Comparison - I would love to see more of this kind of stuff!

[aaronl]

I would REALLY love to see more of this kind of stuff, maybe I can hook my camera up and try to do this but its just a regular 8mm not digital.

Anyway here is the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MC0tASffVvE
I was impressed in the differences.

He says later in the post he did this:
"The Duncans I put in are Alnico Pro IIs, in both neck and bridge position respectively.
The Gibson were 490R in the neck and 490T in the bridge.
I made the recording very quickly just for comparison."
They were in a Les Paul

 

[bigheadood]

Re: Comparison - I would love to see more of this kind of stuff!

Wow...I didn't expect that much difference. We definitely need more of this kind of stuff.

 

[aaronl]

Re: Comparison - I would love to see more of this kind of stuff!

Yeah sound clips are good but wow i just thought that was great

 

[jerryjg]

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Wow...I didn't expect that much difference. We definitely need more of this kind of stuff.

Id agree except that pretty much everyone here knows the AP2 kills the 490T/R.

 

[aaronl]

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Id agree except that prety much everyome here knows the AP2 kills the 490T/R.

Not newbies like me that don't know much about pickups etc :boggled:

 

[jerryjg]

Re: Comparison - I would love to see more of this kind of stuff!

Not newbies like me that don't know much about pickups etc :boggled:

OIC. yeah, except the dude didnt compensate for the difference in output on those two trials. He cranked the amp to one level and gave it hell with both pickups i think, which is an awefull way to judge pickups, because if you turned the amp knobs to equalise the output for the hotter wind of the 490T/R, you may get a similar sound on both pickups at that same level.
Best way is just to do a search on the Duncan Forums.
Lots of strong advice.. or start a thread.
IMO there are some great clips on you tube , and probably not enough comparing pickups, but that wasnt a great clip, it was awefull, but your right, the idea is good, there should be more.

 

[aaronl]

Re: Comparison - I would love to see more of this kind of stuff!

I see what you are saying...

I guess I liked it because u could really hear a difference right up front like apples to apples in a sense BECAUSE there were no other changes if that makes sense.

I dont have the time money or well energy to buy a bunch of stuff and try it all so I gotta read/ask look etc

Does any of the forum members with a lot of experience have some clips etc? The duncan site clips are good but so short u know.

 

[idsnowdog]

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OIC. yeah, except the dude didnt compensate for the difference in output on those two trials. He cranked the amp to one level and gave it hell with both pickups i think, which is an awefull way to judge pickups, because if you turned the amp knobs to equalise the output for the hotter wind of the 490T/R, you may get a similar sound on both pickups at that same level.
Best way is just to do a search on the Duncan Forums.
Lots of strong advice.. or start a thread.
IMO there are some great clips on you tube , and probably not enough comparing pickups, but that wasnt a great clip, it was awefull, but your right, the idea is good, there should be more.

If he did readjust his gain, volume and EQ it wouldn't be a valid test anymore. Whether he intended to or not he ran a valid test by NOT changing his amps setup. You can't test with one criteria or inputs and then another set and have valid test results.

 

[bigheadood]

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I agree with snowdog...Keep settings the same.

I did not like the clips much, but the difference in pickups was quite impressive.

 

[jerryjg]

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If he did readjust his gain, volume and EQ it wouldn't be a valid test anymore. Whether he intended to or not he ran a valid test by NOT changing his amps setup. You can't test with one criteria or inputs and then another set and have valid test results.

If thats true, then waht they ssay is also true-you tube clip comparisons completely suck.
There needs to be some type of 'eq'ing of the amp to compansate for higher resistance the amp is seeing in the case of the low output AP2 vs.thhe 490T/R.
Even an F'tard could see that. You dont take a 17.3 k output pickup and send it through the amp at the same level to contrast it to the cleans of a 7.2K pickup.
I think the whole thing with pickups are that the demos are just too simplistic. YOu should be able to demonstrate the diffrence with the amp eq's the same fr both mismatched pickups, but waaaay more imporatantly would be to eq the amp to show what both pickups do at the relatively same output level.

 

[bigheadood]

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Even an F'tard could see that. You dont take a 17.3 k output pickup and send it through the amp at the same level to contrast it to the cleans of a 7.2K pickup.

Of course us F'tards can see it. We want to hear it. The DC resistance (not output) of the pickup significantly affects the tone.

We're not trying to see how close we can make a JB sound like a Seth Lover here. We're trying to hear the differences. Same settings is the only way.

 

[jerryjg]

Re: Comparison - I would love to see more of this kind of stuff!

Of course us F'tards can see it. We want to hear it. The DC resistance (not output) of the pickup significantly affects the tone.

We're not trying to see how close we can make a JB sound like a Seth Lover here. We're trying to hear the differences. Same settings is the only way.

I think we should meet in the middle. I belive both values of the pickups are equally important-

 

[Artie]

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If he did readjust his gain, volume and EQ it wouldn't be a valid test anymore. Whether he intended to or not he ran a valid test by NOT changing his amps setup. You can't test with one criteria or inputs and then another set and have valid test results.

I agree with snowdog...Keep settings the same.

I would have to disagree, in this instance. You're always going to set the amp to the first pup you install. Why judge B based on A's settings. What I'm interested in is which pup I can get to sound best. My amp has knobs. Why not turn them?

 

[Johtosotku]

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I think that there should be two kind of clips. One with the amp settings uniform between the pickups, and one for each where the amp has been set to be at it's best with each pickup. That's the best way I see it. If I had to choose between the two I mentioned, I'd definitely go for the uniform settings. Then you just hear the difference. You never know if the guy is good enough at tweaking so the second clip is just bonus imo.

Did the guy in the video change fresh strings for the Duncans? I think that that unevens most pickup comparisons to me. It looks like he changed the pots for that one as well.

 

[Zhangliqun]

Re: Comparison - I would love to see more of this kind of stuff!

There's no reason you can't do both.

Leave the amp at identical settings for both pickup sets so you can get a straight up evaluation of their characteristics relative to each other. That's how you find out that this pickup has more of this and less of that than the other pickup, etc., and that becomes your starting point for STEP #2, which is:

Another test where you see if you can get great tone from each set by adjusting your amp/rig to your heart's content to fit each set. You will probably find that the original setting for the first test does neither pickup set justice and that it's possible to get great tones from both, you just need different rig settings.

 

[bigheadood]

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I think Zhang's got it right.

Leaving the settings the same is going to me much more useful for beginners.

The other idea is much more dependent on one person's definition of good tone, which may or may not represent a "comparison". The differences will be much more difficult to hear.