Dave Mustaine dropped the ESP endorsement!

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EVH said that he left Musicman because he felt his guitars lacked quality...

Musicman are some of the highest quality guitars out there. EVH left Musicman since they couldn't produce enough for the public demand, which affected his royalties...
 
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It's not cheaper to build guitars in Japan.

*blinks*

*reads again*

*blinks*

....****ing what?

Of course it's cheaper to build guitars in Japan. Just like it's cheaper to build them in Mexico or China or Indonesia.

Unskilled labor is cheaper. And for standard production level instruments that's what they're using.

For higher-end ones there's likely to be a price increase because of the fact that they're using a Luthier potentially from the country of origin. But aside from the fact that they may be a commodity the odds are stateside they'd likely be making more doing the same job with a company of equal prestige.
 
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There is probably as much unskilled labor in Japan as in the US. Hell I could probably find a lot of unskilled people in the US to make a dirt cheap guitar too.

As a matter of fact though, those high end Ibanezes, middle of the road Jacksons and ESPs are all great guitars. So I'd assume it's not really unskilled labor they use.


As for EVH, I'm pretty sure that HE said it was the lack of quality. I never played a MM in my life so I wasn't commenting on whether it was true or not.
 
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Musicman are some of the highest quality guitars out there. EVH left Musicman since they couldn't produce enough for the public demand, which affected his royalties...

As for EVH, I'm pretty sure that HE said it was the lack of quality. I never played a MM in my life so I wasn't commenting on whether it was true or not.

No, he did leave because they couldn't keep with the demand. There were more orders for one than what was available. At one point the wait time for one got to over a year. They did build them in limited quantity the first few years but the demand got large real quick. EBMM is not one to spit 'em out like Peavey or Fender.

This thread definitely took a detour. :6: I still say Dean. It would be nice if he went to Jackson, but I don't think he will.
 
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Yeah, Dean needs a name like Mustaine to endorse them. Like I said, the Dime wave can only be ridden for son long, and (no offense to all 3 of his fans), Batio isn't going to be the guy to fill that role.

That said, I wonder if Mustaine really would make the switch back to the short scale after playing long scale for so many years.
 
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There is probably as much unskilled labor in Japan as in the US. Hell I could probably find a lot of unskilled people in the US to make a dirt cheap guitar too.

yea... they work for gibson ;)




i'm gonna say he goes back to jackson.
 
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Dean certainly is the endorsement "whore" right now. Whether its modern metal acts like trivium or "has-beens" like Schenker & West or "on the edge of being a has-been" like Cantrell. I could see them offering Dave big bucks. The Dime thing is played out, and IMO has been in rather poor taste. I'm not a fan of Dime or his music, but it's obvvious in life and in death he's a big influence, and they really are raping his legacy for all it's worth. When you have a dozen different import models and as many USA versions..that's (IMO) disrespectful to the guy and taking advantage of the fans. Then again, if the fans are OK with it, then..who am I to say it's a bad thing? :shrug:

Dean could do it..he'd be able to get an equally top notch instrument as his ESPs/Jackson with the Dean USA custom shop, and samick or whomever could pump out the MIK/MIC versions, and IME they are the best MIK imports out there for the $. It would be a win/win for everyone (i.e the Fans, Dave, and Dean).

But Dean himself has always preferred the Gibson style instrument, and when Super Strats came into vogue that was one of the reasons he sold off to Tropical. He didn't care much for the trend at the time. Though I don't believe Dean Z has that kind of say anymore in the company...at least not to that degree. IDK tho.
 
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I haven't read the last 3 pages of this thread I just wanted to offer some insight on this comment...

I was my understanding that the ML shape was used with permission and a royalty paid to Dean Z himself...

I could be wrong, but I don't think it was "stolen".

My 2 cents...

I've read elsewhere that Dean Z was furious about Washburn stealing his design. That's why I posted what I did. If what you say is true, then I was misinformed.
 
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Yeah, Dean needs a name like Mustaine to endorse them. Like I said, the Dime wave can only be ridden for son long, and (no offense to all 3 of his fans), Batio isn't going to be the guy to fill that role.

That said, I wonder if Mustaine really would make the switch back to the short scale after playing long scale for so many years.

Eh, they don't need Dave Mustaine...

They have JeffB. :laugh2: :chairfall
 
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Yeah, Dean needs a name like Mustaine to endorse them. Like I said, the Dime wave can only be ridden for son long, and (no offense to all 3 of his fans), Batio isn't going to be the guy to fill that role.

That said, I wonder if Mustaine really would make the switch back to the short scale after playing long scale for so many years.

switch back?

in my recollection, he always played 25.5 scale guitars, that's why it's a bit hard to believe that he'll switch to gibson. dean is plausible, but i think it's a bit unlikely.. but we'll see.
 
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Dean certainly is the endorsement "whore" right now. Whether its modern metal acts like trivium or "has-beens" like Schenker & West or "on the edge of being a has-been" like Cantrell. I could see them offering Dave big bucks. The Dime thing is played out, and IMO has been in rather poor taste. I'm not a fan of Dime or his music, but it's obvvious in life and in death he's a big influence, and they really are raping his legacy for all it's worth. When you have a dozen different import models and as many USA versions..that's (IMO) disrespectful to the guy and taking advantage of the fans. Then again, if the fans are OK with it, then..who am I to say it's a bad thing? :shrug:

Dean could do it..he'd be able to get an equally top notch instrument as his ESPs/Jackson with the Dean USA custom shop, and samick or whomever could pump out the MIK/MIC versions, and IME they are the best MIK imports out there for the $. It would be a win/win for everyone (i.e the Fans, Dave, and Dean).

But Dean himself has always preferred the Gibson style instrument, and when Super Strats came into vogue that was one of the reasons he sold off to Tropical. He didn't care much for the trend at the time. Though I don't believe Dean Z has that kind of say anymore in the company...at least not to that degree. IDK tho.

Though it appears Dean is "raping" Dime's memory and image for profits, I have to disagree....

There is a video on the Dean web site of Dime backstage with Dean Zelinsky, where Dime is glorifying Dean guitars, telling how much they've meant to him, they were his first guitar, he played them for years, and he was happy to be back with the original maker. Each of the new Dime designs that have come out were designed by Dime before his death- there were sketches by Dime to prove it. He was mostly interested high quality in the middle and low budget guitars so young guitarists could have quality affordable instruments.

Dime was impressed with the Dean '79 series since they played better than his USA made Washburns. Dime wanted the huge Dean line in his name- he had their logo tattooed on his arm, there's the video I mentioned, I beleive Dean is doing just what Dime would have wanted.

That being said, of course Dean has to get some new, more relevant endorsers, but again, so does Peavey after EVH left (the guitar line, their amos are doing fine). I go on their web site and I'm not impressed by the endorser list, and most of their endorsers aren't loyal either. Cantrell still plays his G&L's, Rudolph Schenker played Gibsons and Dommenget, and soon Leslie West will be back to a Les Paul Jr.

I've played USA and Korean made Deans, the USA models are every bit, if not better than PRS, and the Korean guitars have been better setup and better built than every new Gibson Flying V's and Explorers I've played. They make a great guitar for the money.
 
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switch back?

in my recollection, he always played 25.5 scale guitars, that's why it's a bit hard to believe that he'll switch to gibson. dean is plausible, but i think it's a bit unlikely.. but we'll see.

Maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought he played Gibson Vs when he first started with Metallica? I want to say I've seen footage of that, but I could be dilusional. I haven't had a day off in two weeks... I'm getting kinda tired.
 
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Am I the only one that could care less about Mustaine?????
 
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Not a fan myself really..I like the first couple Deth albums...Poland era I guess...peace sells...and the one after that (that has into the lungs of hell and anarchy in the UK), and thats about it.

But Dave def is a "big" endorsee to have and remains relevant in the genre.
 
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Maybe Dave is going to Carvin... That would be a suprise. Plus they make a good product. Plus, they have not had any pointies in their lineup in a few years..
 
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I remember when he switch to ESP he was thinking Gibson, but they would not make a 24 fret model for him and he wanted 24 frets. I also recall he was unhappy when Jackson went up for sale he was going to buy the company and when they would not sell to him he decised to change his endorsements.

My thoughts would either be back to Jackson for he made up with them or Dean

On the ESP V, ESP had an V they used to sell, that had 24 frets. all he did was put his Seymour Duncans he liked in then and change where the control knobs were.
 
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