Cornish style pedalboard

WhoFan

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i was over at Pete Corinish's sit looking at his custom pedalboard he made for Townshend this summer... It looks pretty cool.... It is a plywood box that has some custom stuff inside but i believe the circuit boards for the FX's are from Boss and MXR...

One question... if i wanted to set up a custom plywood pedal board and take out the cicuit boards from some Boss units and install in said plywood box.... would the box not have to be noise sheilded? and if so, how?
 
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Those boards Cornish makes look SO overbuilt, it's almost silly. I think someone with less skills would end up with a noisy mess.

I've wired racks and a lot of pedalboards for myself and others, and I tend to like high quality pedals plugged into a Voodoo PPII power supply, and run a straight line through the pedals I use the most, and use a loop box to bring in pedals that don't get used often. That way you run a clean signal straight to the amp, without all the spaghetti and tonesuckers.

I'd leave the fancy stuff to guys like Cornish and Bradshaw.
 
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Holy crap. This is what I meant by "overbuilt." But with Townsend's budget....hey, why not?!
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It will last forever!!
Wonders if he fixed the Replicas less than accurate tempo tap??
It is military grade and the overused term built like a tank applies here!!
I would love to see his buffers without the goop:D
 
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I've always liked how Cornish uses the standard circuits from pedals, but transplants them into a common, indestructible enclosure. You can see the OD-1 (tan board) intact but mounted on a generic black control/mounting plate. The T-Rex must be difficult to separate from its case, since he mounted it box and all with its control sticking through the deck.

Cornish has worked hard over the years to solve the problem of broken footswitches. It looks like he gave up on traditional push on/push off stompbox switches and changed over to those giant plastic pushbuttons, which look like they come from the industrial-controls market (my profession). I suspect those green boards with relays on them are the logic and switching needed to convert the buttons' momentary action to push on/push off and to do true bypass, loop switching, etc.

Inspired by Pete Cornish (mostly his early pedalboards for Pat Travers, Andy Summers, and Robbie McIntosh) I started building my own in about 1980. Like him, I use the pedals mostly intact but permanently mount them to the board. Unlike him, I use the pedal cases and mount them on top. Wiring is soldered into the pedals and connected underneath the deck. A homemade 9 volt supply power the whole thing. Special switching (board bypass, tuner, A/B, loops) can be wired right into the board. I don't use special preamps or buffers - low pedal counts and short cable runs don't require them (although I have toyed with the idea of putting a single 12AX7 buffer amp in my latest.)

Here's the first board I ever built:
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A slightly later version that saw a lot of use in bars and frat parties:
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Later versions used standard 12" x 18" ATA-style flight cases rather than homemade pine-and-plywood boxes.

After 15 years of pedalboard-less child rearing, my newest and hopefully last (yeah, right) model is on my workbench right now.

Oh, and to answer WhoFan's original question about shielding: If you look closely, you can see two basic types of wiring in that board, single conductor and shielded. Cornish obviously shields his audio right in the cable, which protects the signal path not only from outside interference but also from internal sources like relays coils and the power supply. In my pedalboards, I use single conductor unshielded wire for everything, and shield the overall box. So, mine are wired more like a point-to-point tube guitar amp. My top plate is aluminum, and I line the sides and bottom with light-gauge aluminum flashing. The one time I omitted the shielding, it was noisy.
 
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Those I've wired racks and a lot of pedalboards for myself and others, and I tend to like high quality pedals plugged into a Voodoo PPII power supply, and run a straight line through the pedals I use the most, and use a loop box to bring in pedals that don't get used often. That way you run a clean signal straight to the amp, without all the spaghetti and tonesuckers.
What looper do you use Joe???
 
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Holy crap. This is what I meant by "overbuilt." But with Townsend's budget....hey, why not?!
Pete-Townshend-Wiring-7.jpg


What is the round donut shaped coil in the bottom of the left side of this photo... some sort of transformer for the power supply...

I wonder what all those buffers are under that red goop.... must be customized stuff he does not want copied... I guess the buffers are for better signal, longer cords, and to quiet things down... Concidering Pete is using Custom strats with older Clapton style Lace Sensor pickups with a mid boost, Fishman trem bridges, a Boss OD, a Comp, into a Hiwatt, a Vibroking, and a Fender Acoustisonic all at once... his set up is pretty hum free... some soundboard recordings you can hear some hum when he has the gain and mid boosts cranked but in general it is clean and clear!
 
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What is the round donut shaped coil in the bottom of the left side of this photo... some sort of transformer for the power supply...
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A Toridal power transformer for the low voltage power supply. Reduces noise.
 
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I've always liked how Cornish uses the standard circuits from pedals, but transplants them into a common, indestructible enclosure. ...
I like your boards, you do good work. I used to build electrical control cabinets, & built a couple of pedal boards (no pictures available). I used to try to build them like Cornish, taking the pedals out of their chassis. I'd use whatever box I could find at the surplus store.

I haven’t built on in a while, mainly because I use fewer FX now, that & I got lazy & both a multi FX for when I need it. I still might build a small one for the 3 or 4 FX I like most. When I want to take the time.
 
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I always figured that the stompboxes already have the right number of holes drilled, labeled, with pots & switches mounted, so why not incorporate them into the pedalboard? Besides, I like all the groovy colors. The new one's gonna be COOL.
 
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What looper do you use Joe???

I bought a dual switch box from pedalboard.com, but I don't know if they still make them or not. There's a few companies that make the same thing.

My board runs silent. Clyde Deluxe > T. Rex Mudhoney > Fulltone FDII > Klon > switchbox which brings in the Line 6's OR mutes to tuner > ADA Flange > Choralflange > 1 or 2 amps. A Voodoo Lab PP II is under the shelf, and everything is braced down with 3M ind. velcro and lime green zip ties.

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Lime green zip ties sound best.

I'm coveting your A/DA flanger. The two Pats (Travers and Thrall) rocked with those things!
 
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I'm coveting your A/DA flanger. The two Pats (Travers and Thrall) rocked with those things!

Yeah, the ADA Flanger has a really cool sound, and the knobs are very interactive. Also, there's internal mini pots all over the circuit, and when I got it, I tried to find the Q spot on all the little pots, so the pedal is tuned right.
I also use tiny triangular pieces of black electrical tape to mark the settings, because it's so sensitive to changes. It's a 78 or 79, I think. Can you believe I got it for $80? It's because it had scratches and the aluminum top was coming unglued. I can get some spacey underwater sounds when combined with the Delay.
 
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Yeah, the ADA Flanger has a really cool sound, and the knobs are very interactive. Also, there's internal mini pots all over the circuit, and when I got it, I tried to find the Q spot on all the little pots, so the pedal is tuned right.
I also use tiny triangular pieces of black electrical tape to mark the settings, because it's so sensitive to changes. It's a 78 or 79, I think. Can you believe I got it for $80? It's because it had scratches and the aluminum top was coming unglued. I can get some spacey underwater sounds when combined with the Delay.


Drat. I hoped you were going to say it sucked and you'd send it to me for nuthin'.
 
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I've been thinking about doing something like this myself. The main difference is that mine would be completely computer controlled and all aspects of the unit programmable. The outer section would look like Rich's design, but would also include a TFT LCD showing what patch is selected and what the settings are for each pedal connected. Each pedal would keep it's own controls with no changes to that, but their pots would be connected to a computer control instead of directly to the board itself. This way the computer checks for changes in the knobs to increase or decrease values as they are set. There would be programmable switching present to eliminate the need for loops etc. One could also attach a volume pedal as a control for one of the elements in the system. It won't be cheap, but it would be easy to use and if I do my job right, easy to program. It would be literally a matter of tweaking the effect knobs on the pedals to get the sound you want to save and then turning a jog wheel to a chosen preset number and smacking a big red button that says SAVE on it. Then you get to name the preset using the jog wheel. Switching would be instantaneous and silent. Complete control and more importantly SIMPLE control would be mine.

This sort of setup would be best for a group of pedals that have more than one good sound. If you have a stable full of one trick ponys, this isn't the ideal thing to do.
 
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well looks like my new bar bands first practice is this weekend.... looks like i will be making up a piece of plywood and stick my pedals to it the old fashion way.... in the future i may try Rich's metal box idea...... I have back up pedals for my main ones as i used to have 2 boards for 2 different set ups.. Large and small.. a few doubles never heard anyways...... The down side to my last plywood pedal thing was it was way too heavy!!!! I had some extra 3/4 ply wood at home and used that as it was free.. i think i'll use 1/2 this time
 
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