Can the right pickups get Les Paul tones from any guitar?

Re: Can the right pickups get Les Paul tones from any guitar?

I think there is no true LP tone, just a ballpark. The important factors will be scale length, bridge type and a roll of the dice that you will get a guitar with mahogany that is warm and close to what you're after.

I've only ever owned one Gibson Les Paul that had, what I would call, true Les Paul tone. It was a beautiful looking, sounding and playing guitar. I've played many that came close and some that were either a bit off or way off.

I've played with humbuckers in longer scale length guitars that have cool sounds and a chunkier tone than using single coils would have, but not quite the same tone and feel the 24.75" scale offers when combined with certain humbuckers.

As far as the set neck versus bolt-on thing goes. In my experience I find both can have tons and tons of sustain. If the bolt on neck is making the right contact with the body (assuming you have good pieces of wood) and fit snugly in the pocket it can sustain a lot. However, I have noticed different tonal characteristics of set necks versus bolt-ons. I find the set neck can sometimes have a bit warmer tone and feel to it. Bolt-ons, at least in my experience, have a little bit more of a... I almost want to call it brightness but it's something a bit different than subtle brightness. However, the tone can still be fat. I think the type of wood the neck is made out of has more of an impact on the tone of a bolt-on whereas a set neck strikes more of a balance between the body and the neck. At the end of the day though, either type can be pretty impressive and end up making a great guitar. Just check out this bolt-on LP demo:

 
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Re: Can the right pickups get Les Paul tones from any guitar?

A couple days ago, I read some article or blog or whatever, by some one who supposedly analyzed where electric guitar tones come from and concluded it's 90% pickups and 10% everything else

dont believe everything you read on the internet.
 
Re: Can the right pickups get Les Paul tones from any guitar?

A couple days ago, I read some article or blog or whatever, by some one who supposedly analyzed where electric guitar tones come from and concluded it's 90% pickups and 10% everything else -- strings, pick, attack technique, guitar shape, woods, tuners, bridge, etc. So the conclusion was that the choice of pickups matters a lot more than the guitar.

Was the author's name Tonewoods?
 
Re: Can the right pickups get Les Paul tones from any guitar?

That person is wrong. It's 90% amps, effects, and the way people play, 10% pickups.
 
Re: Can the right pickups get Les Paul tones from any guitar?

+1. 90% PU's is crazy. Amp/tubes/speakers are a big part of the equation.

Maybe they meant the sound produced from the guitar being fed to the rest of the chain, rather than the overall thing. 90% would still seem a tad high mind.
 
Re: Can the right pickups get Les Paul tones from any guitar?

I just changed saddles on a HH Tele (Gotoh style fixed bridge) recently. The rest stay the same including the amp and its setting. It sounds like very different guitar. From thin and trebly to thicker and rounder. I noticed that the replacement saddles are heavier than the stock. What I'm saying is don't bother with percentage thingy. Do any necessary adjustment until you find something that close enough to your expectation. You can start with pickups. And I'd suggest PATB-3 both in the bridge and neck. It won't sound like LP but it might work for you.
 
Re: Can the right pickups get Les Paul tones from any guitar?

I like the sound of an LP. I prefer the look and weight of an SG. With identical electronics, the same scale, same hardware, they do not sound the same. While there is not one LP sound, pickups will not make an SG sound like an LP. However, while I can't do this on a strat, a tele bridge pickup, using the tone knob can pull off a reasonable relation of the sounds I associate with LPs, even more so than I can with SGs.
 
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A couple days ago, I read some article or blog or whatever, by some one who supposedly analyzed where electric guitar tones come from and concluded it's 90% pickups and 10% everything else -- strings, pick, attack technique, guitar shape, woods, tuners, bridge, etc. So the conclusion was that the choice of pickups matters a lot more than the guitar.

I had been looking for a Les Paul replica, preferably vintage Japanese set neck, and had been planning to swap out the pickups with Seth Lovers, but those replicas are kind of pricey and hard to find. I have a vintage Japanese Telecaster-shaped guitar with double humbuckers that I don't play much -- love the neck, not so crazy about the pickups. I think the body is basswood. Now I'm wondering if I popped Seth Lovers in there, would I get 90% of the same tone I'd get if I popped them in a Les Paul. So this faux-Telecaster could become my faux-Les Paul?

Ken

No.....
 
Re: Can the right pickups get Les Paul tones from any guitar?

A couple days ago, I read some article or blog or whatever, by some one who supposedly analyzed where electric guitar tones come from and concluded it's 90% pickups and 10% everything else -- strings, pick, attack technique, guitar shape, woods, tuners, bridge, etc. So the conclusion was that the choice of pickups matters a lot more than the guitar.

Such a determination isn't even physically possible. In order to test such a thing, you'd have to test the system with the guitar, then without the guitar, in order to divine the difference. You can't test a pickup without strings. And I don't believe the contribution of technique is even quantifiable.

I had been looking for a Les Paul replica, preferably vintage Japanese set neck, and had been planning to swap out the pickups with Seth Lovers, but those replicas are kind of pricey and hard to find. I have a vintage Japanese Telecaster-shaped guitar with double humbuckers that I don't play much -- love the neck, not so crazy about the pickups. I think the body is basswood. Now I'm wondering if I popped Seth Lovers in there, would I get 90% of the same tone I'd get if I popped them in a Les Paul. So this faux-Telecaster could become my faux-Les Paul?

I have two solid Les Pauls and three FMT HH Teles, so I have experience with this issue. The Les Pauls sound broader in tone, sustain longer, and sound somewhat scooped. The Teles, which have thinner bodies overall, and a different overall shape and scale length, sound the opposite. It's funny how often you hear people say the shape of the electric guitar doesn't matter, as if resonance isn't a thing that matters in a musical instrument. Having said that, I think you should give it a try and see for yourself. It's the only way you'll ever truly know the answer to your question.
 
Re: Can the right pickups get Les Paul tones from any guitar?

No but careful gain matching and equalisation might. Jump to 08:45.

 
Re: Can the right pickups get Les Paul tones from any guitar?

^ Yep, if you have a spare $20K then......well I guess you could have bought a LP for that.
 
Re: Can the right pickups get Les Paul tones from any guitar?

All of Presence was a strat? Dang. I knew about the Tele on LZ I and the Dano.

I'm not sure about all, but a lot definitely was a strat. Candy Store Rock, Hots On For Nowhere, and For Your Life are definitely played on a strat, and at least parts of Achilles Last Stand are done on a strat. But Achilles Last Stand probably has Jimmy's full arsenal of guitars used. That track is just so complex.
 
Re: Can the right pickups get Les Paul tones from any guitar?

I like the sound of an LP. I prefer the look and weight of an SG. With identical electronics, the same scale, same hardware, they do not sound the same. While there is not one LP sound, pickups will not make an SG sound like an LP.


+1. SG's have a lot of mids, but not as much low end and sustain.
 
Re: Can the right pickups get Les Paul tones from any guitar?

I'm not sure about all, but a lot definitely was a strat. Candy Store Rock, Hots On For Nowhere, and For Your Life are definitely played on a strat, and at least parts of Achilles Last Stand are done on a strat. But Achilles Last Stand probably has Jimmy's full arsenal of guitars used. That track is just so complex.

One of my favorite Zeppelin tunes, Achilles Last Stand.
 
Re: Can the right pickups get Les Paul tones from any guitar?

+1. SG's have a lot of mids, but not as much low end and sustain.

To me, that was the most telling part that wood matters because I had a heavy LP sounding awesome and killing my back. I swapped all electronics, put it in, swapped bridge and tailpiece, set the action the same, and they didn't sound the same. I sure wanted them to sound the same.
 
Re: Can the right pickups get Les Paul tones from any guitar?

Les Paul tone? In any guitar? 90% is the pickups? Yeah, I don't think so chief.



 
Re: Can the right pickups get Les Paul tones from any guitar?

To me, that was the most telling part that wood matters because I had a heavy LP sounding awesome and killing my back. I swapped all electronics, put it in, swapped bridge and tailpiece, set the action the same, and they didn't sound the same. I sure wanted them to sound the same.

The "tone wood" debate is separate from the "guitar shape" debate, if you will. A person can acknowledge that one makes a difference while believing the other doesn't.
 
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