Difference between Antiquity and Antiquity II?
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Re: Difference between Antiquity and Antiquity II?
Ant I is like the 50s line, Alnico 2 magnet, and i found them to be "relic''d" a bit more....my Antiquity I Texas Hot strat pickup looked older than the Antiquity II Surfer or Antiquity II Tele bridge i had. the antiquity II are like 60s pickups (for example, tele coils are wrapped in white cloth) and they have Alnico 5 mag
Ant I is like the 50s line, Alnico 2 magnet, and i found them to be "relic''d" a bit more....my Antiquity I Texas Hot strat pickup looked older than the Antiquity II Surfer or Antiquity II Tele bridge i had. the antiquity II are like 60s pickups (for example, tele coils are wrapped in white cloth) and they have Alnico 5 mag
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Lewguitar
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If we're talking about Teles, the Ant I's are flat poled and the Ant 55 has a raised D and A...I'm pretty sure both use alnico 2 magnets but they don't sound exactly like 50's pickups...they kind of have thier own thing going. As far as the Tele Ant I, it does remind me of Roy Buchanan but it has less bass and less bite to the treble than a real alnico 5 early 53 Tele pickup like is in Nancy, Roy's Tele. The Ant II's are alnico 5: more bass...less mids...spankier/brighter treble...and they have raised and staggered polepieces, not flat.
If we're talking about Teles, the Ant I's are flat poled and the Ant 55 has a raised D and A...I'm pretty sure both use alnico 2 magnets but they don't sound exactly like 50's pickups...they kind of have thier own thing going. As far as the Tele Ant I, it does remind me of Roy Buchanan but it has less bass and less bite to the treble than a real alnico 5 early 53 Tele pickup like is in Nancy, Roy's Tele. The Ant II's are alnico 5: more bass...less mids...spankier/brighter treble...and they have raised and staggered polepieces, not flat.
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Lewguitar
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Here's Seymour's description of the Antiquity Tele pickups:
11024-22 bridge (lead) pickup for telecaster®
I have a great time re-creating the beauty of an early '50s lead pickup Tele®. Using vintage techniques, each pickup is hand-fabricated and scatter-wound. All parts of the pickup are aged and given the look of a pickup played for 40 years! Like the originals, the ferrous bottom plates are not wax-potted for that "breakin'-up Tele twang tone" that's just on the verge of feedback. The pickups are Dun-Aged™ and come with mounting hardware, schematics, and tons of tone! The hookup wire is the classic "p back" cloth braid wire.
11024-27 1955 bridge (lead) pickup for telecaster® (raised D & G pole)
After early production of the flat pole lead pickup for Telecaster®, the pickups were manufactured with a raised D & G pole for better string response and output. These classic pickups had great sound too, and I wanted to re-create the look and sound of this classic.
11024-32 & 33 • antiquity II™ for tele, rhythm & lead
Back in the mid ‘60s, Fender was only making Tele®s with rosewood fingerboards. I kept asking Bill Carson to make an all-maple slab board neck for me. These pickups are pretty much the same ones that I wound for that guitar — one of my all-time favorite Tele®s. I keep the tone and look faithful, but I also wax pot them to reduce unwanted feedback when using high powered amps and effects.
Here's Seymour's description of the Antiquity Tele pickups:
11024-22 bridge (lead) pickup for telecaster®
I have a great time re-creating the beauty of an early '50s lead pickup Tele®. Using vintage techniques, each pickup is hand-fabricated and scatter-wound. All parts of the pickup are aged and given the look of a pickup played for 40 years! Like the originals, the ferrous bottom plates are not wax-potted for that "breakin'-up Tele twang tone" that's just on the verge of feedback. The pickups are Dun-Aged™ and come with mounting hardware, schematics, and tons of tone! The hookup wire is the classic "p back" cloth braid wire.
11024-27 1955 bridge (lead) pickup for telecaster® (raised D & G pole)
After early production of the flat pole lead pickup for Telecaster®, the pickups were manufactured with a raised D & G pole for better string response and output. These classic pickups had great sound too, and I wanted to re-create the look and sound of this classic.
11024-32 & 33 • antiquity II™ for tele, rhythm & lead
Back in the mid ‘60s, Fender was only making Tele®s with rosewood fingerboards. I kept asking Bill Carson to make an all-maple slab board neck for me. These pickups are pretty much the same ones that I wound for that guitar — one of my all-time favorite Tele®s. I keep the tone and look faithful, but I also wax pot them to reduce unwanted feedback when using high powered amps and effects.
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Lewguitar
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Re: Difference between Antiquity and Antiquity II?
Well...it's all relative. But the alnico 5 Tele pickups do seem to have more bass when I compare than to the alnico 2 Antiquity Tele pickups.
ArtieToo said:
Well...it's all relative. But the alnico 5 Tele pickups do seem to have more bass when I compare than to the alnico 2 Antiquity Tele pickups.
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Falstaff
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Artie...do you get a nice deep twang from the low strings? I have another manufacturer's take on the 60's and I freakin' love mine too. I'm just curious, as I haven't heard much about the Ant II.
ArtieToo said:
Artie...do you get a nice deep twang from the low strings? I have another manufacturer's take on the 60's and I freakin' love mine too. I'm just curious, as I haven't heard much about the Ant II.
Artie
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Re: Difference between Antiquity and Antiquity II?
Thats probably a fair statement. The pup that came out of here was shallow and lifeless. I posted a quick & simple clip in the "Tips and Clips" section. Not sure if that will help.
https://forum.seymourduncan.com/showthread.php?t=61345
Artie
Falstaff said:
Thats probably a fair statement. The pup that came out of here was shallow and lifeless. I posted a quick & simple clip in the "Tips and Clips" section. Not sure if that will help.
https://forum.seymourduncan.com/showthread.php?t=61345
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Falstaff
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Re: Difference between Antiquity and Antiquity II?
Cool clip! Thanks for point me towards it.
ArtieToo said:
Cool clip! Thanks for point me towards it.
Re: Difference between Antiquity and Antiquity II?
Lew, would your characterization of the magnet and tonal differences of the Ant II apply to the Tele neck pickup also? Looking at the specs on the Duncan website, the only difference I noticed between I & II Tele neck pups was the Ant II has the polepieces "raised" on the bottom instead of flush.
I've got a slabboard Tele with a fairly heavy ash body, presently with a Fender "Original Vintage" neck pup. The Fender neck pup measures 7.9K and has a tonal emphasis a bit lower in frequency than I would like. (I'd like to nail Jimmy Page's tone in "I Can't Quit You Baby" on Zep I; the closest I've come is using my Pod 2.0 with the Blackface [Deluxe Reverb] amp setting and a Vox cabinet setting, I think it's the AC15 one 12" I use; with a little compression and of course delay. I use Ernie Ball Super Slinkys just like Page did. Page's Tele was supposedly a '59, but I don't know whether that would have been Alnico 2 or 5, assuming the neck pup was original.)
Any opinions on whether the Antiquity II Tele neck pup would be better than
the I for getting that tone?
Lewguitar said:
Lew, would your characterization of the magnet and tonal differences of the Ant II apply to the Tele neck pickup also? Looking at the specs on the Duncan website, the only difference I noticed between I & II Tele neck pups was the Ant II has the polepieces "raised" on the bottom instead of flush.
I've got a slabboard Tele with a fairly heavy ash body, presently with a Fender "Original Vintage" neck pup. The Fender neck pup measures 7.9K and has a tonal emphasis a bit lower in frequency than I would like. (I'd like to nail Jimmy Page's tone in "I Can't Quit You Baby" on Zep I; the closest I've come is using my Pod 2.0 with the Blackface [Deluxe Reverb] amp setting and a Vox cabinet setting, I think it's the AC15 one 12" I use; with a little compression and of course delay. I use Ernie Ball Super Slinkys just like Page did. Page's Tele was supposedly a '59, but I don't know whether that would have been Alnico 2 or 5, assuming the neck pup was original.)
Any opinions on whether the Antiquity II Tele neck pup would be better than
the I for getting that tone?
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Lewguitar
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Re: Difference between Antiquity and Antiquity II?
Jimmy Page's alnico 5 pickups in his Tele are closer to the alnico 5 Ant II than the alnico 2 Ant I.
I can get very close to Jimmy's Tele tone with my Tele with alnico 5 pickups when I play it through a Boss DS-1 with the distortion turned low through one of my late 50's tweed Fender Deluxe amps...gets a killer Led Zep tone.
He's playing through a Supro Thunderbolt amp with a 15" speaker on that cut I think...Jimmy is a master at miking technique. He doesn't get that same tone live, IMO.
Lew
Jimmy Page's alnico 5 pickups in his Tele are closer to the alnico 5 Ant II than the alnico 2 Ant I.
I can get very close to Jimmy's Tele tone with my Tele with alnico 5 pickups when I play it through a Boss DS-1 with the distortion turned low through one of my late 50's tweed Fender Deluxe amps...gets a killer Led Zep tone.
He's playing through a Supro Thunderbolt amp with a 15" speaker on that cut I think...Jimmy is a master at miking technique. He doesn't get that same tone live, IMO.
Lew
JacksonMIA
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Re: Difference between Antiquity and Antiquity II?
Sounds to me like it would be a great pickup for either body wood.
Sounds to me like it would be a great pickup for either body wood.
