Johtosotku
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Re: Check Out The New Tone Chart
Nice! The most popular custom options would be nice to see there as well.
Nice! The most popular custom options would be nice to see there as well.
Check Out The New Tone Chart
- Thread starter Evan Skopp
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Peterku
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Re: Check Out The New Tone Chart
I like the new chart, especially the tone comparison. I tend to agree with those who criticize the clips, but I think the Tone Comparison page with the four slots, several different colors, specs and clips is a great improvement. The only negative comment I'd make is that I find the Pro Shop vs. Player's Pick grouping a little bit confusing. I don't really understand what the grouping is based on.
I like the new chart, especially the tone comparison. I tend to agree with those who criticize the clips, but I think the Tone Comparison page with the four slots, several different colors, specs and clips is a great improvement. The only negative comment I'd make is that I find the Pro Shop vs. Player's Pick grouping a little bit confusing. I don't really understand what the grouping is based on.
Butch Snyder
ObsoleteChickenPickingologist
Re: Check Out The New Tone Chart
I really like the "Compare Tone" feature. Nice tool....
I really like the "Compare Tone" feature. Nice tool....
Fresh_Start
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+ whatever on "Pro/Player" column being worthless.
Also like the mild/medium/hot idea for output. Perhaps using little chilis like a Thai or Mexican menu?
Green = mild
Orange = medium
Red = hot
(yes, that was mostly tongue-in-cheek, but it would be much more accessible than the blue cube & the flame)
Is it just me, or was anyone else confused by the presentation of some of the "rails" type pickups being shown as wired in parallel?
Probably not on this chart, but having info on polarity and winding direction of various pickups would be really helpful to techie dweebs like me. I talked with Scott Miller about this yesterday when I was making sure a post in the "Pup Tent" was correct.
Oh, and I really like the improved chart overall
Chip
+ whatever on "Pro/Player" column being worthless.
Also like the mild/medium/hot idea for output. Perhaps using little chilis like a Thai or Mexican menu?
Green = mild
Orange = medium
Red = hot
(yes, that was mostly tongue-in-cheek, but it would be much more accessible than the blue cube & the flame)
Is it just me, or was anyone else confused by the presentation of some of the "rails" type pickups being shown as wired in parallel?
Probably not on this chart, but having info on polarity and winding direction of various pickups would be really helpful to techie dweebs like me. I talked with Scott Miller about this yesterday when I was making sure a post in the "Pup Tent" was correct.
Oh, and I really like the improved chart overall
Chip
WITH FULL DISTORTION
F. Hails Railsologist
Re: Check Out The New Tone Chart
YEAH. i liked it very much
i just don´t agree with the DUNCAN DISTORTION having 8 on mids.
NO WAY. ahahahaha it may have 5 or 6.
YEAH. i liked it very much
i just don´t agree with the DUNCAN DISTORTION having 8 on mids.
NO WAY. ahahahaha it may have 5 or 6.
MikeS
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Very nice job to everyone who was involved in putting that together! It reads so much better than the PDF version. The "compare tone" functions are great. Even better than great. I have a feeling a lot of people are going to be using that religiously (myself included).
To those (Artie) talking about justification of text within a column... the text is fine on my screen when the window is maximized, but screwed up when the window isn't full screen. My guess is that any problems with text alignment can be fixed with adjusting browser windows and settings.
Very nice job to everyone who was involved in putting that together! It reads so much better than the PDF version. The "compare tone" functions are great. Even better than great. I have a feeling a lot of people are going to be using that religiously (myself included).
To those (Artie) talking about justification of text within a column... the text is fine on my screen when the window is maximized, but screwed up when the window isn't full screen. My guess is that any problems with text alignment can be fixed with adjusting browser windows and settings.
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ParaGuitarMedic
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Re: Check Out The New Tone Chart
The compare option is cool
The compare option is cool
Dave Z
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I liked the layout, though I think too much space is given over to "4 conductor" - maybe an icon can replace that column, frees up some space there...ordering seemed OK & I liked the compare feature, puts all the specs right next to each other.
Evan Skopp said:Thanks for the comments. Keep 'em coming.
As for numbers vs. graphs: we did a poll on here last year and you were 50 / 50 split down the middle. So we decided to make half of you happy. As for the other half of you, sorry (but we still love you!).
Millivolts isn't going to happen anytime soon. Listing millivolt specs is fraught with problems -- and there'd be no way you could compare our millivolt specs with another manufacturer's unless they were all tested on the same test guitar using the same strings, same strum strength, etc. Sorry.
As for the order of the pickups on the chart, that's my doing. It's not by number and it's not alphabetical. It's based on how I believe people would use the chart, e.g., comparing PAF-type humbuckers.
Who else has comments?
I liked the layout, though I think too much space is given over to "4 conductor" - maybe an icon can replace that column, frees up some space there...ordering seemed OK & I liked the compare feature, puts all the specs right next to each other.
Guitar Toad
Toadily Stratologist
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Great job, well done Evan & Co.
Great job, well done Evan & Co.
WITH FULL DISTORTION
F. Hails Railsologist
Re: Check Out The New Tone Chart
ahahahahahaahahahahahah
otherwise, how can we compare them without the soundclips?
Q
YEAH BUT.... The Dimebucker and the C5 needs the ****ign soundclipsjimmy said:
ahahahahahaahahahahahah
otherwise, how can we compare them without the soundclips?
Q
Zhangliqun
Questionologist
Re: Check Out The New Tone Chart
Maybe it's been mentioned before, but if not, put the Antiquities on the chart.
Maybe it's been mentioned before, but if not, put the Antiquities on the chart.
Artie
Peaveyologist
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I was so caught up in one minor, petty criticism, that I overlooked a glaring improvement that I'd been hoping for . . . the inclusion of both model number and model name in the listing. This is so cool, it deserves bumping this thread back to the top.
Artie
I was so caught up in one minor, petty criticism, that I overlooked a glaring improvement that I'd been hoping for . . . the inclusion of both model number and model name in the listing. This is so cool, it deserves bumping this thread back to the top.
Artie
hans-jürgen
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Re: Check Out The New Tone Chart
All in all it's great that the tone chart will get even better now, because I always liked it for its pure samples that weren't cluttered with a backing track, monster reverb etc. So it never really mattered to me how they were presented.
Answering the original question though, maybe it's possible to add another field in the single detail pages for cosmetics like available colors and covers? And is this Pro/Player column just meant as an indicator for the price? Then I would agree that it's better to give the list price instead.
Two things concerning the samples: using better = meaningful ID3 tags on them would make it easier to identify and sort them in the usual audio players like Winamp etc. And you could encode them in mono without any quality loss and save half of your server space and user download time if they were also recorded in mono (which I'm not sure of).
Right, and please add the Antiquity PAF, too...LSP said:
All in all it's great that the tone chart will get even better now, because I always liked it for its pure samples that weren't cluttered with a backing track, monster reverb etc. So it never really mattered to me how they were presented.Answering the original question though, maybe it's possible to add another field in the single detail pages for cosmetics like available colors and covers? And is this Pro/Player column just meant as an indicator for the price? Then I would agree that it's better to give the list price instead.
Two things concerning the samples: using better = meaningful ID3 tags on them would make it easier to identify and sort them in the usual audio players like Winamp etc. And you could encode them in mono without any quality loss and save half of your server space and user download time if they were also recorded in mono (which I'm not sure of).
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Fusion1
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I agree with Hans, you can record in MP3 mono and it will be under 100K per sound byte for probably over a minute if you needed that long (yes longer than a 10 second byte would be an improvement) of a sound byte.
I noticed a flaw or an ommission if you will. For pickups that have a neck and bridge model, there is no indication to what the EQ rating refers to. It can't be both as many models like the 59 Neck and 59 Bridge don't have the same EQ, same goes for the Jazz; the Alnico Pro II, Hot Rails, Cool Rails, shall I go on?
Evan you noted the guy that did the recording for the sound bytes has been busy with other stuff. Is he the only guy qualified to sit down and play generic riffs for sound comparisons? I would think a bunch of out of work musicians could come up with better riffs for stuff like that to be honest.
Another suggestion this time, would be to have the amp used as well as guitar played, as well as the amp settings and volume/tone controls on the guitar as the sound clips will be more useable that way to a broader section of people.
Lastly I think a sexy female voice announcing the name of the pickups before the sound clip might be a better idea than the monotone voice of "that guy". Even someone "in-house" at Duncan can fit that role like Jessica or Kellie the webmistress.
I agree with Hans, you can record in MP3 mono and it will be under 100K per sound byte for probably over a minute if you needed that long (yes longer than a 10 second byte would be an improvement) of a sound byte.
I noticed a flaw or an ommission if you will. For pickups that have a neck and bridge model, there is no indication to what the EQ rating refers to. It can't be both as many models like the 59 Neck and 59 Bridge don't have the same EQ, same goes for the Jazz; the Alnico Pro II, Hot Rails, Cool Rails, shall I go on?
Evan you noted the guy that did the recording for the sound bytes has been busy with other stuff. Is he the only guy qualified to sit down and play generic riffs for sound comparisons? I would think a bunch of out of work musicians could come up with better riffs for stuff like that to be honest.
Another suggestion this time, would be to have the amp used as well as guitar played, as well as the amp settings and volume/tone controls on the guitar as the sound clips will be more useable that way to a broader section of people.
Lastly I think a sexy female voice announcing the name of the pickups before the sound clip might be a better idea than the monotone voice of "that guy". Even someone "in-house" at Duncan can fit that role like Jessica or Kellie the webmistress.
hans-jürgen
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I just downloaded the samples for the SSL-1 (have three of them in my self-built Strat) and found that there's no sample for the middle pickup, only in combination with the bridge and neck. I think it has a sound that's worth to document, too.
Does anybody have the samples for the vintage P-90? Mine sound broken, i.e. they have parts of other samples at the beginning and/or end. (Later: OK, checked them again, it seems to be a "nogap" issue with the encodings and/or player.)
By the way, Fusion1, 100k for 1 min. is a bit too optimistic, because the bitrate would have to be too low for a satisfying MP3 sound. I found out that a mono 96 kbps MP3 (= 192 kbps/stereo) sounds fine with a single guitar when deciding what codec to use for my own comparison of bridge humbuckers. Going lower than that resulted in typical fluttering artifacts like a dirty capstan wheel on a tape machine. And using the latest LAME version for encoding is a good idea, too, instead of e.g. the iTunes MP3 codec.
I just downloaded the samples for the SSL-1 (have three of them in my self-built Strat) and found that there's no sample for the middle pickup, only in combination with the bridge and neck. I think it has a sound that's worth to document, too.
Does anybody have the samples for the vintage P-90? Mine sound broken, i.e. they have parts of other samples at the beginning and/or end. (Later: OK, checked them again, it seems to be a "nogap" issue with the encodings and/or player.)
By the way, Fusion1, 100k for 1 min. is a bit too optimistic, because the bitrate would have to be too low for a satisfying MP3 sound. I found out that a mono 96 kbps MP3 (= 192 kbps/stereo) sounds fine with a single guitar when deciding what codec to use for my own comparison of bridge humbuckers. Going lower than that resulted in typical fluttering artifacts like a dirty capstan wheel on a tape machine. And using the latest LAME version for encoding is a good idea, too, instead of e.g. the iTunes MP3 codec.
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koolkat
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Awesome. Much easier to read than the PDF and I love the comparison tool.
If you guys do decide to re-record the sound clips, it would be great if there were at least 3 clips per pickup: clean, moderate distortion, and heavy distortion (at least for the humbuckers). The heavy distortion clips should be played through a dual rectifier or other "modern" metal amp. I think many of the players that come to the site are curious to how the pickups sound for heavier styles of music. The JCM 800 that was used on the current sound clips produces more of a moderate type of distortion.
Also, I don't really understand the difference between "Player" and "Pro" on the tone chart. Does this refer to a pricing difference? Sound quality? Popularity?
Awesome. Much easier to read than the PDF and I love the comparison tool.
If you guys do decide to re-record the sound clips, it would be great if there were at least 3 clips per pickup: clean, moderate distortion, and heavy distortion (at least for the humbuckers). The heavy distortion clips should be played through a dual rectifier or other "modern" metal amp. I think many of the players that come to the site are curious to how the pickups sound for heavier styles of music. The JCM 800 that was used on the current sound clips produces more of a moderate type of distortion.
Also, I don't really understand the difference between "Player" and "Pro" on the tone chart. Does this refer to a pricing difference? Sound quality? Popularity?
Butch Snyder
ObsoleteChickenPickingologist
Re: Check Out The New Tone Chart
Rodney Gene??
Evan Skopp said:
Rodney Gene??
