Cathode Bias and Fixed Bias

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Can someone explain to me the difference between cathode bias and fixed bias? I've been hearing more and more about how each lends a different quality to the final tone, but I'd like to understand the nuts and bolts behind that.

- Keith
 
Re: Cathode Bias and Fixed Bias

Aiken Amplification has some good info on this subject and other amp related subjects in their Tech Info section. There's some good reading there. Since they explain the difference between the two types of biasing better than I could, I'll just quote a portion of that article:

Aiken Amplification said:
There are two main types of biasing: fixed biasing and cathode biasing. Fixed biasing does not mean the bias is not adjustable, in fact, it usually means the opposite. Cathode biasing is usually fixed, and not adjustable, and fixed biasing is usually adjustable with a small trimmer potentiometer, or "trimpot". It is no wonder the subject is confusing to people!

Fixed biasing means the tube is biased by means of a DC voltage, which is usually a negative voltage applied to the grid of the tube with respect to the cathode. As the negative grid voltage is adjusted, the bias current will increase or decrease, depending upon the direction the bias voltage is going. In general, as the bias voltage becomes more negative, the bias current becomes smaller, and the tube is biased "colder". As the bias voltage is adjusted less negative, towards zero volts DC, the bias current becomes larger, and the tube is biased "hotter". This is because a tube is a "normally on" device; that is, it allows current to flow from the cathode to the plate when the grid is at zero volts with respect to the cathode. The tube can be turned off, and the current flow stopped, by making the grid voltage negative with respect to the cathode. The tube can also be biased by referencing the grid to ground, or zero volts DC, and applying a positive DC voltage to the cathode. This is the same as keeping the cathode at ground and applying a negative DC voltage to the grid, because it is the grid voltage with respect to the cathode that determines the amount of bias current in the tube.

Since vacuum tubes are "normally on" devices, a trick can be used to bias them without having to supply a negative DC voltage source to the grid. If a resistor is placed between the cathode and ground, and the grid of the tube is referenced to ground (usually by connecting a large value resistor, such as a 1Meg, from grid to ground), the tube will try to conduct a large current from cathode to plate, since the grid and cathode are initially at ground potential. However, this cathode current flow will cause a voltage drop across the cathode resistor, making the cathode voltage positive with respect to the grid. Since the cathode voltage is now positive with respect to the grid, the current flow will decrease, and the tube will head back towards cutoff. A point of equilibrium will quickly be reached where the increase in current is offset exactly by the increase in cathode voltage, and the bias current will stabilize at some particular value. It will remain at this value unless the resistor value is changed, or a different tube with different characteristics is plugged in. This allows the desired bias point to be set by varying the value of the cathode resistor.
 
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Ah, this is very helpful! So I see why he says fixed biasing is adjustable using a trim pot, but I would think you could use a pot to vary the resistance in a cathode-bias configuration as well. Am I missing something here?

- Keith
 
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Ah, this is very helpful! So I see why he says fixed biasing is adjustable using a trim pot, but I would think you could use a pot to vary the resistance in a cathode-bias configuration as well. Am I missing something here?

- Keith

You can - but it would need to be a 5W ceramic varistor since it's gonna dissipate some heat.

To calculate the resistor value at let's say 44mA per tube in a 2 tube 50W amp and let's say the fixed bias voltage would sit at -32 volts to achieve the 44mA per tube in a fixed bias config, use Ohm's law: R=-32V / 0.088A (2 tubes, each drawing 44mA). R=364 ohms. The wattage of the resistor (power) = 0.088A * 32V = 2.8W. To be on the safe side, double this and use a 5W resistor. So you can stand a couple of resistors up in series to get the value close or get one resistor and a varistor in series so you have some amount of adjustment without ever "grounding out" the cathode.

So if you want to convert, it's really pretty straight forward
 
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Re: Cathode Bias and Fixed Bias

Thanks for the continued useful info, guys. More questions (sorry if I sound like Walters—I promise it's unintentional):

So when is a bias adjustment required? Only with power tube changes? Only when changing from one kind of tube to another? Even when changing to the same kind of tube, but a different manufacturer?

- Keith
 
Re: Cathode Bias and Fixed Bias

Thanks for the continued useful info, guys. More questions (sorry if I sound like Walters—I promise it's unintentional):

So when is a bias adjustment required? Only with power tube changes? Only when changing from one kind of tube to another? Even when changing to the same kind of tube, but a different manufacturer?

- Keith

Any time you change tubes period. Tubes aren't near what they were when they were made by the major electronics company's in the day where there was a level of quality control and consistency with brand/model. Now we all rely on matching tubes to mitigate the inconsistencies. Don't get me wrong, tube matching has always been there and was primarily used by the audiophile crowd, but now they all need to be tested and matched since there is little QC on Russian and Chinese tubes...
 
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What about changing tube types from, say 6L6 power tubes to KT66?

Thinkin about doing this with my Mesa D-180
 
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What about changing tube types from, say 6L6 power tubes to KT66?

Thinkin about doing this with my Mesa D-180


KT66's need more bias voltage to get in operating range so you will definitely be changing that. Are you asking in reference to cathode biasing or just standard fixed?
 
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KT66's need more bias voltage to get in operating range so you will definitely be changing that. Are you asking in reference to cathode biasing or just standard fixed?

This is a Cathode bias amp.

I figured that I would probably have to at least change the resistors....
 
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I've never heard of it in a production amp, but I do recall someone on the Mesa/Boogie forums mentioning that they replaced all of the cathode bias resistors on their pre-amp tubes with varistors in additon to the adjustable bias mod he did in the power amp. Seems a bit much IMO, since a normal cathode bias setup should be plug and play. But if one person has thought of it and done it, likely another has. It wouldn't surprise me if there was boutique amp builder out there somewhere that had adjustable cathode bias in either the preamp or poweramp as part of one amp design or another.
 
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I've never heard of it in a production amp, but I do recall someone on the Mesa/Boogie forums mentioning that they replaced all of the cathode bias resistors on their pre-amp tubes with varistors in additon to the adjustable bias mod he did in the power amp. Seems a bit much IMO, since a normal cathode bias setup should be plug and play. But if one person has thought of it and done it, likely another has. It wouldn't surprise me if there was boutique amp builder out there somewhere that had adjustable cathode bias in either the preamp or poweramp as part of one amp design or another.

Yeah - you're not gonna find that in most standard prod amps (if any)... This is definitely more of a boutique amp thing. I actually use a pot in the cathode RC circuit of the second gain stage of the Marshall to add some sparkle. It's very subtle but gives it a little definition.
 
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OK, I'm still learning about this, so my question may sound ridiculous. Why build an amp with cathode bias in the first place if it's easier to just go with fixed bias and put a trim pot on the amp to adjust it?
 
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from the mesa man himself:

"The short answer is that during my 12 years of repairing Fenders, one of the most frequent problems I saw was bias controls that were either set wrong or that had wandered out of adjustment due to vibration. As any honest tech will tell you, there's lot's of easy money to be made by sprinkling "holy water" on amplifiers ... uh, what I meant to say is "Your amp needed biasing." See what I mean? What customer is going to argue with that?"

http://www.mesaboogie.com/US/Smith/biasadjust.html


does anyone know more info about changing the resistors for the KT66 from 6L6 swap? or anywhere i can find info on this?
 
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OK, I'm still learning about this, so my question may sound ridiculous. Why build an amp with cathode bias in the first place if it's easier to just go with fixed bias and put a trim pot on the amp to adjust it?

Well, with cathode biasing the tubes self compensate as the bias "floats" with the current flow through the tube - plus it's simple. Note however that you won't typically find this type of config in higher wattage amps since the by-product of the circuit is wattage dissipation in the form of heat through the cathode resistor.
 
Re: Cathode Bias and Fixed Bias

from the mesa man himself:

"The short answer is that during my 12 years of repairing Fenders, one of the most frequent problems I saw was bias controls that were either set wrong or that had wandered out of adjustment due to vibration. As any honest tech will tell you, there's lot's of easy money to be made by sprinkling "holy water" on amplifiers ... uh, what I meant to say is "Your amp needed biasing." See what I mean? What customer is going to argue with that?"

http://www.mesaboogie.com/US/Smith/biasadjust.html


does anyone know more info about changing the resistors for the KT66 from 6L6 swap? or anywhere i can find info on this?

in other words: let's make people buy our tubes and save the customers for as long as they have our amps. That sucks. I don't like that guy, he just goes around and patents just about anything that's not already patented and on the other hand he steals SLO design, adds some bells and whistles and calls it a dual rectifier. Bulls**t
 
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So do all fixed-bias circuits have a trim pot to allow for bias adjustments?

Well for the most part - some older amps do not. Most anything you run into made in the past 30 years will. I'm sure there are exceptions. btw... a good simple example of cathode bias is an old Fender Champ with a single 6V6.
 
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in other words: let's make people buy our tubes and save the customers for as long as they have our amps. That sucks. I don't like that guy, he just goes around and patents just about anything that's not already patented and on the other hand he steals SLO design, adds some bells and whistles and calls it a dual rectifier. Bulls**t

well mesa is in the tube selling buisness as well as the amp buisness. I personally like the cathode bias amps, especially since I am quite new to tubes. Mesa may have some questionable business pushes but my Budda also has a cathode bias.
 
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