Can a tweed deluxe handle a band practice?
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the guy who invented fire
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Re: Can a tweed deluxe handle a band practice?
you're right on the line for some bands...it all depends on the drummer and if he/she knows the meaning of rehearsal playing, it also depends on the speaker being used and it also depends on how much of a clean tone you want...
you're right on the line for some bands...it all depends on the drummer and if he/she knows the meaning of rehearsal playing, it also depends on the speaker being used and it also depends on how much of a clean tone you want...
fingerace
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Re: Can a tweed deluxe handle a band practice?
So it's right at the limits that you just can't generally tell, without knowing specific things about the band...
Alright, the drummer is very co-operative. He doesn't try to be on top of everyone and in his own world. He plays in the national orchestra for teenagers so he can really control his volume (as much as possible).
Thanks for the info tgwif...
So it's right at the limits that you just can't generally tell, without knowing specific things about the band...
Alright, the drummer is very co-operative. He doesn't try to be on top of everyone and in his own world. He plays in the national orchestra for teenagers so he can really control his volume (as much as possible).
Thanks for the info tgwif...
the guy who invented fire
Fuzzy. Guitars
Re: Can a tweed deluxe handle a band practice?
It's all up to you...I wouldn't try and rehearse or gig with a tweed Deluxe alone...now a pair of them or even one with an extension cab would be completely different...adding 1 more speaker to the mix can make a world of difference and sometimes even make or break the rig! Also, it does depend on what kind of speaker you have in the Deluxew in question...if you have more questions or need help feel free to drop me a PM and we'll get it all set up!
It's all up to you...I wouldn't try and rehearse or gig with a tweed Deluxe alone...now a pair of them or even one with an extension cab would be completely different...adding 1 more speaker to the mix can make a world of difference and sometimes even make or break the rig! Also, it does depend on what kind of speaker you have in the Deluxew in question...if you have more questions or need help feel free to drop me a PM and we'll get it all set up!
louthunder
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Re: Can a tweed deluxe handle a band practice?
In a word yes. I gig with my Tweed Dlx clone. You can play anywhere with them. Practice in a garage or gig the Houston Astrodome. Place a good mike in front of it, and it sounds Huge and Fat ! Good luck!
In a word yes. I gig with my Tweed Dlx clone. You can play anywhere with them. Practice in a garage or gig the Houston Astrodome. Place a good mike in front of it, and it sounds Huge and Fat ! Good luck!
Hot _Grits
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Re: Can a tweed deluxe handle a band practice?
I soundchecked with a victoria tweed deluxe last year, and my impression was it didn't have the spread, headroom or volume to gig. However I play in a very loud 12 piece band with a deaf keyboardist and a full horn section. So, if you play small venues in a band that isn't too volume hungry you may be able to get away with it. Also, micing and getting a monitor mix will be vital. I play a decent amount of festivals, so I don't often have the luxury of a soundcheck, so I went with the Victoria Double Deluxe, which is identical to a tweed deluxe but puts out 30 or 40 watts into 2 12s. That way I know I can hear myself if the monitor mix is screwed and I can't communicate with the soundguy/monitor tech.
I soundchecked with a victoria tweed deluxe last year, and my impression was it didn't have the spread, headroom or volume to gig. However I play in a very loud 12 piece band with a deaf keyboardist and a full horn section. So, if you play small venues in a band that isn't too volume hungry you may be able to get away with it. Also, micing and getting a monitor mix will be vital. I play a decent amount of festivals, so I don't often have the luxury of a soundcheck, so I went with the Victoria Double Deluxe, which is identical to a tweed deluxe but puts out 30 or 40 watts into 2 12s. That way I know I can hear myself if the monitor mix is screwed and I can't communicate with the soundguy/monitor tech.
Re: Can a tweed deluxe handle a band practice?
i have no problem with getting over the drummer with my tweed dlx. if they mic the drums then i mic the amp, if not then i dont.
speaker makes a huge difference. a celestion blue is the perfect speaker for that amp but really expensive. a celestion g12h-30 is another great option. i use a red fang and i love it and wont switch it, but it does limit your power tube selection. you cant use jj 6v6's since they wil hit the magnet cover which isnt removable, but its plenty loud for a 12w amp
i have no problem with getting over the drummer with my tweed dlx. if they mic the drums then i mic the amp, if not then i dont.
speaker makes a huge difference. a celestion blue is the perfect speaker for that amp but really expensive. a celestion g12h-30 is another great option. i use a red fang and i love it and wont switch it, but it does limit your power tube selection. you cant use jj 6v6's since they wil hit the magnet cover which isnt removable, but its plenty loud for a 12w amp
SirJackdeFuzz
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Re: Can a tweed deluxe handle a band practice?
I believe it can be done, as i use my Blues Jr (15Watter), un mic'ed with a (girl) drummer all the time (rehearsals - no gigs yet) !
I am getting a 2x12 made for the BJr. though !
So , i think it can be done un mic'ed !
I believe it can be done, as i use my Blues Jr (15Watter), un mic'ed with a (girl) drummer all the time (rehearsals - no gigs yet) !
I am getting a 2x12 made for the BJr. though !
So , i think it can be done un mic'ed !
SirJackdeFuzz
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Re: Can a tweed deluxe handle a band practice?
Hey, i just noticed i said a, sig-worthy, thing !
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Hey, i just noticed i said a, sig-worthy, thing !
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fingerace
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Re: Can a tweed deluxe handle a band practice?
Curly, Yes, we practice more on vocals and overal feel of the song rather than guitar or bass parts.
I believe the reason for that is that the two vocalists are women and they can handle the males, ie: drummer, bass player, lead guitar and rhythm guitar player. We just do whatever they want :laugh2:
Sir Jack, I remember that I laughed very hard at that joke, and it made my day.
btw let us know how your gig is going to go and what was your stage rig (I noticed your thread)
Curly, Yes, we practice more on vocals and overal feel of the song rather than guitar or bass parts.
I believe the reason for that is that the two vocalists are women and they can handle the males, ie: drummer, bass player, lead guitar and rhythm guitar player. We just do whatever they want :laugh2:
Sir Jack, I remember that I laughed very hard at that joke, and it made my day.
btw let us know how your gig is going to go and what was your stage rig (I noticed your thread)
Re: Can a tweed deluxe handle a band practice?
The Jensen Neo 12 will put out as much volume as you can reasonably expect to get from a tweed Deluxe, and it will do it with an American Jensen tonality. I tried one with my '54 Fender Deluxe and it sounded excellent. I just put a Neo 10 in my '59 tweed Gibson Explorer (like a tweed Vibrolux or brown Princeton), and it dramatically increased overall volume and headroom. As others have said, it depends on the band situation, but it is possible.
The Jensen Neo 12 will put out as much volume as you can reasonably expect to get from a tweed Deluxe, and it will do it with an American Jensen tonality. I tried one with my '54 Fender Deluxe and it sounded excellent. I just put a Neo 10 in my '59 tweed Gibson Explorer (like a tweed Vibrolux or brown Princeton), and it dramatically increased overall volume and headroom. As others have said, it depends on the band situation, but it is possible.
Re: Can a tweed deluxe handle a band practice?
the jensen neo 12-100 has a sensitivity of around 99 db, the celestion g12h is 100 db, the eminence red fang is 103 db, the celestion g12 century is 102 db. something around 100 will really help with the volume.
i like the g12h-30 or the red fang due to the fact they are only 30w speakers vs 100w so they have to give a little more.
typically the 5e3 design uses a 5y3 recto tube and in mine (thank you mr fitzpatrick!!) it translated to 325v on the plates. putting a 5v4 recto tube in there raised the voltage to about 365v which gave me a little broader frequency responce, a little more clean headroom, and a little more volume. another great tone for sure but not the same as with a 5y3. both great but different
the jensen neo 12-100 has a sensitivity of around 99 db, the celestion g12h is 100 db, the eminence red fang is 103 db, the celestion g12 century is 102 db. something around 100 will really help with the volume.
i like the g12h-30 or the red fang due to the fact they are only 30w speakers vs 100w so they have to give a little more.
typically the 5e3 design uses a 5y3 recto tube and in mine (thank you mr fitzpatrick!!) it translated to 325v on the plates. putting a 5v4 recto tube in there raised the voltage to about 365v which gave me a little broader frequency responce, a little more clean headroom, and a little more volume. another great tone for sure but not the same as with a 5y3. both great but different
Re: Can a tweed deluxe handle a band practice?
I wouldn't put too much stock in comparing dB sensitivity ratings across different speaker manufacturers, any more than I would for DC resistance ratings on pickups. The Jensen Neo's sound louder than some speakers that have higher sensitivity specs on paper. What's amazing is that the Neo 12 and Neo 10 have the same rating, which is seldom true for 12" vs. 10" speakers.
I wouldn't put too much stock in comparing dB sensitivity ratings across different speaker manufacturers, any more than I would for DC resistance ratings on pickups. The Jensen Neo's sound louder than some speakers that have higher sensitivity specs on paper. What's amazing is that the Neo 12 and Neo 10 have the same rating, which is seldom true for 12" vs. 10" speakers.
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Lewguitar
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Re: Can a tweed deluxe handle a band practice?
My tweed Deluxes sound like they're about 18 watts each. In all honesty, for loud clean tones one is not enough...at least not with a loud drummer and bassplayer.
However, my Deluxe Reverbs are about 22 watts and one is fine for rehearsal or even some gigs...even with a loud drummer and bass player.
If you want a big sound though, 30 watts or more would be better...
Lew
My tweed Deluxes sound like they're about 18 watts each. In all honesty, for loud clean tones one is not enough...at least not with a loud drummer and bassplayer.
However, my Deluxe Reverbs are about 22 watts and one is fine for rehearsal or even some gigs...even with a loud drummer and bass player.
If you want a big sound though, 30 watts or more would be better...
Lew
fingerace
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Re: Can a tweed deluxe handle a band practice?
jeremy and Kelsey, what do you mean by sensitivity and efficiency? The more the power handling of a speaker, the more the efficiency???
I don't really need speaker distortion, I d rather get the overdrive from the amp only. Although even the g12h (from the ones mentioned) is 30 watts and I suppose it won't clip.
Lewguitar, thanks, I know that it won't do clean at band levels. In the future I ll get another small amp (eg 15 watts) and use them both together for clean...
jeremy and Kelsey, what do you mean by sensitivity and efficiency? The more the power handling of a speaker, the more the efficiency???
I don't really need speaker distortion, I d rather get the overdrive from the amp only. Although even the g12h (from the ones mentioned) is 30 watts and I suppose it won't clip.
Lewguitar, thanks, I know that it won't do clean at band levels. In the future I ll get another small amp (eg 15 watts) and use them both together for clean...
