Cry baby Classic vs?

[Axeman16]

im looking at getting a true bypass wah and was curious on your guys' thoughts on the tonal differences of a few, i havent been able to try them yet. im looking to replace my original cry baby wah

im looking for the classic british blues rock era wah tones.

leaning towards the crybaby classic with the red fasel.

can anyone commment on how it compares tonally to the bonamassa wah and the new slash wah (sc95) or the dunlop mccoy with the h101?

are the mccoy bonamassa or sc95 worth the extra coin?

 

[Funkfingers]

Re: Cry baby Classic vs?

They are to Bonnamassa and Slash!

Trawl the Interwebz. By now, somebody will have deduced what the differences are between the three models on you list and explained how to modify the basic model accordingly.

 

[Johnny the Kid]

Re: Cry baby Classic vs?

Either the 535Q or the Jerry Cantrell are my favorites. You'll have to try a few. Everyone likes something different in their wah sound and trying them yourself is the best way to find out what you like.

 

[blueman335]

Re: Cry baby Classic vs?

The Bonamassa is great, but fairly warm sounding. I've found that an adjustable wah has a better chance of giving you want you want, whatever that is. You can dial it in. A couple of great ones from Dunlop are the MXR 404 and the 535Q (check out Dunlop's website). Both are true bypass and have lots of flexibility for the exact wah sounds you have in your head. That's exactly why they were designed. If you get a wah that isn't adjustable, and it isn't quite the sound you want (thru your guitar, PU's, and amp), then you're stuck.

 

[Dahla]

Re: Cry baby Classic vs?

Sweetwater have done a great comparison chart.

Look here: chart


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[blueman335]

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Sweetwater have done a great comparison chart.

Helpful chart.

Also of interest: Current version of the Hendrix wah (JH-1D) has a red fasel, along with a .022 cap for a warmer sweep range. The Zack Wylde wah always has had a red fasel & a .022 cap. At this point, the two may be almost identical internally, except for a slight difference in one of the resistor values. And both of those are basically only different from the current GCB-95 (which now has a red fasel), because of the .022 cap (GCB-95's have a .015 cap for a brighter sweep range). None of these 3 are true bypass. Wiring for true bypass isn't hard, and current versions of these may already come with a DPDT switch (so you have to move the wires to different lugs).

 

[Dahla]

Re: Cry baby Classic vs?

Helpful chart.

Also of interest: Current version of the Hendrix wah (JH-1D) has a red fasel, along with a .022 cap for a warmer sweep range. The Zack Wylde wah always has had a red fasel & a .022 cap. At this point, the two may be almost identical internally, except for a slight difference in one of the resistor values. And both of those are basically only different from the current GCB-95 (which now has a red fasel), because of the .022 cap (GCB-95's have a .015 cap for a brighter sweep range). None of these 3 are true bypass. Wiring for true bypass isn't hard, and current versions of these may already come with a DPDT switch (so you have to move the wires to different lugs).

It is.

The sweep/eq is a little different between the two though. The JH goes from 290 hZ to 1.5 kHz. The Wylde goes from 250 hZ to 2.4 kHz.

I have an older Hendrix wah. It has the black fasel, and I like that it doesn't get all white noise at the end of the pedal range.


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[PFDarkside]

Re: Cry baby Classic vs?

That's a great quick reference chart!

 

[dystrust]

Re: Cry baby Classic vs?

It really depends on how picky you are. IMO none of the Dunlops sound all that close to the 60s British blues/rock sound. If that's what you're after you need something closer to a Vox Clyde McCoy such as the Fulltone Clyde or Teese Picture Wah if you want simple or the Teese RMC-3 or Wilson Signature if you want tweakable.

 

[Axeman16]

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so i guess it comes down to one question, halo or red fasel inductor?

 

[Johnny the Kid]

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so i guess it comes down to one question, halo or red fasel inductor?

No. Is true bypass an issue for you? How big of a sweep do you want/ need. Would you prefer an auto-on wah?

There are tons of different wah pedals out there and you have to be willing to try a few to find out what you like.

 

[Axeman16]

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No. Is true bypass an issue for you? How big of a sweep do you want/ need. Would you prefer an auto-on wah?

There are tons of different wah pedals out there and you have to be willing to try a few to find out what you like.

what do you mean no? i clearly stated in the op that i want a true bypass pedal to replace my original wah. no i dont want an auto wah

im looking at getting a true bypass wah and was curious on your guys' thoughts on the tonal differences of a few, i havent been able to try them yet. im looking to replace my original cry baby wah

im looking for the classic british blues rock era wah tones.

leaning towards the crybaby classic with the red fasel.

can anyone commment on how it compares tonally to the bonamassa wah and the new slash wah (sc95)?

are the bonamassa or sc95 worth the extra coin?

as it clearly says "im looking for the classic british blues rock era wah tones with true bypass."

so that narrows it down to the 3 i mentioned and the dunlop clyde mccoy.

as i asked before is the extra buck worth it for the bonamassa slash or mccoy over the classic?

what difference tonally is there between the halo inductor and the red fasel?

is the halo inductor in the bonamassa tonally the same as the h101 in the mccoy?

 

[blueman335]

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i clearly stated in the op that i want a true bypass pedal to replace my original wah. no i dont want an auto wah

as it clearly says "im looking for the classic british blues rock era wah tones with true bypass."

so that narrows it down to the 3 i mentioned and the dunlop clyde mccoy.

as i asked before is the extra buck worth it for the bonamassa slash or mccoy over the classic?

what difference tonally is there between the halo inductor and the red fasel?

is the halo inductor in the bonamassa tonally the same as the h101 in the mccoy?

Agreed, true bypass is a necessity for many players with wahs, as the circuit design is one of the worst for 'tone suck' when the pedal is in bypass mode. But a DPDT switch costs a little more for a manufacturer, and Dunlop would have to redesign their circuit board to accommodate true bypass, so they don't do it on some of their models. It'll probably happen with their next PCB revision they're on version 'I' now).

I have a Bonamassa, but if I had to live with one wah, it would be an adjustable one like a 535Q or MC404 , or Fulltone Clyde Deluxe (all of which I have). You don't know what a wah will sound like thru your gear, and it's a big bonus if you can dial it in. They're worth the 'extra coin.' You don't have the exact same vintage gear as the Brits did in the '60's, so you're not going to sound just like them in the first place, and therefore an adjustable wah lets you make up for that.

If you're talking about halos in Dunlops, they're all going to be the same kind, just like their red fasels are all the same regardless of which model of wah they put them in.

The common Slash model (there's two) has overdrive options, which aren't the direction you want to go. Definitely not vintage wah sounds. Why spend the extra money on it?

Some people say the inductor makes a big difference, others say it doesn't. The truth is probably somewhere in between. Whatever any single component does, it's the combination of components that makes the final sound. There's a lot of board layouts used, and a lot of values of those components (resistors, capacitors, transistors, inductors). Don't get hung up on one part of the equation. One of my favorite, wahs has a yellow fasel (BTW, inductors are easy to swap out). An inductor of any kind is not a magic bullet by itself.

I agree on auto wahs too: blasphemy!

 

[Axeman16]

Re: Cry baby Classic vs?

thanks for your input. im a very bare bones type player have a simple board not really looking for extra features, just a straight up wah pedal with true bypass. running a les paul with paf repros into a jcm 800, board is just a korg pitch black, wah, mxr/cae mc401 and an isp noise decimator.

i was considering the slash sc95 (introduced 2012, not the red one), the bonamassa the clyde or the classic as they all have true bypass, the only real variance i can find in the 4 models is the inductor (aside from the lower voicing in the slash and the switchable bonamassa).

 

[d1dsj]

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I have a JB which I really like and went out and bought a mate one for his 50th. However, 2 days after I bought the JB one of my local haunts got the Dunlop McCoy in and I had to try it. Well, I took the JB back and got my mate the McCoy. As much as like my JB and Teese Wizard, Wah pedals never really got me too excited..... But the McCoy certainly did. As soon as I have some spare cash I'm going to pick one up. Needless to say my mate is absolutely over the moon with his and when I told him how I arrived at the McCoy we tried them back to back as I told him he could exchange it if he wanted and no offence taken, he kept the McCoy.

 

[blueman335]

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im a very bare bones type player have a simple board not really looking for extra features, just a straight up wah pedal with true bypass.

Doesn't matter that you're a bare bones player, this isn't about you fiddling with it all the time. An adjustable wah lets you get the sound you want, when a non-adjustable may be 'close-but-no-cigar', depending on your gear. Adjust it once, get exactly what you want, and leave it. I'd like to see you not end up buying 2 or 3 wahs to get what you want.

If you prefer a non-adjustable wah, then it's up to you to listen to a lot of online samples to ensure you get the sound you want. You're laying out the cash, and it's your ears it has to please.

 

[Hank-]

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I find the 535Q better than my MC404 since the Q control is on the outside & the sound overall i like better as well. I guess because it's been used so much in recordings or live that the sound feels more home like to my ears.

Anyways, the amt wh1 is another wah thats fun & small. The crybaby mini has adjustable Q control on the inside too i think, so that's another one. Depending on your budget, Wilson Wahs are awesome too. The vox stuff while not all that versatile, does sound great, you will need a truebypass looper & a battery clip adapter to power it with external psu, with one of those . Jerry Cantrell wah is great too.

Oh man i could list more than 20 worth checking out, so many wahs out there to pick from, happy hunting!

 

[Axeman16]

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im really just interested in personal experiences between the 4 im interested in. the cry baby classic, SC-95 (slash, NOT the red one), the dunlop clyde mccoy cry baby and the joe bonamassa.

 

[blueman335]

Re: Cry baby Classic vs?

im really just interested in personal experiences between the 4 im interested in. the cry baby classic, SC-95 (slash, NOT the red one), the dunlop clyde mccoy cry baby and the joe bonamassa.

I'd be more open-minded going into this. Like Hank said, there's a lot of great wah's out there. That's why I started collecting them. If you're determined at the outset to limit your choice to those 4, you need to read reviews (pro and con) & listen to a bunch of sound clips to see which of those you like best. We can't make that decision for you. I wouldn't spend $150 on a wah without doing some serious homework on my own.

 

[Axeman16]

Re: Cry baby Classic vs?

if you collect them then why cant you answer my question. my question is basically what is the difference tonally between a red fasel and a halo.