Chibsun from China - What Choo say?

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A guitar coming in to the US from abroad- especially China- is likely to get confiscated by customs if it says "Gibson" on it. Might be worth considering if you want to take that risk.
 
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i have one. it's a great platform for modding. it plays great. it sounds great. it cost me $200 plus another little bit for pickups and tuners. i've toured with it across america and europe. you should get one.
 
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Be sure to check the weight and dimensions. One of the listings said "Model of..."
 
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First I have to say I do not own any counterfeit guitars, and I don’t wish to implicate anyone I know.
However, suppose hypothetically that I know a person that plays in bars and assorted outdoor venues. This person may own some fine instruments that have not only cash value, but in many cases sentimental and emotional value. This guy may not wish to expose his better guitars to possible theft and or damage that is a fact of life for working musicians. Lest say this guy bought a Chibson and upgraded it to his requirements, maybe he has parstcasters with non-Fender parts, but perhaps a Fender waterslide decal on the headstock. These guitars serve two purposes, they protect his investment in his good guitars, and they provide his band with a professional image. People on this board would perhaps spot these guitars, but 90% of bar folks just see name brand guitars. In my eyes, everyone wins. He uses tools for his job that appear to be the industry standard, thus he and his band are winners. The two big name guitar companies win by having people think they are seeing their products being used professionally. Anyone playing in bars and dragging around three thousand dollar Les Pauls and thousand dollar Strats to bars and festivals is going to end up with a horror story at some point. Guitars get knocked over, they get stolen, and **** falls on them. If this is part of Aces thought process I’d call it smart thinking.
 
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None of that makes counterfeit guitars okay. Get insurance.

Let me clarify: I’m not condemning people who make a different decision here. I’m just saying that I’m not swayed by the reasoning I’ve seen so far. Talk to people who play in orchestras, about their instruments and the insurance they carry.
 
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Little Pigbacon said:
None of that makes counterfeit guitars okay. Get insurance.

Let me clarify: I’m not condemning people who make a different decision here. I’m just saying that I’m not swayed by the reasoning I’ve seen so far. Talk to people who play in orchestras, about their instruments and the insurance they carry.
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I think that we can agree that a person playing in an orchestra, while similar in that they travel and play delicate instruments, are in a very different world than folks playing in bars and playing guitars as apposed to say a trombone or a tuba. For instance many years ago I had been hired to work security at a outdoor concert venue. The band Live was going to play that day. When they were set up, but not yet on stage, I was looking over the guitars owned by the lead guitarist. They were all for the most part Gumby shaped Japanese guitars. There was a young man standing there watching me looking at the guitars. I assumed he was the guitar tech. I asked him, why was a guy in a band this big playing sort of pedestrian guitars. He said people don't realize what the road does to a guitar, if you take a Les Paul around the world, no matter how careful you are it's just a matter of time before something happens to it, not to mention the rapid temperature and humidity changes they go through sitting in planes and trucks. It was a few minutes later that I realized this kid wasn't the tech, he was the guitarist for the band, Chad. He couldn't have been much older than say twenty one or so at this time. Guys playing in bars not only don't usually have a roadie, they also often have drunks within arms reach of their stuff while it's on a stand. I think there is wisdom in not exposing valuable instruments to mishaps if one has an option. Chibson=option.
 
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If you're playing bars, or anywhere else really, why do you care what name is on the headstock? I can pretty much say that most of the people in the bar don't. Especially if you sound good when you play "Free Bird".

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Yeah - I totally disagree on the "Professional" factor of the instrument. No body but d-head guitar players care. And even then, only the cork sniffers. Most are even more impressed when you make a righteous sound with an Epiphone and a POD.

But - as mentioned....the badge (even if fake) gets seen by the audience. One could argue though, if it sounds bad....
 
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mojosman said:
I think that we can agree that a person playing in an orchestra, while similar in that they travel and play delicate instruments, are in a very different world than folks playing in bars and playing guitars as apposed to say a trombone or a tuba. For instance many years ago I had been hired to work security at a outdoor concert venue. The band Live was going to play that day. When they were set up, but not yet on stage, I was looking over the guitars owned by the lead guitarist. They were all for the most part Gumby shaped Japanese guitars. There was a young man standing there watching me looking at the guitars. I assumed he was the guitar tech. I asked him, why was a guy in a band this big playing sort of pedestrian guitars. He said people don't realize what the road does to a guitar, if you take a Les Paul around the world, no matter how careful you are it's just a matter of time before something happens to it, not to mention the rapid temperature and humidity changes they go through sitting in planes and trucks. It was a few minutes later that I realizeed this kid wasn't the tech, he was the guitarist for the band, Chad. He couldn't have been much older than say twenty one or so at this time. Guys playing in bars not only don't usually have a roadie, they also often have drunks within arms reach of their stuff while it's on a stand. I think there is wisdom in not exposing valuable instruments to mishaps if one has an option. Chibson=option.
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That’s a reason not to take a real Gibson. It’s not a reason to take an illegal counterfeit one.
 
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Aceman said:
Yeah - I totally disagree on the "Professional" factor of the instrument. No body but d-head guitar players care. And even then, only the cork sniffers. Most are even more impressed when you make a righteous sound with an Epiphone and a POD.

But - as mentioned....the badge (even if fake) gets seen by the audience. One could argue though, if it sounds bad....
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On mine most guitarists that see it comment on how beautiful it is
Then ask what brand.
As they squint up , I tell them it's my brand
A custom made one of a kind
Then they hear it and they don't care where it was manufactured

Yea there are some corksniffers that would dismiss it
But most folks think it's cool as crap to have a signature guitar

In fact my buddy was talking bout how all those little known artists have signature guitars
And noted.at the end
"Even you have one"
 
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mojosman said:
First I have to say I do not own any counterfeit guitars, and I don’t wish to implicate anyone I know.
However, suppose hypothetically that I know a person that plays in bars and assorted outdoor venues. This person may own some fine instruments that have not only cash value, but in many cases sentimental and emotional value. This guy may not wish to expose his better guitars to possible theft and or damage that is a fact of life for working musicians. Lest say this guy bought a Chibson and upgraded it to his requirements, maybe he has parstcasters with non-Fender parts, but perhaps a Fender waterslide decal on the headstock. These guitars serve two purposes, they protect his investment in his good guitars, and they provide his band with a professional image. People on this board would perhaps spot these guitars, but 90% of bar folks just see name brand guitars. In my eyes, everyone wins. He uses tools for his job that appear to be the industry standard, thus he and his band are winners. The two big name guitar companies win by having people think they are seeing their products being used professionally. Anyone playing in bars and dragging around three thousand dollar Les Pauls and thousand dollar Strats to bars and festivals is going to end up with a horror story at some point. Guitars get knocked over, they get stolen, and **** falls on them. If this is part of Aces thought process I’d call it smart thinking.
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Ssshhh...you're making way too much sense.
 
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Just buy the proper gear. Buy a genuine second hand gibson if you cant afford a new one. Kirk Hammett worked in burger king when he was young to afford a flying v and an amp. Did he settle for any chinese knockoffs, no!


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My band made a point of sanding or covering all logos. Our gear wasn't expensive, but it wasn't cheap; logos got ripped off the Fender Tonemaster and Mesa amps & cabs, painted over on two of my somewhat middle-higher end Ibanezes (we were basically Nu-Metal dip****s, what can I say,) and I don't even remember what bass equipment was used because all the logos were molested off.

Maybe if we used Squiers we wouldn't have sanded that off though- in my opinion, if you're playing honest, cheap gear, own up to it and let your playing speak for itself. I'd rather be the guy who's really rocking that Squier, than the guy who half of anyone paying attention thinks overpaid for his guitar, and the other half realizes it's a fake and is rolling their eyes. And who pays attention- If you're in a bar band, no one cares you only have a Cort or Squier (or if you sanded the logos.) If you're in a band that is any sort of renowned and just need/want the Gibson or Fender logo for whatever reason, then for ~$200 - $600 you can have that logo on something you don't have to worry about, and you can leave your $5k guitars at home.

I own a guitar that might fall into the 'fake' category; a Squier someone slapped a Fender decal on (it still says 'Squier' on the back of the headstock.) I don't feel like putting effort into a freaking decal either way. I wouldn't have done it myself, but I also don't want to put in the time to remove it (though as mentioned, I used to do just that. Guess I'm over it.) I do a consider it somewhat of an ethical dilemma; I would sand it off if I was selling, if only to avoid someone trying to flip it- Still, caveat emptor; there are two dozen 'gives' on the guitar, and if you don't do your research when you buy consumer goods that part is on you. Still I wonder how many of those companies would take directions to spec. an outright forgery if asked.
 
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Since automobiles are among the most expensive things most of us own, I’m going to stop driving my good car around town where something can happen to it. I’m going to buy a Trabant and put Honda logos on it for day-to-day driving. The other drivers will never know the difference, and Honda will certainly benefit from the exposure.
 
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