hessodreamy
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About to put some Seth Lovers in my hollow body. Anyone used them with a coil split? Any good? Or is it already too low an output?
Coil tapping Seth Lovers?
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Hyperborea
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Re: Coil tapping Seth Lovers?
There's a guy on eBay who sells 4 conductor Seth's that he says are Hamer overstock. So, perhaps Hamer uses Seth's on a guitar with a coil split?
There's a guy on eBay who sells 4 conductor Seth's that he says are Hamer overstock. So, perhaps Hamer uses Seth's on a guitar with a coil split?
LtKojak
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Re: Coil tapping Seth Lovers?
Seths can be ordered as 4-conductor.
to hessodreamy: what is "too low of an output" for you? I have a Seth Lover set in my Gibson L-5 CES copy and the coil-cut setting is quite useable, even though it's my Jazz box. I don't play this guitar with a lot of gain, it's not meant to.
Seths can be ordered as 4-conductor.
to hessodreamy: what is "too low of an output" for you? I have a Seth Lover set in my Gibson L-5 CES copy and the coil-cut setting is quite useable, even though it's my Jazz box. I don't play this guitar with a lot of gain, it's not meant to.
hessodreamy
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I can see how this may be true, so was hoping to hear from anyone who had tried it. Other people have also said that it doesn't sound great on its own, but 1 cout coil sounds great in parallel with the other 'bucker.
By "too low" I was merely voicing other people's concerns, such as Mr. B, above, that half a SL would be almost nothing at all.
I can see how this may be true, so was hoping to hear from anyone who had tried it. Other people have also said that it doesn't sound great on its own, but 1 cout coil sounds great in parallel with the other 'bucker.
LtKojak
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Obviously, Mr.B have never owned a guitar with a Seth Lover set, let alone one with 4 conductor leads.
Robben Ford had a Duncan '59 set (which is very close to the SL set, spec-wise) in his Fender signature guitar and recorded what I consider on of his best tone and playing and he used the coil cut in several of those tracks. Also many of the tracks of his "Supernatural" album were cut with his Sakashta NuPaul using Jim Rolph PAFs using the coil cut feature.
Unless your expecting to use the coil cut feature for playing high gain liquid leads and riffs, the feature won't dissapoint you. In my case, I use it mostly to do chord work that have to be low in volume but have to cut through the mix.
So, don't believe everything you read in the Internet, as most what's written is merely parroting of hearsay.
HTH,
Obviously, Mr.B have never owned a guitar with a Seth Lover set, let alone one with 4 conductor leads.
Robben Ford had a Duncan '59 set (which is very close to the SL set, spec-wise) in his Fender signature guitar and recorded what I consider on of his best tone and playing and he used the coil cut in several of those tracks. Also many of the tracks of his "Supernatural" album were cut with his Sakashta NuPaul using Jim Rolph PAFs using the coil cut feature.
Unless your expecting to use the coil cut feature for playing high gain liquid leads and riffs, the feature won't dissapoint you. In my case, I use it mostly to do chord work that have to be low in volume but have to cut through the mix.
So, don't believe everything you read in the Internet, as most what's written is merely parroting of hearsay.
HTH,
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hessodreamy
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Re: Coil tapping Seth Lovers?
Wise words. Thanks for the positive words. Just got to get some push/pull pots now.
blueman335
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PAF's are other low output HB's will sound better slipt in the neck slot than the bridge. In the neck they get the extra mids and lows from all the string vibration, which more than offsets any increased resistence (ohms) that the bridge may have.
PAF's are other low output HB's will sound better slipt in the neck slot than the bridge. In the neck they get the extra mids and lows from all the string vibration, which more than offsets any increased resistence (ohms) that the bridge may have.
Mr. B
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Re: Coil tapping Seth Lovers?
Mr. B have too owned a set of Seth Lovers. He have owned, and still is having owned two sets right now. :nana:
I don't believe everything I read on the internet either. Why don't you show us your 4 conductor Seth set ? In all my years buying and trying pickups, I have never seen or heard of such a thing..
I am merely pointing out that most of the pickups I see people coil tapping are higher power pickups than the Seths, that way when you tap the coil, you still have a pickup that is not too bright and weak. The OP asked... I gave him my best guess. If you know better, post a sound clip to prove it...
Mr. B have too owned a set of Seth Lovers. He have owned, and still is having owned two sets right now. :nana:
I don't believe everything I read on the internet either. Why don't you show us your 4 conductor Seth set ? In all my years buying and trying pickups, I have never seen or heard of such a thing..
I am merely pointing out that most of the pickups I see people coil tapping are higher power pickups than the Seths, that way when you tap the coil, you still have a pickup that is not too bright and weak. The OP asked... I gave him my best guess. If you know better, post a sound clip to prove it...
LtKojak
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Your wish is my command...
"Guess" is the key word here, Mr. B.
You told him what you "thought".
I told him what I KNOW.
Happy now? :naughty:
Your wish is my command...
"Guess" is the key word here, Mr. B.
You told him what you "thought".
I told him what I KNOW.
Happy now? :naughty:
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LtKojak
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Re: Coil tapping Seth Lovers?
First I've shown PROOF of something you've DENIED the very existence.
You challenged me and I came up with the goods.
I PROVED YOU WRONG.
So, now it's up to YOU to provide with clips that prove what I say is wrong.
Mr.B, you're on. NOW it's time to PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS.
Are you up to it? I didn't think so either...:scratchch
First I've shown PROOF of something you've DENIED the very existence.
You challenged me and I came up with the goods.
I PROVED YOU WRONG.
So, now it's up to YOU to provide with clips that prove what I say is wrong.
Mr.B, you're on. NOW it's time to PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS.
Are you up to it? I didn't think so either...:scratchch
UberMetalDood
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Re: Coil tapping Seth Lovers?
Enough already drama queens.
Hey OP, I have a pair of Set Lovers I played with in my strat. They sound freaking awesome, but they may be too bluesy for my tastes. They're very clean sounding, low output pickups, but I think they have enough output to get a good tapped sound.
With Pearly Gates and Custom Custom's in my strats, I like to roll off the tone knob just a little, but the Seth Lovers seem to have that quality on their own. They're comparable to the Pearly Gates except a little less bright and instead of having as much upper mids, it has a little more low mids. They sound thick and have a vintage attack. I can see them being the kind of pickups Joe Bonamassa might use in some of his Les Pauls if he were to pick some Duncans.
Enough already drama queens.
Hey OP, I have a pair of Set Lovers I played with in my strat. They sound freaking awesome, but they may be too bluesy for my tastes. They're very clean sounding, low output pickups, but I think they have enough output to get a good tapped sound.
With Pearly Gates and Custom Custom's in my strats, I like to roll off the tone knob just a little, but the Seth Lovers seem to have that quality on their own. They're comparable to the Pearly Gates except a little less bright and instead of having as much upper mids, it has a little more low mids. They sound thick and have a vintage attack. I can see them being the kind of pickups Joe Bonamassa might use in some of his Les Pauls if he were to pick some Duncans.
Mr. B
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In case you missed your own post... You're the one with the coil tapped Seth Lover you silly goose, not me ! :smack:
I could frankly care less what it sounds like, because i have several strats full of single coils if I want a single coil sound.
I was offering a guess based on my experience with tapped pickups which is limited to myself, and others I know, coil tapping HOTTER pickups. If you know better you can post your experience without accusing me of never having heard a Seth Lover.
You were the one who started boasting that you knew more than us, and had seen pickups that Jeremy and I are not familiar with. One that is not listed on the Duncan website, nor has it ever been on the Duncan website. You were the one with a claim to prove, and you are still the one who claims that the Seth tapped sounds great. I doubt I will tap one any time soon to prove YOUR point for you... so, don't hold your breath. :28:
In case you missed your own post... You're the one with the coil tapped Seth Lover you silly goose, not me ! :smack:
I could frankly care less what it sounds like, because i have several strats full of single coils if I want a single coil sound.
I was offering a guess based on my experience with tapped pickups which is limited to myself, and others I know, coil tapping HOTTER pickups. If you know better you can post your experience without accusing me of never having heard a Seth Lover.
You were the one who started boasting that you knew more than us, and had seen pickups that Jeremy and I are not familiar with. One that is not listed on the Duncan website, nor has it ever been on the Duncan website. You were the one with a claim to prove, and you are still the one who claims that the Seth tapped sounds great. I doubt I will tap one any time soon to prove YOUR point for you... so, don't hold your breath. :28:
Mark Le Comte
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Kojak, you really are knowledgeable but this approach will not work. If I had 4 con seths I could easily post a clip of them sounding bad. Heck, give me any great guitar and I could post a clip of it sounding bad but that will not prove anything. To prove that they can sound good we need a clip of them sounding good.
Personally, I have never tried splitting low output buckers and am interested to hear what they sound like.
Kojak, you really are knowledgeable but this approach will not work. If I had 4 con seths I could easily post a clip of them sounding bad. Heck, give me any great guitar and I could post a clip of it sounding bad but that will not prove anything. To prove that they can sound good we need a clip of them sounding good.
Personally, I have never tried splitting low output buckers and am interested to hear what they sound like.
Mr. B
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Actually, you didn't prove me wrong at all. I said I had never seen or heard of them before, which was, and is, a true statement.
Actually, you didn't prove me wrong at all. I said I had never seen or heard of them before, which was, and is, a true statement.
LtKojak
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Re: Coil tapping Seth Lovers?
http://www.seymourduncan.com/products/electric/humbucker/vintage-output/sh55_seth_lover/
Copy and paste from SD's website:
It has ALWAYS been there, since the introduction of the Seth Lover.
You just didn't care to look, most probably because you assume that everything you don't know it just doesn't exist.
Anyway, after the last post in this very thread it's obvious you're on a witchhunt with me, so... congratulations! You're the first ever to make it to my ignore list.
http://www.seymourduncan.com/products/electric/humbucker/vintage-output/sh55_seth_lover/
Copy and paste from SD's website:
It has ALWAYS been there, since the introduction of the Seth Lover.
You just didn't care to look, most probably because you assume that everything you don't know it just doesn't exist.
Anyway, after the last post in this very thread it's obvious you're on a witchhunt with me, so... congratulations! You're the first ever to make it to my ignore list.
Mr. B
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Whatever dude. If you want to insult people who post trying to answer a question people have based on their personal knowledge, imply that they have no experience with pickups they actually DO own, insist that your opinion is better than everyone else's, and then challenge them to "prove" a point that you (and not they) were trying to make, and then add them to your ignore list.... have fun.
It is confrontive people like you, who would rather insult than inform, who make me wonder why I even try to communicate with fellow guitar players on this site as often as I do.
Sorry to the OP for clouding up your seemingly simple question thread. I hope you find an actual answer.
Whatever dude. If you want to insult people who post trying to answer a question people have based on their personal knowledge, imply that they have no experience with pickups they actually DO own, insist that your opinion is better than everyone else's, and then challenge them to "prove" a point that you (and not they) were trying to make, and then add them to your ignore list.... have fun.
It is confrontive people like you, who would rather insult than inform, who make me wonder why I even try to communicate with fellow guitar players on this site as often as I do.
Sorry to the OP for clouding up your seemingly simple question thread. I hope you find an actual answer.
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hessodreamy
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Re: Coil tapping Seth Lovers?
Well, if you guys have had your fun now...:naughty:
I've only got the neck pickup for now (yes, I can confirm it's a 4 conductor). I finally got round to installing it, and it sounds sweeet. While I was there I tried clipping the coil join to the ground. It did sound really nice. A little generic-single-coil, but very usable.
So that's the neck. How it works with the bridge is another matter entirely... Will post opinions (and maybe sound clips) when I've got the bridge in.
Well, if you guys have had your fun now...:naughty:
I've only got the neck pickup for now (yes, I can confirm it's a 4 conductor). I finally got round to installing it, and it sounds sweeet. While I was there I tried clipping the coil join to the ground. It did sound really nice. A little generic-single-coil, but very usable.
So that's the neck. How it works with the bridge is another matter entirely... Will post opinions (and maybe sound clips) when I've got the bridge in.
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