Disappointed in XXX XXX Super 40 EFX Combo

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Robert brings up a good point. The XXX has insane amounts of gain even for metal. If you have that dimed out that part of your problem. Combined with the higher output of an 81 that will sound like complete ****. The fact that its an open back 1x12 is also going to hurt the low end a bit. If you nudge up the lows a little and use the "loose" damping setting it helps a bit.

And yes, with vol on 1 its never going to sound all that great. So in short, turn the gain down and turn the volume up. You aren't going to do any better in that price range than what you have IMO
 
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Robert S. said:
After glancing over the manual I am optimistic that there is a solution and that you wil get useable tone from that amp. At first I was worried that Peavey might have used a SS preamp in those and their marketing on that amp boasts an "all tube" power section but their preamp descriptions made me wonder. The manual lists 3 12ax7s though so that part is all good.

The other thing that sent up flags was the EXF prefix. Peavey, Crate and other makers have historically put effects into their lower end amps to make them sell better and to cover up marginal tone. Peaveys marketing for this amp statiing that this amp obviates (fancy word, huh) the need for pedals but its been my experience that DSP effects in an amp usually obviates the need for the amp itself. Once again, the 12ax7s and 6L6s ease my worries a bit.

Strip away all the extras and you have a 40 watt tube combo and thats not a bad starting point. The trick for you now is to figure out what all the buttons and knobs actually do to your tone and to dial in your tone. That amp has active tone stacks and EQing as well as quite a bit of preamp gain coupled with different boosts and shifts. You really need to remove or reduce alot of that gain at first and find the amps natural tone.

The harder you kick the bee hive, the louder the bees will buzz. Your amp is the same way. The more gain you add to your signal the more it will buzz. Graininess in your tone is most likely caused by you and your excitement over a new amp. "There is a button, push it - there is a knob, turn it" and make it go zoom thinking is common but often fatal to tone. With high gain amps less is often more and learning that is a hard lesson. Remember that all those active controls are meant for shaping your tone and with a 15 db boost available in multiple places you really have to go light on the controls or you will push your amp into ratty, harsh tones.

Instead of finding out how much torque that amp has, (I know thats why you bought it) try the opposite. Go to the clean channel and find out how warm and round you can make the tone. Set the tone controls to 12 oclock (no boost and no reduction), turn off any resonance, boosts, EQing or anything else that adds to the basic circuit. Your tone is too grainy now so find out what you can do with its most basic tone. From there you can turn one knob at a time and see its effect on the tone of the amp. Always return that knob to its original position before turning another and soon you'll see what some of the possibilities are.

From there start adding gain slowly and experiment getting a warm clip from the amp. This will sound like a warm, light crunch and will also sound more bluesy than metal. The distortion will increase the harder you play the guitar. Once again experiment with the controls one at a time to see how the amp responds.

Keep adding gain a little at a time and keep experimenting. As soon as your tone starts to get harsh find out why. That won't be easy as you have all sorts of control available but it will be easier doing it this way than it will be to turn everything on and to 10 and then start subtracting.


well said young man!! hows tricks?
 
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Yes..Robert is VERY wise for a 5 year old :laugh2:

Seriously..GREAT post, and spot-on.


Bottom line...back off the gain to half of what you think you need, set the controls neutral and crank it.

Tube amps (under gain) are all or nothing affairs...with some volume, nothing can touch them...at very low volume, there aren't many things that sound worse.

You may want to invest in a power attentuator as well.

If you need killer tones at bedroom levels...try the POD/ POD XTL into an Atomic Reactor, MUCH nicer/warmer than the Flextone. I wish my clips did it justice.
 
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GREAT Post robert. I enjoyed reading that a lot.
When you have such a high gain amp, you indeed don't need to try it out with the gain on 10. You're guaranteed to sound mushier and not much more heavy than with it on 5 or 6. Now if you even add a high output pickup to it, AND You play at low level, don't expect miracles. It's the way tubes amp are. SS is straight forward, tubes are subtle. The amp will be way more responsive to every factors that'll influence the sound.
 
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wow Robert S that was a good post(s).... Good tips! Ya that little combo should kick some butt... I have not played thru one yet but i bet it is a useful combo.. But i also wonder if that Peavey is the same as my C30 combo.... I hate my C30 at bedroom levels but once i get it turned up it kicks some butt.... Once those power tubes kick in then some fun starts to happen...

Also i have found it hard over the years to get a huge bottom end from combos... A lot of metal guys want that huge 4x12 stacks of Higain amp sounds from a Combo.... their is not many 1x12 combos that will give you that same bottom end....
 
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WhoFan said:
Also i have found it hard over the years to get a huge bottom end from combos... A lot of metal guys want that huge 4x12 stacks of Higain amp sounds from a Combo.... their is not many 1x12 combos that will give you that same bottom end....


Sooooooo true... I love my Rivera for that very reason. Best bottom end of any tube combo I've ever had. Still not a 4x12, but so much better than most combos.
 
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Tricks are good Jeremy, treats are better!

We made it through Xmas with no bloodshed and we're staying home tonight so I should be safe and sound until at least monday. Hayley got me a Morley Bad Horsey Contour 2 wa and it sounds absolutely badass through the Mesa rack.

I ain't seen you in a couple o' weeks but I'm guessing all is well, as usual.

Now get back to work, I'm gonna want the Supro worked on soon so clear your freakin bench!
 
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I just got my first tube amp also, about 3 weeks ago. It's a Mesa Mark III Simul Class combo and it is just as complicated as your XXX. At first I thought it sounded like crap and I was seriously considering taking it back and getting a PA and speaker cab for my Podxt. Then I really sat down with it, worked the graphic EQ, the gain knobs, push/pull features and the mid bass treble knobs, and finally, cranked that mofo. Perfect tone. Going from SS/modeling to tube is difficult because your ears are trained to hear perfect tone and smoothness at low levels, as well as music we here via CDs and the radio. But recorded tube amps are cranked and to get that same tone you gotta crank your tube amp. My Mark III pretty much sounds like a Squire practice amp at low bed room levels, but when cranked, hello Petrucci and any metal/progressive tone I want!. Guys have tube amps for gigging and modelers/SS amps for practice for a good reason.

So don't give up, I was right in that boat with ya a few weeks ago.
 
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The XXX is a great amp there are most defintely useable sounds out of it.

First off with the active EQ it takes a bit of tweaking to get used to, small changes make big differences. Set everything straight up and work from there. The Crunch channel is by far the most versatile and is probably the best place to start from, again I wouldn't set the gain past half way until you start to dial it in. The verb is a little weak but for a hi gain amp it is fine, I find a little chorus on the clean channel really works well to liven it up.

The stock tubes are just so-so but they aren't ruining the amp by any means. If you can can get a trio of Ruby pre's or even the GT 12AX7R's, they aren't much money and make a big difference, I also like Svet power tubes over the stockers but that'll cost you a bit more.

Be patient and learn a littel about what you have there. You won't get tons of bottom out of a 1x12 open back combo but it still has plenty of beef.
 
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Siituations like this are the reason I would NEVER, EVER buy an amp through mail order,only possible exception is if I´ve played the exact model at another store ;)
 
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so i got a pretty sick tone out of it, when cranked. when i lower it back to bedroom levels though, it sounds awful again. bedroom levels are what i play at 90% of the time so its a problem.
 
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milkandmeat said:
so i got a pretty sick tone out of it, when cranked. when i lower it back to bedroom levels though, it sounds awful again. bedroom levels are what i play at 90% of the time so its a problem.
Either raise your "bedroom level" up a notch, or get an attenuator.
 
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In all honesty, even an 18 watt Marshall is too loud for the bedroom. The best bedroom amp is a Pod into a mixing board with a CD player for tunes and headphones.
 
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Atomic w/ a POD or other modeller will do what ya want...at bedroom levels and it's a loud 18 watts for jamming with buddies/most band applications. They are coming out with a 50 watt version too I believe at Winter NAMM.
 
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Yeah, just about any tube amp will probably be too loud to play at bedroom levels with good tone. I've got an even bigger dillema, though because I have my Valveking 1x12 hooked up to an avatar 4x12. It sounds so much better at the same volume as compared to when I play it without the cab. The only problem is, when I plug it into the cab, I have to turn the volume on the amp down more, therefor compromising more tone. Ahhhh! It's a bit of a nightmare, but it's better than not having a tube amp at all I guess. If bottom end is what you're looking for, an extension cab might help quite a bit. My Valveking definately lacks some bottom end, but plugged into a 4x12 with Eminence V12s on bottom and the walls shake at 7 o'clock on the volume knob. Whatever the tone in your head may be, keep working at it. You'll find it sooner than later. Peace.
 
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looking at the prices on attenuators, the cheapest one i can find is the gibson one for $250. are there any cheaper ones? that seems way too expensive, i could almost buy another practice amp for my room for that much.
 
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The THD Hot Plate is probably the best option if you are looking for an attenuator. It runs about $300 and I know it's very pricy, but I'd get that before I purchased a new amp for practicing. I mean, your xxx is a killer amp from the sounds of it and you should be able achieve the tone in your head with it, so why settle for less than that. I guess if you wanted to go down the road of a new amp though, you could look into a POD. There are tons of usable tones and you could practice at bedroom levels, too.
Here's some links- Hot Plate- http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=home/search/detail/base_pid/481283/
POD Pro 2.0- http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=guitar/search/detail/base_pid/482222/
Good luck, man.
 
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Oh yeah, if price is an issue for an attenuator, maybe you could check out fleabay for a deal.
 
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I've got the 120wt version and have no issues getting an excellent sound at lower volumes, easily inthe bedroom range. You can crank the master and control the pre stage with the volume if you want a hotter power tube sound or you can bring pump the volume and bring the master down for more of a preamp distortion. Trust me keep messing with it you'll find the sweet spots they are there.
 
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