Diezel oversized 2x12 cab with Eminence speakers

[metalmachine]

Re: Diezel oversized 2x12 cab with Eminence speakers

I love the v12. This is trolling

 

[TheTranslator]

Re: Diezel oversized 2x12 cab with Eminence speakers

I'll take my Celestions over any other 12" speaker I've ever owned. And I've owned a lot of 12" speakers: old Jensens, new Jensens, JBL's, Electro Voice, Emi's, etc. Celestions have been my go to 12" speakers for the last 40 years or more.

Only reason I can see to use anything other than Celestions is if you've just got to have something that's cheaper.

+1

 

[AudioWonderland]

Re: Diezel oversized 2x12 cab with Eminence speakers

Just curious; I bought an oversized Diezel 2x12 cab years ago that came with Eminence speakers, but after looking at their website (back then), they're supposedly only loaded with Celestion V30's, and don't mention anything about Eminence speakers being an option. I was under the impression that V-30's were in there, but when the salesperson took off the back, they were Eminence speakers. To make a long story short, they sound like CRAP, just like the ones in Fender combos. Even the Soldano 4x12 loaded with Eminence speakers sounded like s**t compared to the Celestion-loaded cabs from the shootouts I've seen on YouTube. They sound muddy and like cardboard compared to the stock G12T-75's in my Marshall 4x12. Oddly enough, I've been seeing a lot of folks touting Eminence speakers on various websites, including this one. I''m eventually going to change the speakers in my Diezel cab, but to play it safe, I think I'll stick to Celestions.

1) 99% of the videos on youtube sound like ass because they have no idea how to properly record.

2) your comparing a youtube clip to a live amp? An equally pointless excercise eve if it is one of the 1% actually recorded well.

3) you fail to mention what model of Eminence is in the cab. They make a wide variety of their own and pretty much any rebranded speaker you buy in the US. All built to someone else's spec.

I think you are missing the mark in several arenas here

 

[AudioWonderland]

Re: Diezel oversized 2x12 cab with Eminence speakers

This thread makes me lol.

Very Nice. I have a Tonespotter in my ISO cab. I like it but I wish it was available in 16ohm. I have been looking at the Private Jacks and the Wizards as alternatives. I like the sound of the Wizards with my Marshalls but it seems silly to put such an efficient speaker into an ISO cab...

I just have not liked the modern Celestions. I put Scumbacks into my new 2x12 cabs that replaced the vintage 4x12's I moved. Still early but I am pretty pleased with them so far. They cost but but not a lot more than the Celestion counterparts

 

[TheTranslator]

Re: Diezel oversized 2x12 cab with Eminence speakers

2) your comparing a youtube clip to a live amp? An equally pointless excercise eve if it is one of the 1% actually recorded well.

In this Youtube shootout, my favorites were the Mesa and Orange, that happen to be Celestion loaded. In other YT clips, the Mesa didn't fare too well, but the Orange was still a favorite, and sounded a little more livelier and detailed than the below clip. In one comparison test between the V12 and V30, the Eminence sounded fuller and overall more appealing to my ear. However, ALL of the Eminence loaded cabs in the below clip were similar to the ones in my Diezel 2x12, and the V12 loaded Soldano wasn't that impressive, nor the one I saw in another YT shootout. So I guess you're right, I have to hear these speakers in a store myself, instead of a YT clip with some Metalhead playing a guitar tuned 1000 steps too low :18:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JUm3VGwZJQ

3) you fail to mention what model of Eminence is in the cab.

According to this old thread, they're Diezel Custom Eminence, which are the worst sounding speakers around, according to one poster. I persoanlly think the Celestion design speakers for the Marshall MG cab are the worst mg:

http://www.rig-talk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=80929

 

[AudioWonderland]

Re: Diezel oversized 2x12 cab with Eminence speakers

In this Youtube shootout, my favorites were the Mesa and Orange, that happen to be Celestion loaded. In other YT clips, the Mesa didn't fare too well, but the Orange was still a favorite, and sounded a little more livelier and detailed than the below clip. In one comparison test between the V12 and V30, the Eminence sounded fuller and overall more appealing to my ear. However, ALL of the Eminence loaded cabs in the below clip were similar to the ones in my Diezel 2x12, and the V12 loaded Soldano wasn't that impressive, nor the one I saw in another YT shootout. So I guess you're right, I have to hear these speakers in a store myself, instead of a YT clip with some Metalhead playing a guitar tuned 1000 steps too low :18:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JUm3VGwZJQ

That link is a shoot out of impulse responses of those cab/speaker combinations, not recordings of the authentic item

 

[TwilightOdyssey]

Re: Diezel oversized 2x12 cab with Eminence speakers

+1

You are both wrong. There are many reasons to not use a Celestion, you are just being too snobbish to enquire what those reasons are.

 

[TwilightOdyssey]

Re: Diezel oversized 2x12 cab with Eminence speakers

Very Nice. I have a Tonespotter in my ISO cab. I like it but I wish it was available in 16ohm. I have been looking at the Private Jacks and the Wizards as alternatives. I like the sound of the Wizards with my Marshalls but it seems silly to put such an efficient speaker into an ISO cab...

I just have not liked the modern Celestions. I put Scumbacks into my new 2x12 cabs that replaced the vintage 4x12's I moved. Still early but I am pretty pleased with them so far. They cost but but not a lot more than the Celestion counterparts

I owned Scumbacks for two of my cabs. They are great, but unfortunately, I was not a fan of their breakup characteristics.

I have a cab you would probably LOVE, tho -- a 70s Hiwatt cab w square back Fane Crescendos.

They have the most insane breakup ... pure joy to play!

Inefficient as hell, tho!

Picture from my last recording session that I used the cab on:

 

[xxxplorer]

Re: Diezel oversized 2x12 cab with Eminence speakers

Looking at a 4x12 gut shot is like looking under the hood of an old muscle car. Everything is dead simple and clean (good ones) and it is just fun to look at!

 

[TheTranslator]

Re: Diezel oversized 2x12 cab with Eminence speakers

You are both wrong. There are many reasons to not use a Celestion, you are just being too snobbish to enquire what those reasons are.

Maybe so, but reading comments like this (on the Youtube forum) doesn't help matters.

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Celestion V30 vs G12H30 vs G12T75 vs K100 w Rivera Venus 6

"I have a Marshall 1960 loaded with 75s that sounds great with a Mesa rectifier solo 50. My Avatar 212 Vintage has two G12H-30s that sound great witth my Mesa Mark iv or Marshall TSL60. My rack has a Mesa 50/50 power amp and the Axe Fx Ultra.That works best with my Mesa stiletto 412 with V30s. These speakers all sound great in different combinations.I have a Marshall 1966A 212 with Eminence screamin eagles. That sounds like s**t no matter what i run through it!"

 

[TwilightOdyssey]

Re: Diezel oversized 2x12 cab with Eminence speakers

Maybe so, but reading comments like this (on the Youtube forum) doesn't help matters.

You don't want help; you want to troll and I'm not about to help you do that. You are now on my ignore list, as well. Have a nice life!

 

[Lewguitar]

Re: Diezel oversized 2x12 cab with Eminence speakers

I don't get it. Has the OP made some posts in the past that you guys thought was trolling? Because I don't read anything in this thread to imply that.

In fact, I agree with him. Some of the Emi's are fine speakers but I don't like any Eminence speakers I've tried or owned as much as my favorite Celestions.

At one time I was very familiar with the various Emi models and was even asked by Eminence to be a speaker demonstrator for them. I didn't have the time. I had a custom furniture business to run.

Anyway, what's up with troll accusations?

 

[nedcronin]

Re: Diezel oversized 2x12 cab with Eminence speakers

Yeah I don't get the trolling reference. He can't have opinions on speakers? Help me out here guys is there a certain amount of posts you have to make before you can express an opinion?

 

[Van Noord]

Re: Diezel oversized 2x12 cab with Eminence speakers

Remember, you gotta put the right tire on the right car.