Cant find the right wiring diagram for series split parallel

[andybowers]

I've Been looking this morning but only found 2 mini toggle diagrams

I need:

wire lil tele 59 bridge + alnico pro 2 humbucker

In telecaster.

1 volume, 1 tone, 3 way switch standard

but split the humbuckers for series split parallel with just 1 mini toggle dpdt

google is not my friend this morning kept on bringing up push/pull pot which there is no room for without routing.


Please Help
Thanks

 

[DrNewcenstein]

Re: Cant find the right wiring diagram for series split parallel

Yeah, you need both sides of the switch (5 of the 6 prongs) to do series/split/parallel for just one pickup, so one switch won't cut it for both pickups.

Or you can get a TripleShot ring for the AP2 and a DPDT for the other.


Alternatively, you can, as Hermetico said, use the one switch to select splits for both pickups, but that's about it.


Basically to do what you're asking, you'd need to find a way to get all 4 wires of each pickup to the same switch without both pickups being on all the time.

You can wire both directly to the switch, but I'm pretty sure that would mean both pickups are on all the time and you would not have need of or use for the 3-way.

 

[Zerberus]

Re: Cant find the right wiring diagram for series split parallel

....

but split the humbuckers for series split parallel with just 1 mini toggle dpdt....

Impossible to do with a single DPDT switch and have the functionality you want. At least not without compromising other controls such as the 3 way toggle for pickup switching.

Possible solutions: 2 DPDT switches, or a single QPDT (Quad pole dual throw) switch. Or rout out a bit to make space for 2 push-pull or push-push pots, but then you`ll lose one mode compared to a DPDT switch. Push-pull pots are usually DPST, dual pole single throw, 3 position push-pulls are rare at best

*edit* Newc mentioned the possiboility of using a TS ring for the humbucker and a minitoggle for the lil 59, and this would probably actually be the sleekest and easiest solution to implement while offering maximum versatility.

 

[DrNewcenstein]

Re: Cant find the right wiring diagram for series split parallel

I can't imagine having to route for a push/pull. They're no wider than a standard pot, and unless the Thinlines are thinner than an SG, it just doesn't seem likely.

 

[Zerberus]

Re: Cant find the right wiring diagram for series split parallel

I can't imagine having to route for a push/pull. They're no wider than a standard pot, and unless the Thinlines are thinner than an SG, it just doesn't seem likely.

not wider, but a good half inch deeper becasue of the piggybacked switch, and a tele is usually routed pretty shallow as it is

 

[andybowers]

Re: Cant find the right wiring diagram for series split parallel

thanks everyone, i was wondering why i couldnt find the diagrams, zeb you are correct about cavity depth of telecaster. Some push pull pots need to router the depth more. I got one in my other tele, the push pull pot is about 36mm deep, maybe i'll have to drill the control plate for 2 mini toggles. shame as id like all those tonal options.

What does everyone think better to carve the cavity more or install 2 mini toggles?

Push pull pots would only allow 2 types of switching where as the 3 way would give me series split and parallel.

 

[Zerberus]

Re: Cant find the right wiring diagram for series split parallel

I would install 2 minitoggles if you can get them on the control plate...it´s much easier to replace a control plate than it is to fill a rout if you ever resell the axe

But if there`s no space, you´re essentially headed for a non reversible mod regardles of how you decide to do it, but IMO the Miniswitches are still preferable becasue they allow for more options.

 

[DrNewcenstein]

Re: Cant find the right wiring diagram for series split parallel

USA or MIM? If it's not a collectible, I'd cut wood, especially if the control plate was too small to fit 2 mini-toggles comfortably.

Then again, as you said, the minis would give you 3 options rather than just 2 from the p/p.

Of course you also have to ask yourself if you'll actually use the series/parallel option. The split's a given, but are the other two a necessity? Either way, as Zerb said, you're stuck with an irreversible mod, but it's easier to replace the control plate than to fill in a route.

 

[andybowers]

Re: Cant find the right wiring diagram for series split parallel

just found a 2 humbucker push pull in the tele wiring diagrams on the duncan site, would it be parallel or split?

 

[Zerberus]

Re: Cant find the right wiring diagram for series split parallel

http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=tele_2h_2splits

^^If you mean this schematic, splits. Even says so in big black letters "Tele with 2 humbuckers and 2 Splits"

This one will give you parallel instead of splits

http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=2h_2v_3w_ssp

just need to change the switch to a blade and convert one volume to a tone

 

[andybowers]

Re: Cant find the right wiring diagram for series split parallel

http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=tele_2h_2splits

^^If you mean this schematic, splits. Even says so in big black letters "Tele with 2 humbuckers and 2 Splits"

This one will give you parallel instead of splits

http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=2h_2v_3w_ssp

just need to change the switch to a blade and convert one volume to a tone

Its neither of those 2 diagrams

http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=tele_2hum_2pushpull

i was flicking through all the wiring for tele, but dont know if it would split or parallel

 

[DrNewcenstein]

Re: Cant find the right wiring diagram for series split parallel

Looks like parallel - neck red going to the main switch, bridge red going to the p/p to be activated with the green+black of the neck.

If it was splits, the neck black or green would go to the switch, and the red/white to the push/pull.

 

[Zerberus]

Re: Cant find the right wiring diagram for series split parallel

Its neither of those 2 diagrams

http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=tele_2hum_2pushpull

i was flicking through all the wiring for tele, but dont know if it would split or parallel

The push/pull is def. a split.. the wiring on the 5 way I can´t tell for sure because honestly IDK my way around 5 ways very well...but it seems to be an automatic split for the neck HB in the middle position.

 

[andybowers]

Re: Cant find the right wiring diagram for series split parallel

I wired it up this morning, turns out its split coil not parallel. I had to remove some more of the telecaster cavity to fit the push pull pot in. Its was a bit tight to get all the wiring in, but i took my time and trimmed wires to suit. Had Mr Shakeyhand couple of times, but its all done. Thanks for everyones help!!!:headbang: