bridge plate and Base plates Magnetized?
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Re: bridge plate and Base plates Magnetized?
How is it Magnetized?
Why is it magnetized?
Here is Gold bridge plates:
http://www.fender.com/products/search.php?partno=0990807200
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product?sku=361323
How is it Magnetized?
Why is it magnetized?
Here is Gold bridge plates:
http://www.fender.com/products/search.php?partno=0990807200
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product?sku=361323
Re: bridge plate and Base plates Magnetized?
http://www.fralinpickups.com/bplate.asp
a thicker base plate offers the advantage of higher resistance to warping from ...
copper-plated steel base plate for that extra midrange punch...
a separate ground wire for the baseplate,
copper-plated steel Base-plate on the Bridge pickup.
http://www.fralinpickups.com/bplate.asp
a thicker base plate offers the advantage of higher resistance to warping from ...
copper-plated steel base plate for that extra midrange punch...
a separate ground wire for the baseplate,
copper-plated steel Base-plate on the Bridge pickup.
Al Heeley
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Re: bridge plate and Base plates Magnetized?
Morning Walters!
I just replaced the bridge plate on my MIM tele. It is not magnetised. The key factor involved in contributing to the sound or tonal quality is not the metal type, or the magnetism but how flat it is and how well screwed down to the guitar body it is.
Morning Walters!
I just replaced the bridge plate on my MIM tele. It is not magnetised. The key factor involved in contributing to the sound or tonal quality is not the metal type, or the magnetism but how flat it is and how well screwed down to the guitar body it is.
Al Heeley
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Re: bridge plate and Base plates Magnetized?
However, as is common with most metal objects, if my son tries out his big horseshoe magnet on it, it will become a little magnetised. And no, I don't imagine it will do anything to the tone at all.
I also just replaced the white plastic pickguard on my tele with a really cool looking chromed steel one (the body is black) and no, this is not magnetised either.walters said:
However, as is common with most metal objects, if my son tries out his big horseshoe magnet on it, it will become a little magnetised. And no, I don't imagine it will do anything to the tone at all.
Al Heeley
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Re: bridge plate and Base plates Magnetized?
The only way the tele bridge plate is magnetised is because it the bridge pup might have touched it when it was being installed. It would have some small residual magnetism only, from its proximity to the bridge pups magnetic field.
I don't think I can convince you that any small residual magnetism the plate may have will have no or negligible effect on the tone of the guitar. Hence the statement that a "gold plate gives more midrange and twang" is just a figment of the imagination.
The tone of my Tele did not change one bit, not a jot, when i installed the chromed steel pickguards. I did it cos it looks so cool.
The only way the tele bridge plate is magnetised is because it the bridge pup might have touched it when it was being installed. It would have some small residual magnetism only, from its proximity to the bridge pups magnetic field.
I don't think I can convince you that any small residual magnetism the plate may have will have no or negligible effect on the tone of the guitar. Hence the statement that a "gold plate gives more midrange and twang" is just a figment of the imagination.
The tone of my Tele did not change one bit, not a jot, when i installed the chromed steel pickguards. I did it cos it looks so cool.
Artie
Peaveyologist
Re: bridge plate and Base plates Magnetized?
Hey, this isn't a bad question from Walters. It never occured to me before that my Tele bridge was magnetic. ('til I just tested it) It stands to reason that it would slowly magnetize over time and have some impact on the sound of the bridge pup.
I wonder, to what degree, it does that, and if there's any benefit to using brass, titanium, or some other non-magnetic metal? Hmmm . . .
Good question Walters.
Artie
Hey, this isn't a bad question from Walters. It never occured to me before that my Tele bridge was magnetic. ('til I just tested it) It stands to reason that it would slowly magnetize over time and have some impact on the sound of the bridge pup.
I wonder, to what degree, it does that, and if there's any benefit to using brass, titanium, or some other non-magnetic metal? Hmmm . . .
Good question Walters.
Artie
dr.barlo
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Re: bridge plate and Base plates Magnetized?
Standard tele lead pickups have a vertical magnetic field, not horizontal. That's why the bridge would be only very slightly (which could be ignored I think) magnetized. But if you were to have a HB with a HB routed tele bridge, I think that that bridge would be magnetized, because the magnetic field of PAF kinda HBs is horizontal not vertical. Since magnetic field chooses the path with the least resistance, the bridge would (I think) be magnetized and that would change the tone since the magnetic field is altered.
I have experienced something similar with a metal mounting ring. The second I installed a chrome mounting ring, the tone became more raw. Even tho they look cool and all, I think they change the tone and I do not recommend them to my friends.
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Standard tele lead pickups have a vertical magnetic field, not horizontal. That's why the bridge would be only very slightly (which could be ignored I think) magnetized. But if you were to have a HB with a HB routed tele bridge, I think that that bridge would be magnetized, because the magnetic field of PAF kinda HBs is horizontal not vertical. Since magnetic field chooses the path with the least resistance, the bridge would (I think) be magnetized and that would change the tone since the magnetic field is altered.
I have experienced something similar with a metal mounting ring. The second I installed a chrome mounting ring, the tone became more raw. Even tho they look cool and all, I think they change the tone and I do not recommend them to my friends.
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Al Heeley
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Re: bridge plate and Base plates Magnetized?
In TDPRI: the Tele forum, there are a lot of posts about people swapping out the bridge plate and installing brass saddles. One interesting post said their tone got far better after taking off the plate then refixing it, firmer/tighter. Stands to reason that vibrations are then transmitted better through to the guitar body. Similar posts about hammering the plate totally flat before fixing it.
Brass saddles seem to make a difference, but then also no two identical guitars sound the same. this is important. Every one will have differences in wood, construction, grain density, etc. that will make their tonal response different. I believe this has far more effect than any contribution some weak residual magnetism of a bridge plate may have. Think how weak and dispersed any magnetic field will be compared to the focussed field of the pickup poles directly under the strings. I cannot see how this can make any difference to the tone. It's a physical transmission of vibrations thing, not a magnetic field thing.
In TDPRI: the Tele forum, there are a lot of posts about people swapping out the bridge plate and installing brass saddles. One interesting post said their tone got far better after taking off the plate then refixing it, firmer/tighter. Stands to reason that vibrations are then transmitted better through to the guitar body. Similar posts about hammering the plate totally flat before fixing it.
Brass saddles seem to make a difference, but then also no two identical guitars sound the same. this is important. Every one will have differences in wood, construction, grain density, etc. that will make their tonal response different. I believe this has far more effect than any contribution some weak residual magnetism of a bridge plate may have. Think how weak and dispersed any magnetic field will be compared to the focussed field of the pickup poles directly under the strings. I cannot see how this can make any difference to the tone. It's a physical transmission of vibrations thing, not a magnetic field thing.
dr.barlo
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Re: bridge plate and Base plates Magnetized?
But generally teles have steel bridges and they, therefore, can be magnetized. If you have a magnet lying around, using that you could check whether or not your tele bridge is out of steel. For example mine (ash tray vintage) is steel, and I have brass saddles.
B
But generally teles have steel bridges and they, therefore, can be magnetized. If you have a magnet lying around, using that you could check whether or not your tele bridge is out of steel. For example mine (ash tray vintage) is steel, and I have brass saddles.
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dr.barlo
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Re: bridge plate and Base plates Magnetized?
The magnet field, I think, might have a bigger impact than you realize. I am, of course, not comparing two different guitars. If you have the chance, get yourself a metal HB mounting ring. And check out the results in the very same guitar. I know I did and it really did change the overall nature of the tone. For worse!
The way it does change the tone is the following. Without any magnetic material around, the magnetic field covers the strings in the way it is supposed to. But if you were to use a metal mounting ring, or HB routed tele bridge, the metal around catches some of the magnetic field. I saw magnetic field graphs done by Steven Kersting to that regard. In his email he showed me those graphs he had done (he loves these magnetic field graphs!!!) without any comments.
The same principle works for the difference between slug pieces / screws design versus dual allen heads design. If I remember right Zhang did lotsa experimentation with the length of the screws on PAF kinda buckers. I've not done it, still, if I remember right, when shortening the screws, the magnetic field will be reflected more upwards (towards the strings), thus, mid become more snappy,...
Anyway, the following claim, thus, is simply NOT correct "It's a physical transmission of vibrations thing, not a magnetic field thing". It involves a combination of both.
Peace,
B
Al Heeley said:
The magnet field, I think, might have a bigger impact than you realize. I am, of course, not comparing two different guitars. If you have the chance, get yourself a metal HB mounting ring. And check out the results in the very same guitar. I know I did and it really did change the overall nature of the tone. For worse!
The way it does change the tone is the following. Without any magnetic material around, the magnetic field covers the strings in the way it is supposed to. But if you were to use a metal mounting ring, or HB routed tele bridge, the metal around catches some of the magnetic field. I saw magnetic field graphs done by Steven Kersting to that regard. In his email he showed me those graphs he had done (he loves these magnetic field graphs!!!) without any comments.
The same principle works for the difference between slug pieces / screws design versus dual allen heads design. If I remember right Zhang did lotsa experimentation with the length of the screws on PAF kinda buckers. I've not done it, still, if I remember right, when shortening the screws, the magnetic field will be reflected more upwards (towards the strings), thus, mid become more snappy,...
Anyway, the following claim, thus, is simply NOT correct "It's a physical transmission of vibrations thing, not a magnetic field thing". It involves a combination of both.
Peace,
B
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Al Heeley
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Re: bridge plate and Base plates Magnetized?
Thx for the info, interesting stuff. All I can report on is the tone from my Tele with the new bridge plate on and the new chromed steel pickguard. There was no difference in tone that i could report, only the bridge plate swap from a 6-saddle allen key mim bridge to a 3 saddle vintage type stopped an annoying buzzing when i struck a chord hard, from the top E saddle vibrating against its neighbour. I imagine a metal pickup surround might be a little closer to the pup to cause the necessary pertubations in the time-space continuum. If you swapped it out with Oakleys very rare Unobtanium alloy you may well be able to strike an H minor chord and travel back in time; just a theory at this stage, I need to do more research.
Thx for the info, interesting stuff. All I can report on is the tone from my Tele with the new bridge plate on and the new chromed steel pickguard. There was no difference in tone that i could report, only the bridge plate swap from a 6-saddle allen key mim bridge to a 3 saddle vintage type stopped an annoying buzzing when i struck a chord hard, from the top E saddle vibrating against its neighbour. I imagine a metal pickup surround might be a little closer to the pup to cause the necessary pertubations in the time-space continuum. If you swapped it out with Oakleys very rare Unobtanium alloy you may well be able to strike an H minor chord and travel back in time; just a theory at this stage, I need to do more research.
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Re: bridge plate and Base plates Magnetized?
There's some good info about the magnet thing here: http://www.glendaleguitars.com/Bridge.htm
There's some good info about the magnet thing here: http://www.glendaleguitars.com/Bridge.htm
