digitech whammy 4 reissue

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i recently posted a thread about a leslie emmulator and based on all ur comments i went with the H&K and was fairly pleased. its not a leslie but its damn sweet for a pedal.

so anyways, still on my never ending quest for different sounds and tones to play with i am currently looking at the digitech whammy 4 reissue. ive never used the original so i dont have anything to compare it to. the reissue to me is decent, but ive had people in GC and smash tell me it doesnt even scratch the original which i found odd cause usually those guys just want to sell you anything. can any1 here give me a real opinion?
 
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. . . never tried the original, but i am VERY happy with my RI 4 !!!


Hell, the RI even has more features as the original - even Jack White & Tom Morello use the RI's, as far as i know !!!
 
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Dunno the IV may not be like the org....but I can live without the old one...plenty of fun in the IV and I like the funky sound of it!


. . . i have to argree on this !


Never heard the first units, but i can not point a finger at mine, saying: "i wish it could do something better" !

Can anyone please say in what department the first models are better in, than the RI's !
 
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From analogman.com FAQ on Whammy Pedals:

Why does everybody seem to prefer the old wh-1 Whammy over the new one?
The Whammy II had redesigned "improvements" made when over the original whammy when it was released. The biggest mistake was putting the input gain control in there - if you don't get the adjustment "just right" then it will not track the input pitch properly and, even if you do get it right, as the input decays the pitch tracking will eventually lose its "lock" on the signal.

The original WH-1 Whammy had a special circuit that the Whammy II does not (thus no "input level" control), allowing almost any input signal level to be dynamically scaled so that the pitch tracking can "lock on" faultlessly. This also meant that as the signal level decayed, the pitch would remain locked due to the scaling action. The Whammy II loses lock on the signal as it decays, resulting in a highly unpleasant "warbling" sound which you may have noticed if you've used one.

Why was the whammy modified?

The old red Whammy was probably changed because it was quite expensive and not selling as well as it could be. On most newer mass-marketed pedals, the price/cost is the main feature. In reality, the Whammy-II ended up costing almost as much (and even more in some areas) and people didn't like it nearly as much. It had some cool features (you didn't have to bend down to change modes, and it had the "toggle" feature to switch between your two favorites) but it did not SOUND the same, and it was a little less robust than the original version.

How about the reissue whammy?

It seems that they did not use the exact same algorithms as the original so they still don't sound quite as good. The original manual has a note Copyright 1990 IVL Technologies Ltd, looks like they were the ones who designed this pedal for DOD. You can find the manual on www.digitech.com.

Can you modify the reissue whammy?

No, we don't do any work on those due to the construction making it very difficult. We do a lot of true bypass mods on the original WH-1 pedal, even though it is a difficult job, because they are valuable and sound great. The bypass mod on a WH-1 is $60 plus S & H.
 
Re: digitech whammy 4 reissue

From analogman.com FAQ on Whammy Pedals:

Why does everybody seem to prefer the old wh-1 Whammy over the new one?
The Whammy II had redesigned "improvements" made when over the original whammy when it was released. The biggest mistake was putting the input gain control in there - if you don't get the adjustment "just right" then it will not track the input pitch properly and, even if you do get it right, as the input decays the pitch tracking will eventually lose its "lock" on the signal.

The original WH-1 Whammy had a special circuit that the Whammy II does not (thus no "input level" control), allowing almost any input signal level to be dynamically scaled so that the pitch tracking can "lock on" faultlessly. This also meant that as the signal level decayed, the pitch would remain locked due to the scaling action. The Whammy II loses lock on the signal as it decays, resulting in a highly unpleasant "warbling" sound which you may have noticed if you've used one.

Why was the whammy modified?

The old red Whammy was probably changed because it was quite expensive and not selling as well as it could be. On most newer mass-marketed pedals, the price/cost is the main feature. In reality, the Whammy-II ended up costing almost as much (and even more in some areas) and people didn't like it nearly as much. It had some cool features (you didn't have to bend down to change modes, and it had the "toggle" feature to switch between your two favorites) but it did not SOUND the same, and it was a little less robust than the original version.

How about the reissue whammy?

It seems that they did not use the exact same algorithms as the original so they still don't sound quite as good. The original manual has a note Copyright 1990 IVL Technologies Ltd, looks like they were the ones who designed this pedal for DOD. You can find the manual on www.digitech.com.

Can you modify the reissue whammy?

No, we don't do any work on those due to the construction making it very difficult. We do a lot of true bypass mods on the original WH-1 pedal, even though it is a difficult job, because they are valuable and sound great. The bypass mod on a WH-1 is $60 plus S & H.

There are very few people of this forum whose opinion I value more than TGWIF. However, if you have never had an original Whammy I, will you ever know what it will sound like compared to the original? I've never had one, and the reissue sounds just fine for my needs. Of course I'm not using it for stuff all of the time like White and Morello. So I'm with Rid on this one.
 
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i've always been curious about how much better the original is. i have a reissue on my board and use it now and again and have no real major complaints. i'd love to get an original to swap in and A/B with my reissue but at the prices those things go for i can't justify spending that much cash just to hope it's that much better like people say it is without being able to try one first. so i'm stuck in this never ending loop of...is it that much better? is it worth it? (and no you guys just saying it's better isn't enough to get me to blow that much cash on a real one without some hands on personal A/B use first)

what i don't understand is why doesn't digitech just do a reissue that's 100% correct even down to the looks. charge a bit more over the regular one and give people what they want.

-Mike
 
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Gripweed: Thanks for the kind words...

The truth is that when the reissues (WH-4) came out I figured I'd get one and sell my WH1 for the crazy price...after getting the WH4 I decided real quick that it just didn't hold up caompared to the WH1 so I kept the WH1 and returned the WH4. Yes, if you've never heard whammy pedal the WH4 is nice but if you've ever tried a WH1 it's just not there in the WH4...at least not to me.
 
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Wow! $600 for an original on eBay. How much were they when they first came out?

The first popped up in 90 or 91 and were very unpopular but kind of pricy, however, not that pricy! Im not sure what they were but it was a lot less that $600. FWIW, $600 is a good price!!! I have seen original WH-1's bring close to a grand!
 
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I have tried both, and the WH-1 is the thing....but for the usage that I am doing....I am never going to pay anything remotely close to what the pricing is nowadays, then I rather buy some highend 19" Eventide and get it programmed instead.
The WH-4 suits me fine, I stick an comp in front of it, it tracks good enough, plus I like how it can be trashed into funny noises, it is almost like having a modern Hendrix feel like pedal to me...funky and lo-fi;)
 
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Well i own the Whammy IV and i have to say it has great tones and great Flaws.
The Harmonizers are really useless for me.The tones are too sharp edged and it can't be compared with a good Harmonizer!
The Octaver function is great and i really dig it sometimes.It gives you play bass if you can't find one!
The Whammy Function is great as allways.Not enogh warm and precise as the original one ,but really good and unbeatable for that price!

The detune options are funny ,i don't use it actually but could be used sometimes!

i use it to create crazy harmonics and funny lead parts.
But a good guitar with a OFR can give you the same oportunities without sucking the tone that much.
But if you think of Rythm player who actually prefer hardtails ,it's a Magic!

For the questions why the first Version sounds better and the last one doesn't.
Digitech do not own the patent for some circuits from the first device.So they can't use or copy it as it was.I think they emulate it in a way!
 
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what i don't understand is why doesn't digitech just do a reissue that's 100% correct even down to the looks. charge a bit more over the regular one and give people what they want.

The odds are that they can't get the right to use the same data they had from the originals. It could be that the company that designed it went under or someone is holding out for big bucks or it might of been bought by another company.

Wow! $600 for an original on eBay. How much were they when they first came out?

They were pricey. I could swear they were well over a hundred bucks and maybe even closer to 2 bills.

They seem like alot of fun...I've almost talked myself into getting one a few times.
 
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