DiMarzio vs. Seymour Duncan

daveyisgreat

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So this isn't really supposed to be a post that stirs up anything. I'm just going to tell my story.

I recently concluded my experiment with DiMarzio pickups. They were the first aftermarket pickups I'd heard of, all my favorite players played them when I was first starting out (Petrucci, Satriani, Vai, pre-Peavey EVH, etc.) so naturally when I changed the pickup in my first guitar, a Fender Prodigy, I went with a DiMarzio Fred. Then I put together a parts guitar and installed an Air Zone and an Air Norton. All the DiMarzio pickups I used were all clear upgrades from the stock pickup in my Fender that I had been used to after playing it the first couple years. And they do build great pickups that many people love.

I put together a super strat with a JB and Pearly Gates, and it sounded merely decent, so I wasn't really impressed with Duncans. But I always had wiring issues with that one because I tried a complicated 5-way wiring scheme that was never really sorted, so I never really knew how it sounded until I completely rewired it with a 4-way tele wiring kit. Wow. It just came alive. It totally changed my opinion about Duncans.

About a year ago I got a Concept Set and a Seymour Duncan Custom Shop single coil and installed it in an early 90s Ibanez with a mahogany/padauk body and traditional trem, that I got for a very low price -- the pickups cost the same as the guitar! The guitar is well worn and well played, and with these Duncan pickups in it, the guitar is an absolute monster. It's warm, articulate, smooth and raunchy all at once. Just a great guitar, no doubt in large part because of the pickups.

I also had a set of custom made DiMarzio Norton and Air Norton pickups that had gold covers, long legs, and single conductor braided leads. I installed them in a Les Paul Custom with an ebony board. It's a resonant, articulate, mid-rangey guitar, that I thought would be a good match for the midrange emphasis of the Norton. I was wrong. The neck pickup sounds good, with a warm, round character. But the bridge is all mids, all the time, and clumsily so. It's very one-dimensional, with the mids overpowering the lows and highs. That's not always the worst thing -- mids are great in a live situation when they cut through the rest of the band. But in this instance they are unpleasingly overpowering. And to top it all off, the pickups deadened the guitar's natural responsiveness through an amp. They sound and feel lifeless.

I got a set of Antiquities and I'm really excited to get them installed in my LPC. I'm anxious to bring the guitar back to life and enjoy its natural, lively resonance through my amp again!

And I had planned to drop the gold DiMarzios in another Ibanez guitar (an RG with a JEM neck) but I scrapped that idea when I came across the Seymour Duncan Custom Shop Eclair set. That's going to be a fun guitar with the Eclair pickups in it! Love the name. Eclair. Awesome.

So I've come around to Seymour Duncan pickups once again, and I'll be using them from now on. DiMarzio makes great pickups that many people really love, and that work great for them. But Seymour Duncan pickups work for me.

Thanks for reading!
 
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Nice story! Well done. I have Antiquities in my LP Custom and absolutely love them. I think you'll be pleased
 
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Great post. There's no "right" or "wrong" in the wide world of pickups and I'm glad you found what works for you. Let us know what you think of the Éclair set!
 
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I like the way you say it made the guitar sound alive. That exactly how I described the sound when I installed the JB/ Jazz in my Ibby.
Dimarzio makes fine pickups. I got a Breed from a forum bro, that is waiting to be installed.
 
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Generally speaking, the skill in pickup upgrading is matching the qualities of any given model to the host guitar.
 
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Generally speaking, the skill in pickup upgrading is matching the qualities of any given model to the host guitar.

I am apparently an unskilled pickup upgrader. Ha!

Anyway, I finally got the pickguard wired up with the Eclairs and a 5-2 bridge model in the middle spot and ready to install in the Ibanez, but the aftermarket pickguard screw holes don't all match up perfectly, so I have to plug some holes and drill new ones. Eclair review will be coming soon!

Unfortunately it will be a while before I can get the antiquities in my LPC. I'm super anxious to get it back into fighting shape!
 
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Be prepared when you do your review of your CS pickups. Some people that think they know better (but don't) are known to show up and make incorrect comments. It's why I'm not doing any CS reviews...but something tells me you probably won't get hassled by the same stupidity.


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The way I see it: both Duncan and DiMarzio make models I like and models I don't like, but they both produce high quality pieces.

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The way I see it: both Duncan and DiMarzio make models I like and models I don't like, but they both produce high quality pieces.

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True. I really want to love the Norton; it was great in a PRS Singlecut that I used to have.
 
Re: DiMarzio vs. Seymour Duncan

Both manufacturers make a wide assortment of PU's that appeal to a variety players. I don't think there's a 'Duncan sound' or a DiMarzio sound.' Part of a PU's tone is from how it reacts to the wood, guitar design, amp, pedals, etc. Lots of variables and either brand may be the best choice. I happen to own more Duncan's because they offer a bigger assortment of PAF's.
 
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I've played guitars with pickups from both manufacturers.

Currently I'm playing Duncans and Zhangbuckers.
 
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The good thing is, there is something for everybody, the bad thing is, there's so much to choose from and they all sound different.
 
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I use both, and has found that DMZ is usually tighter and colors the sound more.
 
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Both makers have outstanding stuff out there.

The DMZ Breed bridge is one of my favorite pickups ever. Pure awesome thick sounds.
And the Screamin' Demon is phenomenal if clear, precise rhythms are what you want.

I should get a Breed, put my Screamin' Demon in the neck and do a DMZ/SD pairing! Haha
 
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Here's the thing: both make a wide range of pickups that will have something you love.

Both make VINTAGE and MODERN pickups that are second to none.

They appear to operate from very different design philosophy.

Dimarzio is very focused on Bill Lawrence style ultra novel approaches to even basic vintage voices, for better or worse.

Duncan puts an emphasis on detailed part for part, method for method construction accuracy.

My guess is that this is the biggest divergence and they probably both have hired engineers helping with the ultra modern designs.
 
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After having gone through seven matched sets of DiMarzios and more Duncans than I can count, I think it's safe to say that Duncan holds vintage as a higher ideal while DiMarzio values a more modern, aggressive tone. Even SD's modern pickups are somewhat reverent to vintage voicings, where as whenever DiMarzio tries to make a vintage pickup, they can't help but put a modern twist on it.

My most recent DiMarzio set is Air Classics, said to be a PAF that shares characteristics of an A2 and an A5, sounded promising, but I'd say its more like a PAF on a pot of coffee, very loud and touch sensitive while still somehow being PAF voiced. I was hoping for more of a mellow pickup, but I didn't find it here. The True Velvets promised to be a vintage style Strat pickup with good string balance up the neck, again, they achieve this with a lower resonance peak, meaning less glass, less vintage. DiMarzio just doesn't like to make mellow, understated vintage pickups, and I constantly forget this reality when I'm shopping for pickups.
 
Re: DiMarzio vs. Seymour Duncan

After having gone through seven matched sets of DiMarzios and more Duncans than I can count, I think it's safe to say that Duncan holds vintage as a higher ideal while DiMarzio values a more modern, aggressive tone. Even SD's modern pickups are somewhat reverent to vintage voicings, where as whenever DiMarzio tries to make a vintage pickup, they can't help but put a modern twist on it.

My most recent DiMarzio set is Air Classics, said to be a PAF that shares characteristics of an A2 and an A5, sounded promising, but I'd say its more like a PAF on a pot of coffee, very loud and touch sensitive while still somehow being PAF voiced. I was hoping for more of a mellow pickup, but I didn't find it here. The True Velvets promised to be a vintage style Strat pickup with good string balance up the neck, again, they achieve this with a lower resonance peak, meaning less glass, less vintage. DiMarzio just doesn't like to make mellow, understated vintage pickups, and I constantly forget this reality when I'm shopping for pickups.

This is a very well written and accurate description of the differences I've found as well.
 
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I am apparently an unskilled pickup upgrader. Ha!

Anyway, I finally got the pickguard wired up with the Eclairs and a 5-2 bridge model in the middle spot and ready to install in the Ibanez, but the aftermarket pickguard screw holes don't all match up perfectly, so I have to plug some holes and drill new ones. Eclair review will be coming soon!

Unfortunately it will be a while before I can get the antiquities in my LPC. I'm super anxious to get it back into fighting shape!



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