Can an Epi Les Paul Sound Like a Gibson?

Re: Can an Epi Les Paul Sound Like a Gibson?

There are some things that arent subjective however. Does the guitar "buzz". Are the frets level? Can it be intonated? How long will the switches and jack holdup? Are the tuners precise?
 
Re: Can an Epi Les Paul Sound Like a Gibson?

There are some things that arent subjective however. Does the guitar "buzz". Are the frets level? Can it be intonated? How long will the switches and jack holdup? Are the tuners precise?

Very true. And on some guitars, by the time you would spend the money to correct all of those issues it would be more cost effective to buy the higher end guitar where those same things aren't issues out of the box. Then you can spend your aftermarket or "upgrade" money tweaking the tone you're chasing.
 
Re: Can an Epi Les Paul Sound Like a Gibson?

An Epi will always be a poor Gibson copy my friend.

That's not true, ya silly goose. Some of the higher end Epiphones are better then Gibson's current higher end offerings.
 
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I love Epis, awesome bang for the buck. I wouldnt go that far tho
 
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I have never played a "Higher End" Gibson
But I have played the "Higher End " Epiphone

And the do play well and sound good
Does the $799 Epi play and sound better than the $899 Gibson Custom Studio that I do own?
I don't think so
It may be in my head but the Gibson just has a feel to it the Epiphone didn't
I'd say they were almost even , very close
 
Re: Can an Epi Les Paul Sound Like a Gibson?

I have a 2012 Epi ES339 Pro that I wouldn't trade for any other semi hollow body that I've played. I made the deal of the year personally when I traded a 25 year old Shure SM 57 and same age Furman rack mount power supply in an even swap from a reputable luthier. He was hesitant to get rid of it and it took some haggling before he agreed. The Epi has had a professional headstock repair but is otherwise stock. It has grover tuners and Alnico Classic II Pro humbuckers with coil splitting. I can't find a fault one to b-tch about. Plays great, sounds great, stays in tune regardless of hard you go at it...checks all the boxes for me. I honestly wasn't expecting much but when it arrived it blew me away. I like the pickups so much that I picked up another set just to try in a Michael Kelly T52 Tele that I have. Totally changed my opinion on Epiphone. I had less than stellar experiences with them in the '90's and early 2000's. They definitely appear to be upping their game. I quit looking at Gibsons after spending a month and a half about 5 years ago trying to buy a Les Paul that had the same quality as it did price tag. Gave up and bought 2 Esp/LTD EC400AT'S for a fraction of the cost and never looked back. My Epi ES339 Pro:
 

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Re: Can an Epi Les Paul Sound Like a Gibson?

I have played some excellent sounding Epi's. Can it sound as good as a Gibson? In many cases yes, even better in some cases. Epiphones have gotten better for certain, I just hate the necks on most them, as I can't jive with really thin necks anymore; Now Can it sound as good as a Custom shop Gibson? From what I have experienced recently, 99.99% of the time I would say no but, I do realize that tone is subjective.
 
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I'm a firm believer that the amp and pedals make 10 times more difference than the volume itself. A Marshall JCM800 through a full stack will sound like a JCM800 through a full stack regardless of the guitar.

And with rising quality of foreign made guitars the gap in quality between Gibson and Epiphone is decreasing. My #2 Les Paul is a stock 2014 Epiphone Joe Bonamassa, with my #1 being almost identical in specs. The only signifigant difference is that the Gibby is 14 pounds and the Epi is 11.

In short, with the excellent quality pickups you have, no one will be able tell it's not a Gibson.
Your Gibson is really 14 pounds?!?!?
 
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Yes, indeed, with mods. With the same electronics and same hardware, they'll generally sound the same.

Speaking of Epi vs. Gibson, FWIW, Gibsons need work to sound and play decently too. I haven't seen a new standard-production-line Gibson since the '90's that didn't need a new nut (or at least some improvements/mods to the stock one) and a fret dressing right off the bat. I am indeed picky about those two things, but even so, it seems to me that they just stopped fine tuning that stuff in the factory at some point around there. IME, Epis today often have better fret work than Gibsons do; at the very least, the frets are usually more crowned on Epis.

The Gibson hardware wins no prizes either, nor do the electronics, though they are often acceptable (and Epis are definitely worse on both counts).

Gibsons have nicer finishes based on materials alone, though it's not uncommon to see an Epi with nicer finish work than a Gibson. I've seen a ton of Epis with flawless, perfectly smooth finishes that aren't too thick, with nice burst transitions; and I've seen plenty of Gibsons with thick lacquer, orange peel, finish flaws, and godawfully transitioned bursts.

Gibsons often have sloppily routed cavities, with tons of router flash that someone was too lazy/rushed to clean up. Not sure I've ever seen that on an Epi, though mine have mostly been archtops, so it's hard for me to say.

As for body materials, Gibson uses more expensive/nicer wood...though even that isn't what it used to be as recently as 15 years ago. They've opted to and/or been forced to use less traditionally used Gibson woods in recent years.

My point is that if you will be extensively modding the guitar, regardless of what brand it is, there won't be a lot of tonal difference in the end. If you will be playing them closer to stock, the Gibson will be superior most of the time (and could be considered perfectly acceptable by many people after only a fret dressing and probably a nice nut).

I basically prefer Gibsons only for the theoretically nicer finishes (I highly prefer more traditional finish materials that break in more "elegantly"), theoretically nicer woods, and the "proper" headstocks. This preference is held knowing that said finish might not be that well executed, and that the wood differences probably don't really matter anyhow – so I'm gonna find good ones and bad ones out there. The main things for me are the finish and the headstock shape (yes, looks are important to me). That's why I prefer Gibsons over Epis as project guitars. Even with a crappy Gibson that's a project guitar, I can at least strip the finish easily to repaint, and will always have the nice looking head, unlike an Epi.

Bottom line, while I do indeed prefer Gibsons to Epis, especially for purposes of customization, I hold no views that with the same amount of TLC, setup, and quality aftermarket components, Epis are fundamentally inferior to Gibsons in the areas that actually matter to making music: tone and feel.
 
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FWIW, I think we guitarists are way too quick to start changing electronic parts and way too slow to try turning the knobs on the amp instead of assuming they should be set in a particular way (myself included.) If the guitar is properly set up and and plays well, it may not require anything beyond a few EQ adjustments.


Turning knobs gets you just so far. There are many easy, quick and cheap mods that we do here that improve the sound of our guitars. If you don't know about them, or haven't done them yourself, stick around and learn. There's some sharp people on this forum.
 
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Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have never played anything that heavy.

Only my Music Man B00 bass is about that. Most of my guitars are about 8, and my basses about 9. I have a Custom Shop Esquire that's something crazy like 6.5 or 6.75 lb. It's pretty amazing to have a guitar of that size weigh that little.

I thought my '83 LP was around there for years, until I finally weighed it. I think it's actually just under 11 or just under 12 (can't remember exactly). There's something about the weight distribution on a LP (thick chunk of weight packed into a relatively small body) that makes it seem weightier than it is.
 
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That's not true, ya silly goose. Some of the higher end Epiphones are better then Gibson's current higher end offerings.

The MIJ ones (if they are still made – I'm not sure) are indeed superior to Gibsons in terms of craftsmanship. They are pretty much dead perfect, and they even have the Gibson headstock shape. They just need nice electronics installed, and nicer tuners too IMO. And you need to accept that they won't age like a lacquer finish will.

They are JDM guitars, though. They need to be imported, and are not considered to be direct competitors to the Epis and Gibsons that are available on the U.S.A. market. So direct comparisons don't make a lot of sense. Therefore, I can't agree that Epi's higher end offerings outdo Gibson's higher end offerings (i.e. Custom, Art, and Historic guitars).
 
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plugged in, you can make all kinds of great sounds depending on your pickups, pedals, amp, speakers etc.
A nice fret dress and setup can make nearly any guitar play great.
Play your guitars unplugged and you'll hear a much bigger difference between the resonance and natural abilities of any guitar. Some guitars simply sound better than others in this respect. Blindfolded, the name on the head stock wont make a difference, it will purely come down to whether or not it is a nice resonant, responsive instrument.
 
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My Gibson was fine. The frets are perfect, the nut took 3 minutes to open a shade in the back of the slots, thanks to the tips from guys on here. Love the neck, no buzz, lower action, intonation was fine too. Guess I got lucky and I guess all the people that buy them and give 5 star reviews just got lucky too. BTW, the vast majority do, and most are from people that have been playing decades. Imagine that
 
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