which sounded pretty good, but changed it out to a Pearly Gates...I'm very happy with it. It worked for me.

There's a lot to be said for the PGb. It's slightly hotter than vintage, versatile, cuts through, but well balanced in a Les Paul. I love mine.
 
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If you don't like "nasal" sounding maybe not the CC. Also - Twin + PG? Sounds a bit harsh to me....

I was thinking A2P - fat & smooth.
 
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I have an EPI that had the same issues you mentioned with the stock pick ups so I installed a SH2 at the neck and a SH4 at the bridge,the SH4 has that extra edge and power I was looking for,as for the SH2 at the neck,It may be a bit on the bright side for my taste,but then again,thats why the EPI has tone control knobs for each pick-up.
 
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the CC is anything but nasally. It's thick, smooth, and singing, at high gain or low gain.
 
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If you like the Jazz in the neck, then a Custom 5 would probably be a really good match.

I'm not sure that your JB is defective. I can imagine that with the wrong amp and other factors, it will sound like that. A friend of mine has it in a jackson soloist through a messa boogie, as well as another jackson with a custom, and I don't have that problem with his gear. I don't like the tone, but it doesn't sound as bad as the sound you're describing.

The thing is, the JB and the Custom 5 are both bright pickups. The Jazz is EQed similarly to the Custom 5 though, so if you like the Jazz, I'd get the Custom 5. Then if you don't like it, send it back for a magnet swap.
 
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I don't know if anyone will come back looking to this post, but thanks everyone for the replies

theboatcandream: I'm not sure I mind a bright pickup. I have a strat copy that was my first guitar and that I still use with the twin. I like the brightness of the Jazz, but the neck of my epiphone has always been mud city. I don't mind using the tone control to find sounds. I love playing. I just don't like the honkin' sound of the JB. I've read it's an upper midrange thing. the more i resarch and read and listen, i think it's the midrange in general that gives a real '70's classic rock bite that i'm not quite looking for. i guess that's why i was asking about the C5 in the first place. i just don't know exactly how to express what i'm hearing in my head. i'm inexperienced in knowing how amps and pickups sound because i got lucky with cool cleans from my strat copy an my twin. the distortion channel is more overdrive and with the strat copy couldn't get all that aggressive, but i got nice sounds with it.
 
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