Closer to something like an H9 to round out my rig

[NegativeEase]

So, I need digital delay back on my board for my new project, and just a touch of chorus -but getting a great multi effects unit could also replace my pitchfork and analog carbon copy.... so subtract 2 pedals from board and add 1 without adding 2 more to finish out the board. win win win

So while I'm not looking to mess with my Overdrives, Compression, or Tremelo setups that are in discrete pedals

-so I think 1 multi effect pedal to give me the flexibility of delays, chorus, and other things to grow with would be a nice way to finish it off....

Anyways, I'm leaning towards an Eventide H9 -I like the front end simplicity and back end power but need to look into where the delay power stops and starts inside that ecosystem -if the Empress or Walrus products were a little more broad in scope and power -I think they might work nicely.

***EDIT*** following up on Securb's EOL comment about the H9 on another thread -after talking with Eventide about this today - don't think H9 is a viable option for me either -as Eventide are not planning on developing new algorithms at all -this concerns me -that means not enough people have joined the ecosystem to make this product viable in the future for new updates and upgrades. not sure I want to back myself in a corner with a mostly software product that doesn't have an enthusiastic future.

-I'm probably less interested in more Strymon or any large format pedal/workstation (everyone and their brother is using those sounds right now and I'm not doing ambient soundscaping either plus I do a lot of travel -I link to keep things small and powerful), The Boss 500 and 1000 look promising, but I have mental issues with Line 6 products -not sure I could make the jump to the company that plastered fake plastic heat sinks on pedals and amplifiers for years -the scar is deep.

thoughts?

 

[PFDarkside]

Do you need chorus and delay at the same time?

 

[NegativeEase]

Do you need chorus and delay at the same time?

Yes

 

[Drak]

Can the Neunaber Expanse handle that?

 

[PFDarkside]

Yes

Well you could always do two H9s?

Even reverb and delay at the same time has to be handled through a single algorithm that does both (as opposed to the many algorithms that are stand alone).

How many chorus and other mod sounds do you need? I’m still a massive fan of my old Voodoo Lab Analog Chorus. Both knobs down for that floating sound, bring the depth up for classic clean chorus and Max the rate, bring the depth down for faux chorus. No presets but I know the pedal so well that they may as well be presets.

On the other hand, an HX Effect or even an FM3 would be overkill but completely awesome!

 

[NegativeEase]

Well you could always do two H9s?

Even reverb and delay at the same time has to be handled through a single algorithm that does both (as opposed to the many algorithms that are stand alone).

How many chorus and other mod sounds do you need? I’m still a massive fan of my old Voodoo Lab Analog Chorus. Both knobs down for that floating sound, bring the depth up for classic clean chorus and Max the rate, bring the depth down for faux chorus. No presets but I know the pedal so well that they may as well be presets.

On the other hand, an HX Effect or even an FM3 would be overkill but completely awesome!

Interesting, I have to think on how many total delay effects I need -I only need one always on light chorus tone -how difficult is it to add a chorus algorithms to multiple Delay algorithms

-although look at my edit in the OP in red...

Eventide is mum on any new products or timeline and the H9 is being aged out -so I probably need to think more on my exact needs.

 

[PFDarkside]

Does modulated delay work? A little more subtle than the digital delay plus chorus sound... or are you going full on Landeau?

 

[NegativeEase]

Does modulated delay work? A little more subtle than the digital delay plus chorus sound... or are you going full on Landeau?

I need digital to double and triple on some soaring type leads

 

[Securb]

***EDIT*** following up on Securb's EOL comment about the H9 on another thread -after talking with Eventide about this today - don't think H9 is a viable option for me either -as Eventide are not planning on developing new algorithms at all -this concerns me -that means not enough people have joined the ecosystem to make this product viable in the future for new updates and upgrades. not sure I want to back myself in a corner with a mostly software product that doesn't have an enthusiastic future.

Kinda silly. It is like saying you won't buy a D+ because they haven't updated the tech since the 70's or an Echoplex because it hasn't been updated since the 60's. If the pedal scratches all of your itches buy it.

 

[NegativeEase]

Kinda silly. It is like saying you won't buy a D+ because they haven't updated the tech since the 70's or an Echoplex because it hasn't been updated since the 60's. If the pedal scratches all of your itches buy it.

I disagree completely, The D+ wasn't ever designed to be supported or have new features -it was a single purpose piece of hardware -it's not a valid comparison at all.

because the pedal is an software ecosystem with a algorithm market attached they are ditching and was designed to grow and develop and instead they are moving on -I think it's completely reasonable to wait on their new effort or look elsewhere -

When was the H9 originally released?

 

[Mincer]

I understand this, because I thought the H9 was advertised as getting new algorithms frequently. It was like buying a piece of hardware that might do something you can't dream of now happening in a few months. But as a fixed pedal, the value is different. I can see if it is EOL, the price should go down.

 

[PFDarkside]

More importantly, it seems like an “H10” is imminent with more power, more storage and lessons learned from the H9.

 

[Bogner]

Free The Tone Pedals - Future Factory has a lot of modulation options with the delay and the Flight Time is amazing as well. May be something in them that works for you. Stellar pedals regardless as is their Chorus, etc.

https://www.freethetone.com/en/products/detail43/

 

[devastone]

TC Flashback X4, you can set up one of the channels as the subtle chorus with the modulation and the delay time turned down. That gives you 2 delay channels to work with. *EDIT* the form factor may be a little large, but it is a nice unit, bet you've never heard that before. And, the video below is the single Flashback, the X4 is 3 in one.

Or just get a HX Effects box that does everything *EDIT*, I didn't read close enough, I understand the Line 6 blockage, although, they are owned by Yamaha now.

 

[Mincer]

1 for the HX Effects, if you could deal with Line 6. That Flashback idea is a good one, too, as you can mimic a lot of effects with the Tone Print software. The hard part is that you can't switch between all these sounds- you have to bend down and turn the knob.

 

[Securb]

I think I stated my case incorrectly. The H9 is packed with great algorithms for almost anything you could desire. Yes, it is soon to be locked but that doesn't diminish the power of the device. People will be buying H9s for decades after the H10, H11 or H12 comes out. And if I know guitar players, and I do they will flock to the original or vintage pedal. If anyone can get a good deal on an H9 I would say go for it.

 

[NegativeEase]

I think I stated my case incorrectly. The H9 is packed with great algorithms for almost anything you could desire. Yes, it is soon to be locked but that doesn't diminish the power of the device. People will be buying H9s for decades after the H10, H11 or H12 comes out. And if I know guitar players, and I do they will flock to the original or vintage pedal. If anyone can get a good deal on an H9 I would say go for it.

Yeah that makes sense -my point was -they sold the pedal and ecosystem on the promise of algorithm development and a market place to expand and that has now been 86'd. The product is 7 years old -so I can't be irritated -but clearly whatever they are cooking up (H10?) won't be compatible with the marketplace vision of the H9 and since they have not announced the timeline for anything new, haven't reduced the cost of the H9 (with no more features or market wouldn't the value of the pedal need correction as a stand alone product as is?) I think I will pass but sure it's a great tool as is.

I think when you put the promise of feature additions and ongoing flexibility in your marketing and vision for a product ecosystem especially at a very premium price point -a product like this that gets to EOL suddenly has a different value to be evaluated -look at Empress Echosystem -they pitched free ongoing feature additions to that pedal from day one -and people who bought have been given new cool things since as promised -they add looper features to the pedal last month!

 

[Bogner]

Maybe I am out of the FX loop (see what I did there ) But I wasn't aware the H9 was coming to an end? Eventide has been good about updates (to my knowledge) and supporting their products.

 

[devastone]

1 for the HX Effects, if you could deal with Line 6. That Flashback idea is a good one, too, as you can mimic a lot of effects with the Tone Print software. The hard part is that you can't switch between all these sounds- you have to bend down and turn the knob.

Yes, the video only shows the single channel Flashback because it was a good example of setting it for a chorus, I actually mentioned the X4 version which is like having 3 of the Flashbacks in one pedal (and yes, X3 seems more appropriate, but no one asked me).

 

[NegativeEase]

Maybe I am out of the FX loop (see what I did there ) But I wasn't aware the H9 was coming to an end? Eventide has been good about updates (to my knowledge) and supporting their products.

Yep -thats what we are covering in the recent posts..

With no H10 timeline announced -not even a taste, and the H9 algorithm and market abandoned after 7 years and the H9 Max price the same as always -I'm not sure getting an H9 is the best path for me -I'd like something that is supported and growing.

Sort of why I wrote "something like an H9"