Combination Delay/Looper

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gvis

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I never thought I'd be interested, but I think I'd like a pedal that loops and allows me to jam over. I've done some searches here and the digitech jam man comes recommended, but I also see digitech has the timebender, with a 20 second loop, which I think would be enough for meand would a lot of delay options as well. Oh, and I want to avoid having to buy extra pedals to get it to work with full functionality.

I also see the boss dd-20, but I'm not sure if it loops or not.

It would be my first looper, so I'm not even sure what features I should be concerned with.

I do use my n12/cubase setup to record and riff over, but that means booting it up each time and fussing around with starts and stops, etc. It'd be nice to have something ready for when I'm just jamming. Plus I may like it for live use, once I finally start that up again.

Ready to be enlightened....
 
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I own the Akai Headrush E2... Love it. Simple, great sound and infinite layering...

THere's a thread about it here....
 
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If you're just wanting a single pedal for delay and looping, the Boss DD-7 and Hardwire DL-8 are both very good. I like the DD-7 a little more though because it has a 40 second looper while the Hardwire has a 20 second. And the DD-7's looper is just a little easier to use also.
 
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The Line6 DL4 has loops and delay available at the same time...also Digitech makes the Jamman Delay, a big looper with delay pedal. The DD-20 is a great pedal too, but in the end you have to decide how you want to use loops.
 
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Surgeon said:
I own the Akai Headrush E2... Love it. Simple, great sound and infinite layering....
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Sweet! Cheaper and smaller, and still has delays. How quiet is yours? I've found some reviews that say it's very nice but a little noisy.
 
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The DD-20 is nice. I love mine. It certainly does a Lot. The Sound on Sound option is referred to as a looper but I wouldn't consider it a legitimate loop. It's fun to play around with. Or to have a short passage to play over. But I could never use it in a live setting.
 
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Mincer said:
in the end you have to decide how you want to use loops.
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I think that's the kicker....I'm not sure yet...lol. At first I thought 20 seconds of one simple recorded passage in a loop that lets me play over it for fun was enough, but I see some allow layers and layers of passages, which I'm interested in. I saw Gian Marco from Peru do that live last year and it was amazing.

And I have been wanting spacey sounds in my arsenal, and it looks like the time bender has some of that. Maybe the Akai does to. Whatever I can pack into a $300 budget is fine...the more the better. But sound quality cannot suffer, as in no noise when in use or not, and no noticeable affect on tone when bypassed. And it has to be reasonably easy to use live.

I can also see a need for smooth cut-offs with fade outs, so that there's no abrupt end of the loop, if needed.

Lots to consider..
 
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Wholy crap, that digitech jam delay covers it all.....but it's so big. not gonna fit on the pedal board. but I want it.

I also checked out the digitech jam man. Doesn't appear to ahve a delay, but looks like a very feature filled looper, and small enough for my board. Maybe that's the route, with a separate, smaller delay only pedal.

So many choices.
 
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gvis said:
Sweet! Cheaper and smaller, and still has delays. How quiet is yours? I've found some reviews that say it's very nice but a little noisy.
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I can't think of anything negative noise/tone-wise... very good tone with no added noise with my acoustic (using a duncan Mag-mic).
 
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gvis said:
I think that's the kicker....I'm not sure yet...lol. At first I thought 20 seconds of one simple recorded passage in a loop that lets me play over it for fun was enough, but I see some allow layers and layers of passages, which I'm interested in. I saw Gian Marco from Peru do that live last year and it was amazing.

And I have been wanting spacey sounds in my arsenal, and it looks like the time bender has some of that. Maybe the Akai does to. Whatever I can pack into a $300 budget is fine...the more the better. But sound quality cannot suffer, as in no noise when in use or not, and no noticeable affect on tone when bypassed. And it has to be reasonably easy to use live.

I can also see a need for smooth cut-offs with fade outs, so that there's no abrupt end of the loop, if needed.

Lots to consider..
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Then what you want is the DL4.

16 seconds (i think) of loop time. It'll allow you to lay down a measure. You have the ability to layer up as much as you want ontop of it. When your done, you can actually fade out the loop.

Also, it works well for live shows. I'll use it to either thicken up a heavy riff, add strumming to single picked notes or vice versa, due secondary guitar parts over a rhythm part, or loop the rhythm part to solo over.
 
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Nice, I'll check out the DL4 as well. Thanks everyone. Very helpful info.
 
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I can't speak enough praises for my TC Electronic Flashback

the Akai Headrush and Line 6 DL4 are also great options. I wasn't as fond of the Hardwire or DD7/DD20 options. The flashback pretty much slayed them with both sound quality and loop time.
 
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Well, I spent some time with the time bender manual, and it does allow multiple overdubs, as well as its own effects over the new current, non-recorded signal.

Didn't see anything on controlling fade out. Do I really need that, or do standard loopers have a gentle cut-off built into them? Sorry, I really am completely ignorant on this.

I think 20 seconds is enough for most 4 bar rock phrases. Given all the other cool delay effects, I'm starting to lean towards this thing.

Otherwise I'm leaning towards the jam man. It seems the biggest differences between the two is one has delay and the other more loop functionality, such as storing, etc. Not sure I need to save them. But maybe it's an easier way to save my song ideas each night, instead of booting up the n12, setting the mics displaced by my son's band, and recording that way.

Does anyone use jam man type units for saving song ideas? I'm guessing there's software you use to manage them on your pc? If that's the case, that could steer me into solely looper territory.
 
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Spent more time on this. Still a hard decision, but I'm nbow leaning towards the jam man delay. For an extra $50 I get some delays, fade out control, and ability to bring the last recorded overdub in and out; all on top of the ability to store a lot of loops (and their related overdubs) and call them back as needed.

I can live with only being able to work with three saved delay models at one time, but I'm more concerned with the quality of the delays. Based on internet reviews, it's loking like some are very good and useful, while others are not so good. If that's the case, I can still live it, knowing I can get can at least some useful and unique delay sounds, hopefully including some nice atmospheric type stuff.

It's also not as large as I thought and will fit my board.

Anyone here use this pedal and have any thoughts on it, including the delays?
 
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2 of my students have the Jamman Delay, so I have used it a bit- I think the delays sound really good, actually.
 
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The TC Electronics Flashback Delay/Looper is awesome and priced pretty decently at around $150...I've had my eyes on this one now for awhile and it may be my next pedal purchase...
 
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STRATDELUXER97 said:
The TC Electronics Flashback Delay/Looper is awesome and priced pretty decently at around $150...I've had my eyes on this one now for awhile and it may be my next pedal purchase...
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It looks nice, it's sized nice, and is priced nicely, but I'm not it sure covers what I need. It seems more like a strong delay with not as string a looper/storage than a strong looper/storage with not as strong delays, which I think is more the direction I'm going.

I have to say I'm getting more and more excited about a tool like this. I forgot how much I hate booting up my pc/cubase just to quickly record ideas or jam over tracks; emphasis on quick because I just dont have the time and patience I used to have.
 
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Just to close the loop on this...lol...I went with the jam man delay, and so far I'm loving it. Very addicting. And the delays are better than I expected. Thanks everyone for all your input on this.

i'll post a clip of it with the new setup when the rest of my setup work is done.
 
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