Catalog of shields and grounds in an electric guitar

uOpt

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Since this just came up again I think it's better to have it in one place.

Short version:
  • Everything that acts as a shield needs to be grounded.
  • If your pickup wire has a shield, ground it. In a so-called 4-conductor wire you need to ground the bare wire, in addition to one of the leads. It actually has 5 conductors, that's where the confusion is from. That grounds the pickup's baseplate and the wire shield.
  • Most guitars want you to ground the strings so that your body acts as a shield.
  • If there is shielding foil or conductive paint, it needs to be grounded to be effective.
  • Ground the casing of all the potentiometers.
  • Use shielded wire inside the guitars for any long connections, such as toward a LP switch. Using shielded wire for short distances such as to the output plug helps quite a bit, too.


Long version:
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Concept of shielding:
  • A shield is a grounded conductor around a signal-carrying wire.
  • Examples are foils or meshes around a wire (inside shielded wire), foil or conductive paint in a cavity or the foil on a Strat's pickguard.
  • It does not matter how thick the shield is, any thin foil will do. You can use gold rolled so thing you can see through it. However, thin foil such as kitchen aluminium foil is harder to work with and breaks easier afterwards.
  • It doesn't matter whether the ground is a "real" solder point. Things touching each other with decent pressure are sufficient. If it conducts it'll do.
  • Additionally, things that conduct a little are commonly abused as shields.

List of shields in humbucker guitars:
  • The pickups have either "2-conductor" wire, which is hot and shield. Easy, you must ground the shield for it to work anyway.
  • ... or "4-conductor" which is 4 leads plus shield foil plus bare wire. You must connect the bare wire to ground, along with one of the leads. I you don't then the shield in the shielded wire doesn't shield, but what is worse is that the pickup baseplate wouldn't be grounded. This is a common mistake.
  • The pickup wires are shielded, but you must also use shielded wire to go to the switches, especially to a switch far away like a LP switch. Common mistake, too.

List of shields in traditional Fender single coil setups:
  • Since the pickups hum like mofos anyway Leo didn't bother with shielded wire either.
  • In Leo's defense, his idea was to have a metal dome around the whole thing including the strings (think Jazz bass). We removed those and now we need to deal with the noise.
  • There often is a foil shield inside the pickguard. It needs to be grounded to have an effect. It is usually grounded via the grounded pots that are screwed into it.
  • You can improve noise by shielding the pickup cavities but see "eddie currents" below. Myself I wrap some grounded foil around the unshielded wires between the Strat style pickups but leave the pickup area itself alone.

Shields in both humbucker and fender style guitars:
  • The potentiometer housing is grounded. Theoretically it is incorrect to solder to be back but it does the job well enough.
  • Since manufacturers are too lazy to shield all the cavities they abuse the player's belly (or in the case of Les Paul players the balls) as shield, by grounding the strings via the bridge. This is IMHO life-threatening nonsense and can be cut if shielding is otherwise complete.
  • The output plug can be connected using shielded wire. There's no downside to doing that and it cuts back on some noise.

FAQ:
  • Conductors near oscillating magnetic fields induce eddie currents, which dampen the amplitude of the resonance peak. In other words, they cut off some treble the same way that lower value pots do. Humbucker covers do this. Myself I tend to keep shielding in cavities away from Strat pickup cavities, although I am fine with the shield in the pickguard. I have not done and I am not aware of any specific testing that was done on this topic.
  • Heavy constructions like Gibson's old brass box can resonate mechanically and that will be audible.
  • You can't produce "ground loops" inside a guitar. The distances are too short to have enough potential difference as long as nothing is broken. Just don't use half-broken wires or solder points that conduct but at a couple megaohms or so.
  • You can remove the ground wire to the bridge and strings after you shield everything else. You can build a complete shield pretty easily.
  • Humbuckers don't need more shielding (such as conductive paint in the cavities) because, well, they buck the hum. The hum canceling is complete. The only exception is that there is a short distance of bare wires between the shielded wire and the coils. That is shielded in a pickup with cover and unshielded without the cover. I doubt that shielding the cavities will help here or that it makes enough of a difference. Remember the baseplate is grounded so I doubt a shielded cavity will improve things.
  • There are symmetrical music cables such as used for microphones. They carry the signal separately from the ground in a twisted pair. This helps cutting back on the noise from the long cable. The same principle would work for guitars, too, but since the pickups have much higher output than a microphone it is not generally considered worth bothering with. You can't use the microphone cable material for passive guitar anyway since the capacitance of such a cable is too high.
 
Re: Catalog of shields and grounds in an electric guitar

What he said.
 
Re: Catalog of shields and grounds in an electric guitar

I should probably add some photos so that things are less abstract.
 
Re: Catalog of shields and grounds in an electric guitar

wait, so I've been doing everything technically wrong but sorta adequate??
 
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Shameless bump since it came up lately.
 
Re: Catalog of shields and grounds in an electric guitar

Hey uOpt, can you explain in detail why strings/bridge don't need to be grounded if everything else is.
 
Re: Catalog of shields and grounds in an electric guitar

^I also wanna know.
I've heard things about dudes almost dying when there's a short or something and they touch strings so you can bet I don't want that to happen to me.... :)
 
Re: Catalog of shields and grounds in an electric guitar

Hey uOpt, can you explain in detail why strings/bridge don't need to be grounded if everything else is.

The bridge/string grounding reduces noise by using your body (a pretty good conductor) as a shield.

If you already have a grounded conductor around all open wires then you don't need to ground yourself as another shield.


Having said that, there is what could be interpreted as a safety aspect. Normally big conductive things are grounded so that if you were to put power into them the fuse would blow instead of killing you. So if you were to stick your string ends into an A/C outlet while holding the guitar then the grounded strings would protect you (if the current is strong enough which isn't a give, a current less than the fuse can kill you easily if it goes through the heart).

In my own opinion, safety goes the other way round, I think grounded strings are dangerous. The reason is that you are exposed to A/C power if you are on a badly wired amp. If the ground wire in the A/C plug comes loose from ground and touches one of the A/C hot wires, then you are instantly under power. This is very dangerous because you cramp up, and you presumably cramp with the left hand around the strings. And the fuse in the house wiring will never fire, it is out of the picture. The amp fuse might rescue you.

You can also construct a scenario where a microphone is under A/C power and you touch it with your mouth. If you are running around with grounded strings you get zapped big time, the current going through mouth, chest and arms into the strings and from there into ground. That can be considered more dangerous than the current going through your legs and shoes into a wooden stage or other not greatly conducting floor. If you have sneakers with plastic soles the advantage is obvious.

The latter scenario can be discussed, but the A/C wire issue I described in the former has zapped people in practice and it is pretty conceivable. Most of us go around and plug into random old amps. I can trust myself that I don't stick the tuners into an outlet. I know nothing about amps I don't own.
 
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Shameless bump since I need it right now.
 
Re: Catalog of shields and grounds in an electric guitar

Can explain the cause and cure relating to getting zapped on the lip from touching a mic? Thanks....
 
Re: Catalog of shields and grounds in an electric guitar

Can explain the cause and cure relating to getting zapped on the lip from touching a mic? Thanks....

Not using an A8.

Cause: Reversed polarity of the mic/PA to the guitar/amp; most likely from a sh*tty electrician job wiring the building.

Cure: If you're dead, you're dead. If not, suck it up. You'll feel like sh*t but you'll be fine assuming you don't have any heart or respiratory problems.

But you can have the strings grounded, it isn't a guarantee you'll get zapped. It is just an extra safety feature if they aren't. Just if the strings are grounded, you BETTER check the polarity of all the outlets, carry surge protectors with you, and even have a switch for each pickup so you can reverse the phase of the whole guitar (Example: Both pickups in phase - normal, one pickup out of phase - out of phase sound, both pickups out of phase - normal sound, but on the opposite end of the polarity spectrum). This is why Brian May kept all three phase switches (you would still get all the sounds with just two phase switches) on his Red Special because he liked being able to toggle the overall phase, especially when going to America shows because of the different outlets.

Does this mean you need to run out and put phase switches in every guitar? Hell no. Just don't be an idiot and check everything before you plug anything in.

And for those of you wondering: Has anyone actually died from this? - Yes. Leslie Harvey died on stage during a gig because he got zapped. Now amps have that third ground prong making things safer, but not guaranteed. NEVER NEGLECT THe GROUND PRONG.
 
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I have to be honest. I am not sure that the common reason for mic zap is exchanging neutral and hot in one outlet.

I think defective equipment leaking parts of the hot might be more common:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stray_voltage

I only played PA jockey in Germany where stuff usually works so I couldn't investigate in practice :)
 
Re: Catalog of shields and grounds in an electric guitar

Defective equipment could also easily be the cause. Just it doesn't seem weird if broken equipment equipment malfunctions, which is probably why it doesn't get mentioned as much.
 
Re: Catalog of shields and grounds in an electric guitar

******, now I want to know. Tempted to reverse neutral and hot in a plug in one unit and see whether that gets me zapped when touching both that unit and a normally wired one.
 
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