Captain Tightpants
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Re: Check out Gibson's so-called "Game Changer"...
Nigel's gonna be pissed.
Nigel's gonna be pissed.
Check out Gibson's so-called "Game Changer"...
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IanBallard
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Re: Check out Gibson's so-called "Game Changer"...
That's because Gibson is notoriously hard on retailers to sell and if they don't, they pull the guitars and the license to sell them. I've known several relieved retailers who don't have to be berated by Gibson sales reps anymore.
I think the guitar would look better in a reverse orientation and with a body and neck binding to match the headstock.
"Bread and Butter". They still do that and will always do that. Frankly, until I play one I'll reserve judgement.
That's because Gibson is notoriously hard on retailers to sell and if they don't, they pull the guitars and the license to sell them. I've known several relieved retailers who don't have to be berated by Gibson sales reps anymore.
I think the guitar would look better in a reverse orientation and with a body and neck binding to match the headstock.
"Bread and Butter". They still do that and will always do that. Frankly, until I play one I'll reserve judgement.
devastone
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They may loose more dealers if they are forced to stock one of these. I'm with Jolly, I don't get the Jagmaster, etc... love either, but at least those are affordable. It looks like a really lame attempt at a rendition of an Ibanez PG Fireman, which I'm not a huge fan of, but at least those look "together", this looks like a slapped together, $5,500 toy.
Okay, maybe I'm old, but I don't get it...
They may loose more dealers if they are forced to stock one of these. I'm with Jolly, I don't get the Jagmaster, etc... love either, but at least those are affordable. It looks like a really lame attempt at a rendition of an Ibanez PG Fireman, which I'm not a huge fan of, but at least those look "together", this looks like a slapped together, $5,500 toy.
Okay, maybe I'm old, but I don't get it...
Red_Label
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Re: Check out Gibson's so-called "Game Changer"...
Spot on!
Gibson corporate seems to be the same type of idiots who've worn suits for years and dictated what artists record and play. As much as I love the product that artists produce... I HATE the "industry" that tries to put everyone in a box. Thank God for the internet!
Spot on!
Gibson corporate seems to be the same type of idiots who've worn suits for years and dictated what artists record and play. As much as I love the product that artists produce... I HATE the "industry" that tries to put everyone in a box. Thank God for the internet!
Left_Hand_Strat
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Re: Check out Gibson's so-called "Game Changer"...
You know.... I F***IN' Love that body!!!!!
You know.... I F***IN' Love that body!!!!!
King IzzO)))
Ultimate Kitten Puncher
Re: Check out Gibson's so-called "Game Changer"...
I'm down for the non-reverse FB, maple fretboard, and the Hamer style headstock, but the robot sh*t, the (non-matching?? WTF?) metal knobs and those switches have got to go. This is up there with the last few stupid things they've made.
I'm down for the non-reverse FB, maple fretboard, and the Hamer style headstock, but the robot sh*t, the (non-matching?? WTF?) metal knobs and those switches have got to go. This is up there with the last few stupid things they've made.
phil_104
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Re: Check out Gibson's so-called "Game Changer"...
Indeed they do. They still release decent guitars at decent prices, like the LP Trad (about 2k), Sg and SG Classic (850-1200 range), Flying V (1200ish), Firebird (1300ish), and so forth. Classic designs with classic features, and they do sell.
With that said, instead of this guitar, the reverse V, the V with holes in it, and that red thing with a white guard and red pickups in it, I'm sure the players would have rather had a chance to buy a V with soapbars, a white 61 reissue SG, a pelham blue Firebird with 3 minis in the regular production line, a Les Paul that comes in blue, and maybe even the reappearance of the Les Paul Deluxe.
I dunno. There are not that many gaps in their line, but the very trivial and superfluous material kind damages the overall feel of their offerings. I will agree to that.
Indeed they do. They still release decent guitars at decent prices, like the LP Trad (about 2k), Sg and SG Classic (850-1200 range), Flying V (1200ish), Firebird (1300ish), and so forth. Classic designs with classic features, and they do sell.
With that said, instead of this guitar, the reverse V, the V with holes in it, and that red thing with a white guard and red pickups in it, I'm sure the players would have rather had a chance to buy a V with soapbars, a white 61 reissue SG, a pelham blue Firebird with 3 minis in the regular production line, a Les Paul that comes in blue, and maybe even the reappearance of the Les Paul Deluxe.
I dunno. There are not that many gaps in their line, but the very trivial and superfluous material kind damages the overall feel of their offerings. I will agree to that.
marvar
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Earth-shattering! Revolutionary! A game changer!
Nothing will ever be the same again!
This really has changed everything, for from now on, Gibson will cease to be taken seriously as a purveyor of fine professional musical instruments.
Earth-shattering! Revolutionary! A game changer!
Nothing will ever be the same again!
This really has changed everything, for from now on, Gibson will cease to be taken seriously as a purveyor of fine professional musical instruments.
blueman335
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+1. It doesn't matter what a $5,000 guitar looks like or does, they're only going to sell a handful of units at that price. Obviously Gibson put a lot of R&D time and money into developing this. They won't get that money back. The average player can't come up with $2,500 for an LP Std, which is far more appealing than this space age Firebird.
What Gibson should have come out with 25 years ago is a design to go head-to-head with Super Strats (like a Super SG: HSH and HSS with P-90's and a 5-way). Instead they lost market share to competitors. who beat them on innovation, price, and consitent quality.
Frivolous designs like this (and the Reverse V, V2, Zoot Suit SG, etc) drain Gibson's cash flow, with no hope of recouping the substantial investment involved. That forces them to put huge markups on their other guitars, to pay for these flights of fantasy.
An efficient, well-run corporation could produce and sell American-made guitars for half of what Gibson does, and still make a respectable profit. But that means they couldn't indulge themselves with hopeless, poorly-researched new products. The Firebird X isn't what the public wants, or what they're going to buy. Even at $500 it wouldn't make a big splash. It doesn't change the game. It just confirms that the Gibson of today is out of touch with guitar players.
+1. It doesn't matter what a $5,000 guitar looks like or does, they're only going to sell a handful of units at that price. Obviously Gibson put a lot of R&D time and money into developing this. They won't get that money back. The average player can't come up with $2,500 for an LP Std, which is far more appealing than this space age Firebird.
What Gibson should have come out with 25 years ago is a design to go head-to-head with Super Strats (like a Super SG: HSH and HSS with P-90's and a 5-way). Instead they lost market share to competitors. who beat them on innovation, price, and consitent quality.
Frivolous designs like this (and the Reverse V, V2, Zoot Suit SG, etc) drain Gibson's cash flow, with no hope of recouping the substantial investment involved. That forces them to put huge markups on their other guitars, to pay for these flights of fantasy.
An efficient, well-run corporation could produce and sell American-made guitars for half of what Gibson does, and still make a respectable profit. But that means they couldn't indulge themselves with hopeless, poorly-researched new products. The Firebird X isn't what the public wants, or what they're going to buy. Even at $500 it wouldn't make a big splash. It doesn't change the game. It just confirms that the Gibson of today is out of touch with guitar players.
Left_Hand_Strat
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Re: Check out Gibson's so-called "Game Changer"...
I'm going plus 1 with you on this. Yes i do agree, in terms of innovation we have Fender, Ibanez, Fret King, Italia, yes two of them are not big names but still, competition is competition and for the money i can buy i fantastic quality fret king guitar based on the trad Firebird and it costs 9 times less than the Firebird X.
Don't get me wrong, i LOVE the look of the new Firebird and i know it isn't everyone's taste, but relalistically who can afford it? most of these will either be stuck in shops at half price in two years or they will sell out to collectors.
I'm going plus 1 with you on this. Yes i do agree, in terms of innovation we have Fender, Ibanez, Fret King, Italia, yes two of them are not big names but still, competition is competition and for the money i can buy i fantastic quality fret king guitar based on the trad Firebird and it costs 9 times less than the Firebird X.
Don't get me wrong, i LOVE the look of the new Firebird and i know it isn't everyone's taste, but relalistically who can afford it? most of these will either be stuck in shops at half price in two years or they will sell out to collectors.
brunogio
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Re: Check out Gibson's so-called "Game Changer"...
It's too bad because Gibson got it right in my mind in the mid 90s. By then they had consistent quality at least in the 4 guitars I have from that period.
They came out with nice interesting takes like the Studio Gem (interesting colors and P90s), the Classic LP series (albeit with the ceramic pups I don't care for) but with the slim taper neck some people like.
They even had a few more recent ideas that worked like the Burstbucker series pickups which I like (OK so I only know the BB pros) but I like them anyhow. They introduced the Pleked process which shows that they acknowledged a serious issue in the fret finish work. Let's not forget the SG Classic with twin P90s. The limited edition LP Standards are really nice as well. And I think they have a few LPs and SGs for under $1000 street price?
But this stuff like this, the robot, the DarkFire, Dusk Tiger, Zoot thing, reverse V is just wacky. And who's it really for? My guess is that this is how the company judges progress.
I would suggest they consider more pickup offerings including Mr. Duncan's and Mr. Dimarzios, and offer split coil options on some standard guitars. I am a big fan of Bigbsy tremolos but they're hard to come by in stock models.
It's too bad because Gibson got it right in my mind in the mid 90s. By then they had consistent quality at least in the 4 guitars I have from that period.
They came out with nice interesting takes like the Studio Gem (interesting colors and P90s), the Classic LP series (albeit with the ceramic pups I don't care for) but with the slim taper neck some people like.
They even had a few more recent ideas that worked like the Burstbucker series pickups which I like (OK so I only know the BB pros) but I like them anyhow. They introduced the Pleked process which shows that they acknowledged a serious issue in the fret finish work. Let's not forget the SG Classic with twin P90s. The limited edition LP Standards are really nice as well. And I think they have a few LPs and SGs for under $1000 street price?
But this stuff like this, the robot, the DarkFire, Dusk Tiger, Zoot thing, reverse V is just wacky. And who's it really for? My guess is that this is how the company judges progress.
I would suggest they consider more pickup offerings including Mr. Duncan's and Mr. Dimarzios, and offer split coil options on some standard guitars. I am a big fan of Bigbsy tremolos but they're hard to come by in stock models.
Red_Label
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Re: Check out Gibson's so-called "Game Changer"...
I'm just waiting on the lotto to call my numbers so I can start my sparkle-finish LP collection!
I'm just waiting on the lotto to call my numbers so I can start my sparkle-finish LP collection!
phil_104
Cheesesteakologist
Re: Check out Gibson's so-called "Game Changer"...
This isn't directly related, well a bit I guess.... but if you are going to go with on board controls, don't overload it.
My opinion is that one of the companies that pushed the idea of versatility, of creating one guitar that could do all you needed to do, and integrate it into one guitar, is Godin. Their three voiced guitars feature active on board EQ, seperate output for Piezzo, coil tap, 13 pin synth access directly built in.
http://www.godinguitars.com/godinlgxtp.htm
That's as far as I would take it. The average player won't mind having a solid guitar in their hands that has no built in delay of flanger, and just use a stompbox for those effects if he needs them. Piezzo and synth on the other hand, are some desirable features in an guitar.
In my opinion, there is going to far. Godin got it right, and didn't go to far. Gibson is testing the waters, but I think it will cost them.
This isn't directly related, well a bit I guess.... but if you are going to go with on board controls, don't overload it.
My opinion is that one of the companies that pushed the idea of versatility, of creating one guitar that could do all you needed to do, and integrate it into one guitar, is Godin. Their three voiced guitars feature active on board EQ, seperate output for Piezzo, coil tap, 13 pin synth access directly built in.
http://www.godinguitars.com/godinlgxtp.htm
That's as far as I would take it. The average player won't mind having a solid guitar in their hands that has no built in delay of flanger, and just use a stompbox for those effects if he needs them. Piezzo and synth on the other hand, are some desirable features in an guitar.
In my opinion, there is going to far. Godin got it right, and didn't go to far. Gibson is testing the waters, but I think it will cost them.
Red_Label
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Re: Check out Gibson's so-called "Game Changer"...
Godin is good stuff. I've owned one for about 10 years now (though not the "fancy" ones with all of the bells and whistles).
Godin is good stuff. I've owned one for about 10 years now (though not the "fancy" ones with all of the bells and whistles).
blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: Check out Gibson's so-called "Game Changer"...
+1. The company that invented HB's & P-90's has a modest selection of both. The irony. Too many Gibson owners replace their PU's. Why isn't effort going into more PU offerings, and innovations like we see from Duncan & DMz?
Why not make the 4 push-pull Jimmy Page system standard on a bunch of solid body models? If you don't want to use it, the controls function as normal; if you do, you have all kinds of tone options. On a large scale, it would be very inexpensive for them to do. To me, it's much more useful than robot tuners.
Gibson is spending millions on innovations that few players are interested in, and ignoring the ones that matter. You're only an industry leader if your ideas are sound and others are willing to follow you.
+1. The company that invented HB's & P-90's has a modest selection of both. The irony. Too many Gibson owners replace their PU's. Why isn't effort going into more PU offerings, and innovations like we see from Duncan & DMz?
Why not make the 4 push-pull Jimmy Page system standard on a bunch of solid body models? If you don't want to use it, the controls function as normal; if you do, you have all kinds of tone options. On a large scale, it would be very inexpensive for them to do. To me, it's much more useful than robot tuners.
Gibson is spending millions on innovations that few players are interested in, and ignoring the ones that matter. You're only an industry leader if your ideas are sound and others are willing to follow you.
MojoMonster
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Re: Check out Gibson's so-called "Game Changer"...
You gotta ask yourself what this will look like 30 or 40 years from now when guitars from this decade are considered "classics".
As badly as this is realized, one thing is true... this *is* the direction guitars are going to go in... for many reasons... the least of which are Guitar Hero, the smartphone and the ubiquitous "app".
MM
You gotta ask yourself what this will look like 30 or 40 years from now when guitars from this decade are considered "classics".
As badly as this is realized, one thing is true... this *is* the direction guitars are going to go in... for many reasons... the least of which are Guitar Hero, the smartphone and the ubiquitous "app".
MM
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Re: Check out Gibson's so-called "Game Changer"...
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Change your name to Eileen....
The guitar begs to not even be taken seriously with the arcade colored mixture of knobs and such...
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Change your name to Eileen....
The guitar begs to not even be taken seriously with the arcade colored mixture of knobs and such...