Brobucker selling rules?

[51501984]

Re: Brobucker selling rules?

Well I'm not selling it on eBay, but I can easily get more than $100 here.

But if Jeremy is saying it's a $100 cap, I don't want to break that. Does anybody know for sure?

Did you buy it from the Custom Shop for $160 and weren`t part of the forum group buy? If so you should be able to sell it for whatever you want.Someone correct me if I`m wrong.

 

[TattooedCarrot]

Re: Brobucker selling rules?

Well I think it would be in poor taste to buy it for $105 and then resell it for a profit in the same forum.

I don't think so at all. The market should set the price. They are $160 at SD, so for someone who doesn't want to wait and pay that much, they might pony up more than the original $105. I think it's crazy, its not like you're selling a gift someone gave you, you paid for it. It's yours, sell it for whatever someone wants to pay for it.

 

[Richard]

Re: Brobucker selling rules?

Well I think it would be in poor taste to buy it for $105 and then resell it for a profit in the same forum.

+1

Edit: And if someone at SD sees people making money on a favor they did for us, they might not do us anymore special pickup deals. Although i may be wrong.

 

[BigAlTheBird]

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I don't think so at all. The market should set the price. They are $160 at SD, so for someone who doesn't want to wait and pay that much, they might pony up more than the original $105. I think it's crazy, its not like you're selling a gift someone gave you, you paid for it. It's yours, sell it for whatever someone wants to pay for it.

I agree 100%, as long as there aren't rules strictly forbidding it.

This is an original run one, not a Custom Shop one. It's from Feb. 14th, 2006.

The market will absolutely support more than $105. It'll probably support up to around $130 or $140. There's so much demand for this pickup, especially original ones.

It would be stupid of me not to maximize profit. I bought it for $105, sure. I also bought an amp for $200, and just sold it last night for $1,000. Is that in poor taste? No! It's capitalism! It's economics at its finest.

If you don't want to pay more than $105, I'm not making you! But I bet there's someone who will want to pay more, because this pickup is worth more. It is that friggin good. And to Jerry, I might need to sell it because due to a technicality, the IRS just bilked me out of $1,000. So I need to recoup, as it were, my losses.

I'll keep you updated if I decide to sell, and for how much.

 

[jerryjg]

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I agree 100%, as long as there aren't rules strictly forbidding it.

This is an original run one, not a Custom Shop one. It's from Feb. 14th, 2006.

The market will absolutely support more than $105. It'll probably support up to around $130 or $140. There's so much demand for this pickup, especially original ones.

It would be stupid of me not to maximize profit. I bought it for $105, sure. I also bought an amp for $200, and just sold it last night for $1,000. Is that in poor taste? No! It's capitalism! It's economics at its finest.

If you don't want to pay more than $105, I'm not making you! But I bet there's someone who will want to pay more, because this pickup is worth more. It is that friggin good. And to Jerry, I might need to sell it because due to a technicality, the IRS just bilked me out of $1,000. So I need to recoup, as it were, my losses.

I'll keep you updated if I decide to sell, and for how much.

BOYCOTT BIGAL! turnin' a quick profit of a forum bro here on the trader post.. Still ,I guess survival is the first law of nature.

 

[BigAlTheBird]

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I'd turn a profit off a nun, or your mother, or Jesus, or anybody really.

Unless it's breaking rules.

 

[Luke Duke]

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I can't believe this is really a thread...

Selling it for exactly what you paid is not a bad deal. Flip it for the same money since it is an original run.

If it's not....then dispose of it how you wish.

Making a profit on the forum of the manufacturer that gave you a deal is pretty crass...and will help to make sure there are no more forum pups.

Luke

 

[BigAlTheBird]

Re: Brobucker selling rules?

I can't believe this is really a thread...

If I hadn't made this thread, and hashed out the rules, I would just list it right away. I think everyone would rather me be fair about it and ask before I sell rather than just sell away.

What you mean to say is "I can't believe someone is actually considering charging more." And that's a fair point. But the Custom Shop charges $160 now, so perhaps the old price point of $100 is a no-go. And furthermore, perhaps that special introductory price should only have been paid by the first adopters of the pickup. Maybe buying it now, 2 years later doesn't grant you the privilege of only paying $100 for such an awesome pickup. Maybe that awesome privilege should only be shared by the original buyers.

Do you really see this pickup selling for $105 in 50 years? I don't.

Selling it for exactly what you paid is not a bad deal.

It is, if I can make more money and still be within the rules. So far it seems I am within them.

Making a profit on the forum of the manufacturer that gave you a deal is pretty crass...and will help to make sure there are no more forum pups.

Well to be fair, I didn't buy this in the original run. Another dude did. I just bought it from him, about 2 weeks ago.

Whether or not you all think this is 'cool' of me is somewhat irrelevant. If I am actually breaking the rules then I simply won't do it. Because I know there were rules.

But losing money is stupid, and I won't do it if I can avoid it.

 

[JustWendell]

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Well I think it would be in poor taste to buy it for $105 and then resell it for a profit in the same forum.

Hate to say it but I have to agree with Ayrton. If the money cap goes away, what's to stop the used price from quite possibly matching the new price as 'having it now' is sometimes more important than 'having it new'? Then at that point everybody who got in on the first run is making/could make profit, albeit modest.

The more affordable stuff stays, the more people get to try it out, which I think was one of the better points of the forum run deals. At the very least, this would be a big slap in the face to all that have already sold one of their brobuckers/crazy 8's.

 

[kjrocks]

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I'm not sure why you're asking.It sounds like you have your mind made up.

 

[kjrocks]

Re: Brobucker selling rules?

At the very least, this would be a big slap in the face to all that have already sold one of their brobuckers/crazy 8's.

Agreed

 

[Ayrton]

Re: Brobucker selling rules?

Sorry bro, but I don't agree with you at all. If you had bought that pup at retail and wanted to sell it for whatever, then fine. However the person you bought it from sold it under the "forum agreement" price and for you to flip it for profit is just bad taste.

YMMV

 

[BigAlTheBird]

Re: Brobucker selling rules?

Hate to say it but I have to agree with Ayrton. If the money cap goes away, what's to stop the used price from quite possibly matching the new price as 'having it now' is sometimes more important than 'having it new'? Then at that point everybody who got in on the first run is making/could make profit, albeit modest.

The more affordable stuff stays, the more people get to try it out, which I think was one of the better points of the forum run deals. At the very least, this would be a big slap in the face to all that have already sold one of their brobuckers/crazy 8's.

I can't believe that many people would willingly sell an original run Brobucker. It's just too good. I don't want to sell mine, but I might have to. And about the money cap going away, that's the way all business works. There is a difference here, in that this was specially made for the forum. I understand that. But with all business, the used market detracts from retail, especially in the internet age. I've never bought a new pickup from Seymour Duncan, but I've bought about 20 used pickups. So they haven't gotten a dollar from me, which kinda sucks. But it's the reality.

And yeah, if I end up selling this for more it sucks for anyone who sold it for $100 or so. But maybe now's the time to change that precedent? Like I said, it's not going to stay at $100 for the rest of time. It's going to change at some point. When will it change? When the forum closes? When SD closes up shop? Who knows! Maybe it'll change right now.

It sucks for all the dudes who sold their 59 Les Pauls back in the 60's/70's. They're kicking their ass right now. But I'm not that type of person, and if I can legally (I say legally tongue in cheek) make more money, then why wouldn't I?

I'm not sure why you're asking.It sounds like you have your mind made up.

I've got my mind made up if it isn't breaking a rule. I want to be clear about that, and I think I am being clear. I wasn't here for the original rules, and so I wanted to clarify them to avoid really being a jerk.

 

[jerryjg]

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First rule of forum etiquette.--- When youre being called out by 90% of the bros, you are probabaly wrong.

 

[BigAlTheBird]

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Yeah I know Jerry. But I'm sticking with the 10% who agree with me!

 

[Luke Duke]

Re: Brobucker selling rules?

I can't believe that many people would willingly sell an original run Brobucker. It's just too good. I don't want to sell mine, but I might have to.

Did you actually install it in a guitar or did you buy it with flipping it in mind.

And about the money cap going away, that's the way all business works. There is a difference here, in that this was specially made for the forum. I understand that. But with all business, the used market detracts from retail, especially in the internet age. I've never bought a new pickup from Seymour Duncan, but I've bought about 20 used pickups. So they haven't gotten a dollar from me, which kinda sucks. But it's the reality.

You know you are absolutely right, screwing one another IS the way business works.....hell, gas iprices are proof.

In response to your comment to me about losing money....I'm not sure where you went to school man, but selling something for exactly what you paid isn't losing money.

And yeah, if I end up selling this for more it sucks for anyone who sold it for $100 or so. But maybe now's the time to change that precedent? Like I said, it's not going to stay at $100 for the rest of time. It's going to change at some point. When will it change? When the forum closes? When SD closes up shop? Who knows! Maybe it'll change right now.

Time to change why? Because you own it?

It sucks for all the dudes who sold their 59 Les Pauls back in the 60's/70's. They're kicking their ass right now. But I'm not that type of person, and if I can legally (I say legally tongue in cheek) make more money, then why wouldn't I?

The pup was made as a favor to the forumites here. Perhaps you should do some research and refresh your memory about the pup.

I've got my mind made up if it isn't breaking a rule. I want to be clear about that, and I think I am being clear. I wasn't here for the original rules, and so I wanted to clarify them to avoid really being a jerk.

Just a thought Al....you are literally sh!tting where you sleep.

Luke

 

[TattooedCarrot]

Re: Brobucker selling rules?

+1

Edit: And if someone at SD sees people making money on a favor they did for us, they might not do us anymore special pickup deals. Although i may be wrong.

Favor? It's called product marketing. You do know they now sell them to everyone, right? They didn't give any away did they? Everyone paid way more than a regular Duncan costs? First run went out at a discount off the custom shop list price, yes. But how that equates a prohibited resell is just nuts. You guys are nuts.

Jim Wagner of WCR pickups is a friend of mine. I went to him with the idea and desired specs for his Iron Man high output pickup. He ended up making it part of his product line and even gave me one for free since I came up with the idea. Now that pickup I would not sell because it was a gift. If I did sell it, I would kick back whatever I got for it to Jim, or donate the $$ to the smaller forum he and I are longtime members of. But I would not profit off that.

On the other hand, I have bought some of his other pickups like GoodWood and Crossroads and I have sold them on the forums without any guilt for whatever I could get for them, which was still less than Jim sells them for.

If anything, I think Duncan would be glad to see the Brobucker selling for more because that keeps the demand up and justifies their higher price. The Duncan guys are cool, no doubt, but at the end of the day they're a business and we're not only their customers, but part of their R&D with our ideas and product feedback, as well as a form of advertising for them. Look how many people view these forums and get all this info on Duncan products.

I could see a lower price for forum bros if the seller was so inclined, but no way is it bad taste to sell a purchased item for what the market will pay. Especially when he's not even the original owner.

As mentioned above already, the whole point of the no resell agreement was to keep people from buying a bunch and then flipping them on ebay like some unofficial dealer and to ensure that the forumites who wanted to play them got first shot at them. We've moved past that now IMO.

 

[BigAlTheBird]

Re: Brobucker selling rules?

No need to get grumpy Luke, I made this topic because I'm doing my research. I don't want to piss anyone off, which is exactly why I did this topic.

Did you actually install it in a guitar or did you buy it with flipping it in mind.

I installed it, and love it. I do not want to sell it, but like I said, the IRS is bending me over with their rules. So I'm out $1k. So I need to sell some stuff. This might be on the chopping block. Read any of my topics about my guitar, I'm in love with this pickup. And when I get money again, you bet your ass this'll be one of the first things I buy again. Most likely for $160 from the Custom Shop - it's that good.

You know you are absolutely right, screwing one another IS the way business works.....hell, gas iprices are proof.

Screwing eachother!? A) That's not business, and B) that's not what I'm doing. Who would it be screwing? I get a fair price, and somebody gets a fantastic pickup for whatever they're willing to pay. That's screwing someone!?

By the way, you're still paying for the gas. So as far as I'm concerned, if people still pay it, then that's good business for the oil companies. It's up to the public to tell them enough.

In response to your comment to me about losing money....I'm not sure where you went to school man, but selling something for exactly what you paid isn't losing money.

To be technical, I spent $105. If I sell for $105, then I lose the cost of shipping, plus paypal fees. If I sell for $110, I still might not break 100% even, and half of the board has a collective aneurysm. "He sold for $110!? That rat bastard!"

But I am losing money if I sell for $100 or $105 or whatever, because I can probably sell it for $130 or so. That's $25 I'm short-changing myself, which is 25%, which is a lot of money! And yes, that absolutely matters to me.

Time to change why? Because you own it?

I didn't say it was time to change. I said it will change eventually. Why not now? Because it will not stay at $100 forever. That's an arbitrary ceiling, and if it needs to stay there I'll abide for sure. But if not, why are we still sticking to it? That's losing money.

The pup was made as a favor to the forumites here. Perhaps you should do some research and refresh your memory about the pup.

Well this thread is my research! I searched for 'Brobucker' as well as a few other things, but I wasn't a member back then. So the details are all hearsay for me, until I hear definitively not to sell it. But nobody has told me that I'd be breaking the rules yet.

Just a thought Al....you are literally sh!tting where you sleep.

Luke

I don't understand that, but then again I'm not the smartest duck in the pond.

My whole goal is to not piss anyone off. That's why I made this thread. And if the dude who sold it to me wants, I'll even split my 'profit' with him, that would be fair. Because yeah, it kinda sucks that he sold it a few weeks ago and here I am turning it for more money. So I'll talk to him and see what he thinks.

Favor? It's called product marketing. You do know they now sell them to everyone, right? They didn't give any away did they? Everyone paid way more than a regular Duncan costs? First run went out at a discount off the custom shop list price, yes. But how that equates a prohibited resell is just nuts. You guys are nuts.

:thanks: :werd: :bigok:

 

[jerryjg]

Re: Brobucker selling rules?

Originally Posted by TattooedCarrot
Favor? It's called product marketing. You do know they now sell them to everyone, right? They didn't give any away did they? Everyone paid way more than a regular Duncan costs? First run went out at a discount off the custom shop list price, yes. But how that equates a prohibited resell is just nuts. You guys are nuts.QUOTE

iI aint about whats strictly prohibted. Anythings fair as long as someones willing to pay the price.
What remains intact is the bros (hence name "brobucker" ) unwritten code of conduct. If you violate it, youll onlly be" uncool".
Probabaly everyone will forget about it more sooner than later.The fact will remain; to most bros you did something uncool. If thats okay with you its okay with me.

 

[Ayrton]

Re: Brobucker selling rules?

Al, look at it like this...

Say you sell it for $130 knowing that most here don't agree, and you pick up $25 whole dollars. Do you really think that karma is not going to come back on you when you need help from your forum bros?

You do what you want, but personally I don't think the bad jo jo is worth $25.