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Re: Couple Fluence questions for Falbo
No trolling, I'm completely serious. I am utterly baffled by this statement:
No trolling, I'm completely serious. I am utterly baffled by this statement:
Couple Fluence questions for Falbo
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Re: Couple Fluence questions for Falbo
K. Ask a specific question and I'll answer it but you seem to not understand me when I directly answer so this is likely a futile attempt to communicate.
K. Ask a specific question and I'll answer it but you seem to not understand me when I directly answer so this is likely a futile attempt to communicate.
Re: Couple Fluence questions for Falbo
Where I'm from, the phrase " hmm, interesting" implies that there's more to the story than one is letting on. Perhaps that's not the case in the UK. I apologize for any miscommunication. I do however feel that if you were genuinely seeking clarity about that statement, your communion would have been structured quite differently. Perhaps as a specific question trying to find details as to what you're baffled about. The continued ambiguous slightly "challenging" statement oriented nature of your communication does indeed suggest trolling.
Please either ask a clearly structured question or take your attitude to a local dive bar.
Where I'm from, the phrase " hmm, interesting" implies that there's more to the story than one is letting on. Perhaps that's not the case in the UK. I apologize for any miscommunication. I do however feel that if you were genuinely seeking clarity about that statement, your communion would have been structured quite differently. Perhaps as a specific question trying to find details as to what you're baffled about. The continued ambiguous slightly "challenging" statement oriented nature of your communication does indeed suggest trolling.
Please either ask a clearly structured question or take your attitude to a local dive bar.
Re: Couple Fluence questions for Falbo
Quite correct Mr Kojak. They are very much an active circuit. I think the point being made , incorrectly, is that they designed quite differently than traditional active pickups (except for the modern humbucker voice 2).
Quite correct Mr Kojak. They are very much an active circuit. I think the point being made , incorrectly, is that they designed quite differently than traditional active pickups (except for the modern humbucker voice 2).
Re: Couple Fluence questions for Falbo
To go way back in time, to the few that have given the Parker Fly the middle finger, I also don't care for it, but that is just cosmetic, clearly you have never heard Harvey Mandel play a good 15 minute version of Wade in the Water or Harvey playing straight blues on it w/out his weird affects, namely, pure blues like "Leavin' Trunk" on his P.Fly, through his Hot Rod Deville.
So There.
That felt good,
SJB
Harvey, if you're reading this as you get better, as you very well might, I'm pulling for you. Remember getting a young guitarist stoned on you "whitish" dusted pot? In Seattle? ''70's? You almost killed me! Your hotel room? C'mon, I know you must be reading this. Made fun of me for trying to sound like you? Sign in Harvey, say hi, me and all my guitar friends are still your biggest fans.
To go way back in time, to the few that have given the Parker Fly the middle finger, I also don't care for it, but that is just cosmetic, clearly you have never heard Harvey Mandel play a good 15 minute version of Wade in the Water or Harvey playing straight blues on it w/out his weird affects, namely, pure blues like "Leavin' Trunk" on his P.Fly, through his Hot Rod Deville.
So There.
That felt good,
SJB
Harvey, if you're reading this as you get better, as you very well might, I'm pulling for you. Remember getting a young guitarist stoned on you "whitish" dusted pot? In Seattle? ''70's? You almost killed me! Your hotel room? C'mon, I know you must be reading this. Made fun of me for trying to sound like you? Sign in Harvey, say hi, me and all my guitar friends are still your biggest fans.
Couple Fluence questions for Falbo
Parker Fly are great guitars. Very well engineered. However, they are poor analogies to the Fluence. Why? Because it was an attempt to improve or take it to the next level, much like EMG.
The Fluence is more about, as I understand it, both reverse engineering sounds of the past in an analog format that removes many limitations but also (more important IMO) and adding a second voice to add versatility in a way that does not exist in other analog pickups that pay homage to (and supposedly replicate) the best sounds of the past (or present because the Fluence classic bucker neck voice 2 reminds me of a Lollar El-Rayo type voicing, as described and demonstrated).
Parker Fly are great guitars. Very well engineered. However, they are poor analogies to the Fluence. Why? Because it was an attempt to improve or take it to the next level, much like EMG.
The Fluence is more about, as I understand it, both reverse engineering sounds of the past in an analog format that removes many limitations but also (more important IMO) and adding a second voice to add versatility in a way that does not exist in other analog pickups that pay homage to (and supposedly replicate) the best sounds of the past (or present because the Fluence classic bucker neck voice 2 reminds me of a Lollar El-Rayo type voicing, as described and demonstrated).
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Re: Couple Fluence questions for Falbo
I could accuse you of trolling for having baited me into this response. When will this vicious cycle of mutual trolling ever end?
The truth is, I'm still patiently waiting for a case to be made for the Fishman Fluence that makes any sense. At least the single coils have the noiseless argument going for them, but a humbucker is already noiseless. Maybe they do sound amazing, but the passives on the market sound amazing, too, and they don't require batteries. When wolf5150 said it was a solution in search of a problem, he hit the nail on the head. When we say we love Seth Lovers or Ant II Surfers, we genuinely love them, without qualification, without longing for more. Before I can justify purchasing and hassling with the Fluences, I have to have already tried all the trouble free passives on the market, before I can justify the hassles associated with an active system.
Frank Falbo pointed out than an active pickup has a capacity to share qualities of hot and cool wound pickup simultaneously, but when you do that, you no longer have a vintage voiced pickups, and yet curiously the main differentiation between EMG and the Fluence is the Fluence's reverence to vintage pickups, both in terms of appearance and tone. For as little sense as EMGs make to me artistically and practically, the Fluence makes even less sense, and yet at the same time there's a sentry of forum members and an resident industry insider quick to rush to this curious products defense.
So the question is simple: what are you looking for in the Fishman Fluence that you don't find elsewhere, and why are you willing to hassle with the back plate battery pack in order to get it? If you can give a solid answer to this question, you will have bested Fishman's marketing efforts to date.
I could accuse you of trolling for having baited me into this response. When will this vicious cycle of mutual trolling ever end?
The truth is, I'm still patiently waiting for a case to be made for the Fishman Fluence that makes any sense. At least the single coils have the noiseless argument going for them, but a humbucker is already noiseless. Maybe they do sound amazing, but the passives on the market sound amazing, too, and they don't require batteries. When wolf5150 said it was a solution in search of a problem, he hit the nail on the head. When we say we love Seth Lovers or Ant II Surfers, we genuinely love them, without qualification, without longing for more. Before I can justify purchasing and hassling with the Fluences, I have to have already tried all the trouble free passives on the market, before I can justify the hassles associated with an active system.
Frank Falbo pointed out than an active pickup has a capacity to share qualities of hot and cool wound pickup simultaneously, but when you do that, you no longer have a vintage voiced pickups, and yet curiously the main differentiation between EMG and the Fluence is the Fluence's reverence to vintage pickups, both in terms of appearance and tone. For as little sense as EMGs make to me artistically and practically, the Fluence makes even less sense, and yet at the same time there's a sentry of forum members and an resident industry insider quick to rush to this curious products defense.
So the question is simple: what are you looking for in the Fishman Fluence that you don't find elsewhere, and why are you willing to hassle with the back plate battery pack in order to get it? If you can give a solid answer to this question, you will have bested Fishman's marketing efforts to date.
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Thanks for the thoughtful response. I believe your response is somewhat true however perhaps you're not seeing my perspective and fishman's product positioning the same way that I do. You're also making half true statements that are very full of assumptions yet stated as fact.
Specifically, my motivation and Fishman's marketing on their USP (unique selling proposition): outside of offering the benefits of active (noise free) pickups and a "best of" vintage voice: they allow for 2 ideal vintage accurate voices in the same pickup. This is not available anywhere on the market in an analog circuit besides this product. Agai, these are marketed as analog circuits. The versatility of that is what attracts me and likely most of the humbucker customers. The single coils are likely higher demand and that factor drove their release before the humbuckers.
Granted, this perspective hopes and assumes success in the mission of achieving vintage accuracy where so many noiseless single could have failed.
As to my risk or gamble. It's an experiment. Every new technology has an early adopter. You are clearly not that demographic and there's nothing wrong with that. That's how the market works. If it proves to be succesful with no downsides, I'd expect it to get mass traction if marketed well. Your loud internet voice on this platform concerns me that there is a deeply entrenched and fixed mindset of the "community" preferring to recreate and reproduce the past bit by bit rather than innovate and explore tools, which is what got us here in the first place.
Again, I have the income to try them out without estate and net worth concerns, so I will. It's clearly an early adopter product.
If you don't have first hand knowledge, I suggest asking more questions. Further more, it seems that your arguments are fixated on pickups having a single minded purpose or voicing. The argument appears analogous to "why would you what (the versatility) of an AXEFX when you could buy millions of reproductions Twins and Plexis or even the "real deal".
With that versatility vs vintage perspective in mind, we must ask the question of if the goal of emulating the original tone & feel is met. In the case of the AXE, It's a resounding YES. The AXE is significantly more complex yet achieved it's goal with a single well educated and passionate engineer behind it.
So, if the tone is met & there is no tone sacrifice, why mess with the battery etc? The ability the TRANSFORM my pickup voicing with a SINGLE KNOB PULL.
Bridge goes between PAF & JB
Neck goes between PAF & El-Rayo
Hope that makes sense because I don't think I can elaborate beyond that for you.
Thanks for the thoughtful response. I believe your response is somewhat true however perhaps you're not seeing my perspective and fishman's product positioning the same way that I do. You're also making half true statements that are very full of assumptions yet stated as fact.
Specifically, my motivation and Fishman's marketing on their USP (unique selling proposition): outside of offering the benefits of active (noise free) pickups and a "best of" vintage voice: they allow for 2 ideal vintage accurate voices in the same pickup. This is not available anywhere on the market in an analog circuit besides this product. Agai, these are marketed as analog circuits. The versatility of that is what attracts me and likely most of the humbucker customers. The single coils are likely higher demand and that factor drove their release before the humbuckers.
Granted, this perspective hopes and assumes success in the mission of achieving vintage accuracy where so many noiseless single could have failed.
As to my risk or gamble. It's an experiment. Every new technology has an early adopter. You are clearly not that demographic and there's nothing wrong with that. That's how the market works. If it proves to be succesful with no downsides, I'd expect it to get mass traction if marketed well. Your loud internet voice on this platform concerns me that there is a deeply entrenched and fixed mindset of the "community" preferring to recreate and reproduce the past bit by bit rather than innovate and explore tools, which is what got us here in the first place.
Again, I have the income to try them out without estate and net worth concerns, so I will. It's clearly an early adopter product.
If you don't have first hand knowledge, I suggest asking more questions. Further more, it seems that your arguments are fixated on pickups having a single minded purpose or voicing. The argument appears analogous to "why would you what (the versatility) of an AXEFX when you could buy millions of reproductions Twins and Plexis or even the "real deal".
With that versatility vs vintage perspective in mind, we must ask the question of if the goal of emulating the original tone & feel is met. In the case of the AXE, It's a resounding YES. The AXE is significantly more complex yet achieved it's goal with a single well educated and passionate engineer behind it.
So, if the tone is met & there is no tone sacrifice, why mess with the battery etc? The ability the TRANSFORM my pickup voicing with a SINGLE KNOB PULL.
Bridge goes between PAF & JB
Neck goes between PAF & El-Rayo
Hope that makes sense because I don't think I can elaborate beyond that for you.
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Another quick thought: this forum and guitar forums in general don't represent the market. The most passionate groups almost never do. Two examples come to mind quickly outside of guitar: tech and film.
In tech, the hardcore passionate community only cares for POSIX based operating systems like Linux, Unix, Free BSD and OSX yet the world's desktop computers run Windows.
In film, the community cares about scripts, performances, Pacing, 3d character depth while the public will line up for Fast & Furious or Bond year after year.
What I'm getting at is that we are experiencing a small echo chamber on these forums. We really can't predict how succesful a novel product will or won't be until it goes through it's cycle.
Another quick thought: this forum and guitar forums in general don't represent the market. The most passionate groups almost never do. Two examples come to mind quickly outside of guitar: tech and film.
In tech, the hardcore passionate community only cares for POSIX based operating systems like Linux, Unix, Free BSD and OSX yet the world's desktop computers run Windows.
In film, the community cares about scripts, performances, Pacing, 3d character depth while the public will line up for Fast & Furious or Bond year after year.
What I'm getting at is that we are experiencing a small echo chamber on these forums. We really can't predict how succesful a novel product will or won't be until it goes through it's cycle.
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DarkMatter
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Re: Couple Fluence questions for Falbo
Clearly, we must ban innovation in the music equipment industry. As guitarists we should know that the all good tones were created on gear originally designed before 1980.
Clearly, we must ban innovation in the music equipment industry. As guitarists we should know that the all good tones were created on gear originally designed before 1980.
DarkMatter
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Re: Couple Fluence questions for Falbo
Serious ? now, the Strat trem cover battery pack, is that flush mount? I mean could I put it on a guitar that doesn't have a trem cavity? I'd probably have to drill a wire hole or something.
Serious ? now, the Strat trem cover battery pack, is that flush mount? I mean could I put it on a guitar that doesn't have a trem cavity? I'd probably have to drill a wire hole or something.
DreX
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Re: Couple Fluence questions for Falbo
reductio ad absurdum
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