Check out this "tonewood" statement . . .

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ANY gourmet will tell you that you cant possibly taste the seasoning or the cheese in a frozen microwaved lasagna~~~


Wait a minute, I'm no dummy I read the box. It says Gourmet right on it! And it said made with the finest ingredients too.
 
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I use two graphite bars and a dual action rod in my necks.

Makes perfect sense, you've changed the mass and stiffness. I think it would be interesting to compare a short scale i.e. 24" musicmaster neck with a 25.5" with everything else the same just to see how much difference is perceptible both by the player and by an educated audience.
 
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Neck pickup on an SG is in a different spot and the neck joint is flimsier than on an LP. Not to mention the thinner bodies.

The neck pickup is at the end of the fretboard. You can move pickups an inch or so and not hear a big difference.

The neck joint is identical to an LP, but the body around the neck is thinner. LPs have pretty flimsy neck joints too. When my ex girlfriend threw my ‘81 Standard into the next room the neck actually popped right off! Saved the head from cracking off!

But it shows the construction (and mass) changes the tone. Build a few guitars from scratch and this becomes apparent.


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Well, I have to strongly disagree big time on that. The current is driven by the metal string moving thru a magnetic field. 1 inch has ended many marriages and 1 inch is a big difference in the width of the arc of the moving string that generates the entire electrical current. I agree with Chistopher, does the wood mean nothing? No, but in the entire guitar it means far less than the pickups and the scale length and the position of the pickups. I used to read Stereophile and all the BS these guys said they heard. But they would never take a blind test because they knew the placebo effect of how much something cost far exceeded their ability to actually hear the differences. LAME then and still BS now. I love beautiful finishes on guitars, I could look at them all day and night. But that look doesnt make them sound better
 
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Artie, I know you were researching sycamore, and it does stump me that more guitars aren't made out of it.

My Daisy Rock is sycamore. But it probably sounds good because of the Slash AII Pro's. ;)

Whoever resurrected this thread has a small pee pee.

You just made my wife giggle.

Now if it’s the 85% the pickups, then why doesn’t a Strat with humbuckers sound like a Les Paul?

This is an interesting point. I wonder how many of us, if any, has both a dual humbucker Strat and a Les Paul. And have bought and payed for the same humbucker set to install into both, and compare them. The point I'm making is, has anyone ever actually done that "listen" test?
 
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This is an interesting point. I wonder how many of us, if any, has both a dual humbucker Strat and a Les Paul. And have bought and payed for the same humbucker set to install into both, and compare them. The point I'm making is, has anyone ever actually done that "listen" test?

I thought Steve B did this with PAF / Seth’s?
 
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The neck joint is identical to an LP, but the body around the neck is thinner. LPs have pretty flimsy neck joints too. When my ex girlfriend threw my ‘81 Standard into the next room the neck actually popped right off! Saved the head from cracking off!

Is she "missing" now?
 
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This is an interesting point. I wonder how many of us, if any, has both a dual humbucker Strat and a Les Paul. And have bought and payed for the same humbucker set to install into both, and compare them. The point I'm making is, has anyone ever actually done that "listen" test?


Well, duh.

Haven't you ever tried two different guitars with same pickup, or swapped a pickup fro, one into another???
 
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This is an interesting point. I wonder how many of us, if any, has both a dual humbucker Strat and a Les Paul. And have bought and payed for the same humbucker set to install into both, and compare them. The point I'm making is, has anyone ever actually done that "listen" test?

Even then, they would have to be the same scale length for the test to be even close to accurate. The reason this tonewood debate is there are too many gosh darned variables. Pots values, strings, pickup location, etc.
 
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OK, I find this debate entertaining as all heck so I might as well add my 0.02$. (Well, I DID post here back in 2007 but the statute of limitation is gone for that so... :D)

I literally cannot tell you how many times I've heard the advice "if you wanna find a diamond in the rough you gotta try many of this model". However, never was it as true for me as when I bought the bellow axe:
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Michael Kelly Patriot Limited.
(As you can see it is a string-through-body).

Back then, I knew I wanted to buy that model, and the guy in my favorite guitar shop was able and willing to sit with me after he'd closed for mid-day and bring down ALL the guitars of THAT model. All from the same batch I should add.
Every one of them made EXACTLY the same with the exact same hardware and pickups and all of them set up by the same person.

Every one of them sounded appreciably different but no two guitars sounded as different as, ironically, the two that I liked the most.
One was appreciably heavier than the rest, the other appreciably lighter than the rest. They had maybe a 25% difference in weight between them.

The heavy one was, well, heavier in tone, much MUCH darker and had a tendency to quickly let the highs of the note die out and let the lower-end linger more.
The light one was WAY brighter, with a much sharper attack that also let the notes bloom more. I went back and forth many times but ended up with the second.

After that, I can never and will never accept that the wood a guitar is made of makes no difference in the way it will sound because I experienced it first hand in a most profound way.

After many years of playing I will also attest to the fact that, different species of wood tend to display certain characteristics the same way different breeds of dogs tend to have certain behavioral traits.
However, just like no two dogs are the same, even if they're from the same litter, no two guitars are the same either, even if constructed by the same person.

So, knowing what species of woods a guitar was made with will only help you ballpark how the guitar will sound but it will never tell you the whole story.
Similarly, I call bull that one can blind-listen a guitar with no information and identify the exact wood combination it was made with, even if it's as simple as Alder/Maple.

On the other hand, come on guys, that guitar that was made of steel? I could IMMEDIATELY tell it wasn't made of wood. Not that is sounded bad, (it actually sounded great!) but I could immediately pick up that metallic ringing while that "organic" quality associated with wooden instruments simply wasn't there. So yeah, I also call bull on "the material an electric guitar is made of doesn't matter" because my ears tell otherwise.
 
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OK, I find this debate entertaining as all heck so I might as well add my 0.02$. (Well, I DID post here back in 2007 but the statute of limitation is gone for that so... :D)

I literally cannot tell you how many times I've heard the advice "if you wanna find a diamond in the rough you gotta try many of this model". However, never was it as true for me as when I bought the bellow axe:
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Michael Kelly Patriot Limited.
(As you can see it is a string-through-body).

Back then, I knew I wanted to buy that model, and the guy in my favorite guitar shop was able and willing to sit with me after he'd closed for mid-day and bring down ALL the guitars of THAT model. All from the same batch I should add.
Every one of them made EXACTLY the same with the exact same hardware and pickups and all of them set up by the same person.

Every one of them sounded appreciably different but no two guitars sounded as different as, ironically, the two that I liked the most.
One was appreciably heavier than the rest, the other appreciably lighter than the rest. They had maybe a 25% difference in weight between them.

The heavy one was, well, heavier in tone, much MUCH darker and had a tendency to quickly let the highs of the note die out and let the lower-end linger more.
The light one was WAY brighter, with a much sharper attack that also let the notes bloom more. I went back and forth many times but ended up with the second.

After that, I can never and will never accept that the wood a guitar is made of makes no difference in the way it will sound because I experienced it first hand in a most profound way.

After many years of playing I will also attest to the fact that, different species of wood tend to display certain characteristics the same way different breeds of dogs tend to have certain behavioral traits.
However, just like no two dogs are the same, even if they're from the same litter, no two guitars are the same either, even if constructed by the same person.

So, knowing what species of woods a guitar was made with will only help you ballpark how the guitar will sound but it will never tell you the whole story.
Similarly, I call bull that one can blind-listen a guitar with no information and identify the exact wood combination it was made with, even if it's as simple as Alder/Maple.

On the other hand, come on guys, that guitar that was made of steel? I could IMMEDIATELY tell it wasn't made of wood. Not that is sounded bad, (it actually sounded great!) but I could immediately pick up that metallic ringing while that "organic" quality associated with wooden instruments simply wasn't there. So yeah, I also call bull on "the material an electric guitar is made of doesn't matter" because my ears tell otherwise.

Post Of The Month.
 
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There is a paper from the German dept of defense/army about dead spots and sustain and it clearly shows that materials matter.

I can also present here two examples :

When my Ibanez uv70p was finally correctly overhauled (the one which I bought from Thomann in 2014, I had opened a thread here struggling to make it play right) I saw a gradual increase in sustain on the last fret. E on high E 24th fret used to hold about 1-2 seconds. After the repair it went right up to 4, now it can do more than 4, depended on how I set up the trem arm. (so the trem also plays its role).
2nd, example, when my Carvin DC135 finally was repaired , and the low end came to life for the first time since I own this guitar (1997).

One thing I could comment is this : we are in 2018, isn't it about time that guitar production follows the standardization of other industries ? I mean would you accept your hard paid bimmer producing less output than your friend's same exact model?
 
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My Daisy Rock is sycamore. But it probably sounds good because of the Slash AII Pro's. ;)

Sycamore is a type of maple tree (acer pseudoplantanus). So it will sound similar.

This is an interesting point. I wonder how many of us, if any, has both a dual humbucker Strat and a Les Paul. And have bought and payed for the same humbucker set to install into both, and compare them. The point I'm making is, has anyone ever actually done that "listen" test?

I have. And not the same set, the actual same pickups. I’m a pickup maker as well as a luthier, so I often try pickups out in several guitars.


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O'K, I'm lost...how did girls throwing guitars get into this???what is the question here again???would someone state the issue in a clear/concise manner...
 
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O'K, I'm lost...how did girls throwing guitars get into this???what is the question here again???would someone state the issue in a clear/concise manner...

Do you not read all the words in a post?

A claim was made about SG neck tenons being weaker than a Les Paul. So I had a real world example.

The concise answer is that different woods have different densities, modulus of elasticity, and resonant frequencies. So the type of wood the guitar is made from will absolutely affect its tone. And since wood is a natural material, different guitars made from the same wood will vary in tone as well.


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DavidRavenMoon;4249090 The concise answer is that different woods have different densities said:
O'K, that is clear...so why has this been going on for 14 pages???
 
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