Chinese copies keep getting better & better!

J Moose

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HA! Nice attention to detail on this one...

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http://www.ioffer.com/i/Gibson-Jazz-Superme-Electric-Guitar--125859513
 
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Ha, that's awesome. Why isn't there strings.. oh. :D
 
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Looking though their stock, it looks like they've copied everything right except for the Rickenbackers! They must be scared of the Ric-police!!!!
 
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There's an excellent article on counterfeit guitars in Premier Guitar this month... anyone else read it?
 
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BTW... WHERE IS THE STOPTAIL OF THAT GUITAR???


I dunno kid.

You tell me!

HA!

Anyone look at the other pics? I love the truss rod cover almost as much;

"Les Paul Custom"

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Sure... sure it is.
 
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Being the "Jazz Superme" model means you can get away with a lot of things the regular Jazz model can't
 
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Being the "Jazz Superme" model means you can get away with a lot of things the regular Jazz model can't

Call me picky but I'd still like some strings... or at least something to anchor them to. hehehe
 
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Anyone look at the other pics? I love the truss rod cover almost as much;

"Les Paul Custom"

You wanna know the awful thing? in spite of the missing tailpiece, the truss rodd cover was among the first things I looked at!
 
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Hilarious they forgot to drill the stop tail... heh...

Also hilarious that, despite that, they DID bother to bind inside the F-holes!
 
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I think it's awesome that they completely forgot the stop tail :D

The one scary thing I do see about all of this though is that they're figuring out decal placement and the proper headstock shape. I was afraid they'd eventually figure that out. With quality parts, a Chinese Gibson may be much more difficult to figure out from online pictures (a very bad thing for Gibson buyers).
 
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It's not THAT big of a deal. As long as you don't buy anything shipped from China and avoid any Gibson that advertises "Authenic Less Pole Sound Pickups" or "Sonorous volume of lucky dragon" you'll be alright.
 
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IMHO, Koreans are where Japanish were in the 80's and Chinesse are were Koreans were no so many years ago...

IMO, the Chinese have blown past the Koreans. The high-end stuff coming out of the Grand Reward factory in Southern China is right up there with anything that's ever come out of Korea.

And as for the Eastman jazz guitars, mandolins and acoustic guitars being hand-built in Beijing, there's never been production Korean instruments that came close to that quality level.

It's true that the vast majority of Chinese guitars are cheap on all accounts. But that's because the brands that buy them, position them for low-cost price points. The reason for that is consumer perception and expectation. Folks aren't willing to pay as much for a Chinese instrument as a Mexican or USA-built instrument. But if the Chinese want -- and the customers are willing to pay for it -- they can build electric guitars just about as well as anyone. There was a steep learning curve, but they came up it very quickly.

As for the counterfeiters, I was made aware of pirated Seymour Duncan pickups installed on fake guitars. I hired a Chinese lawyer, we got an investigation going, a bunch of the big guitar companies got a parallel investigation going, and then we got the government to conduct a raid, confiscate guitars and put some folks in jail. That was sweet.

I have a fake ESP Lynch tiger stripe in my office. Most folks, including George, think it's the real thing from five feet away. And for $330 shipped, it's not a bad guitar.

But it's theft, plain and simple.
 
Re: Chinese copies keep getting better & better!

IMO, the Chinese have blown past the Koreans. The high-end stuff coming out of the Grand Reward factory in Southern China is right up there with anything that's ever come out of Korea.

And as for the Eastman jazz guitars, mandolins and acoustic guitars being hand-built in Beijing, there's never been production Korean instruments that came close to that quality level.

It's true that the vast majority of Chinese guitars are cheap on all accounts. But that's because the brands that buy them, position them for low-cost price points. The reason for that is consumer perception and expectation. Folks aren't willing to pay as much for a Chinese instrument as a Mexican or USA-built instrument. But if the Chinese want -- and the customers are willing to pay for it -- they can build electric guitars just about as well as anyone. There was a steep learning curve, but they came up it very quickly.

As for the counterfeiters, I was made aware of pirated Seymour Duncan pickups installed on fake guitars. I hired a Chinese lawyer, we got an investigation going, a bunch of the big guitar companies got a parallel investigation going, and then we got the government to conduct a raid, confiscate guitars and put some folks in jail. That was sweet.

I have a fake ESP Lynch tiger stripe in my office. Most folks, including George, think it's the real thing from five feet away. And for $330 shipped, it's not a bad guitar.

But it's theft, plain and simple.

Wow, you actually got the Chinese govt. to co-operate?!?

I was under the impression they were not taking IP theft seriously at all.
 
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Wow, you actually got the Chinese govt. to co-operate?!?

I was under the impression they were not taking IP theft seriously at all.

Here's the story in Premier Guitar. The reason Seymour Duncan isn't mentioned is that the story is the result of a press release by the guitar coalition. But our investigation happened at the same time and the raids they mention are the same raids our Chinese counsel instigated.
 
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Seriously, where did you take that pic from?

I found a local listing for an ES355 with a crazy price & traced it back to that site... had a look at some of the other offerings & just about fell out of my chair laughing when I saw that ES with no tailpiece!
 
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