Difference between these two humbuckers?

[mountain2012]

Let's say, hypothetically, I have two humbuckers with everything identical except one is wound to 8k with 42 awg wire and the other is wound to 10k with 43 wire resulting in almost the same output from the two.

In general, what would be the tonal differences?

 

[LtKojak]

Re: Difference between these two humbuckers?

The AWG#43 wound coil will be smaller, so it'll have more hi-mids and less mid-lows.

Not very useful as a neck p'up. It'll sound very nasal.

As a bridge, it'll need a hi-powered magnet like an A8 or it'll sound anemic and wimpy.

You're already designing VERY BAD pickups indeed, man. Don't quit your day job just yet... just sayin'!

 

[jeremy]

Re: Difference between these two humbuckers?

I don't necessarily agree with that. the screamin demon is a 10k #43 bridge pup and lots of people like it
ive made a few #43 neck pups that were around 10k and the customers loved them

 

[mountain2012]

Re: Difference between these two humbuckers?

I suspect the Duncan Custom is wound with 44 wire. Anybody know? If so it's similar to the Screamin' Demon in being underwound compared to other pickups using the same wire gauge and magnet.

 

[GilmourD]

Re: Difference between these two humbuckers?

I suspect the Duncan Custom is wound with 44 wire. Anybody know? If so it's similar to the Screamin' Demon in being underwound compared to other pickups using the same wire gauge and magnet.

No, it's 43 and it's around 14K

One reason, from what I understand, that the '59 coil and the Custom coil work so well together in a hybrid is that they actually contain roughly the same amount of actual copper, even if the wire in the Custom coil is thinner.

Also, remember... You can have two pickups around 8K wound with 42 gauge wire and they could sound different depending on how tightly the coils are wound and other factors. There's a lot of geometry involved in where that wire is in relation to the disturbances of the magnetic field caused by a vibrating string.

 

[LtKojak]

Re: Difference between these two humbuckers?

I don't necessarily agree with that. the screamin demon is a 10k #43 bridge pup and lots of people like it
ive made a few #43 neck pups that were around 10k and the customers loved them

I can only cite an excerpt of Tom Zart's poem called "Garage Sale":

"One man's trash is another man's treasure"

HTH,

 

[dominus]

Re: Difference between these two humbuckers?

The AWG#43 wound coil will be smaller, so it'll have more hi-mids and less mid-lows.

Not very useful as a neck p'up. It'll sound very nasal.

As a bridge, it'll need a hi-powered magnet like an A8 or it'll sound anemic and wimpy.

You're already designing VERY BAD pickups indeed, man. Don't quit your day job just yet... just sayin'!

I don't necessarily agree with that. the screamin demon is a 10k #43 bridge pup and lots of people like it
ive made a few #43 neck pups that were around 10k and the customers loved them

I can only cite an excerpt of Tom Zart's poem called "Garage Sale":

"One man's trash is another man's treasure"

HTH,

Agreed. The Screamin' Demon is wimpy trash.

 

[mountain2012]

Re: Difference between these two humbuckers?

Agreed. The Screamin' Demon is wimpy trash.

Are you being sarcastic?

 

[dominus]

Re: Difference between these two humbuckers?

Are you being sarcastic?

Not at all. That's one of the few pickups that I hate. After the third time trying it out (over a period of 10 years), I said never again.

 

[LtKojak]

Re: Difference between these two humbuckers?

Not at all. That's one of the few pickups that I hate. After the third time trying it out (over a period of 10 years), I said never again.

You dog! :lmao:

 

[dr.barlo]

Re: Difference between these two humbuckers?

204. What effect does magnet wire gauge have on DC resistance and resonant peak.
As a general rule..using the same number of turns on a pickup and different gauges of magnet wire will give you different DC resistance’s and Different resonant peaks. Winding a coil with 8,000 turns of 42 AWG will sound brighter and have a higher resonant peak than a coil wound with 8,000 turns of 43 AWG magnet wire.

http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/faq/seymours-q-a/201225/

Duncan's Q&A's are great.

202. Do you use thinner gauge of magnet wire to get more turns in the same amount of space or are there other advantages?
If you are using a bobbin with a limited amount of space then you can either use a thinner insulation or use the next thinner 1/2 or full gauge magnet wire. As the number for magnet wire increases the diameter decreases. Using a smaller diameter magnet wire will allow you to wind with an increased number of turns will give you more output with less highend. If you use 7600 turns with 42 gauge magnet wire the DC resistance can be 5.8K Ohms...If you use 7600 turns of 43 gauge magnet wire the DC resistance can be 7.5K Ohms. Even with the extra space, adding turns will really increase the DC resistance. Using the 43 gauge magnet wire and adding another 1000 turns will increase the DC resistance as much as a thousand ohms or possibly higher. As the coil diameter gets larger, the winding length of each turn slightly increases the DC resistance even more.

Hence, doing the math renders that 8K #42 pickup would, indeed, correspond to a 10.3K #43 pickup. So the PAF will sound brighter and would be more clear, higher resonant peak.

Peace,

B

 

[mountain2012]

Re: Difference between these two humbuckers?

http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/faq/seymours-q-a/201225/

Duncan's Q&A's are great.

T



Hence, doing the math renders that 8K #42 pickup would, indeed, correspond to a 10.3K #43 pickup. So the PAF will sound brighter and would be more clear, higher resonant peak.

Peace,

B

Thanks for the awesome resource!

What makes the Screamin' Demon a hot pickup, as it is labeled on Seymour's Tonechart?