ThreeChordWonder
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And I think you missed the point that whilst Mincer's (no disrespect, Mincer), might not, mine does.
"Do It All" HH Wiring Questions
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Jack_TriPpEr
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Understood, but i also suspect that Dudeman7 did not understand when he was asked earlier if he wanted Parallel or Series and he answered "Series', that the question was asked with regards to how the 2 pickups are connected to each other in Positions 2 - 4, versus how the coils of each individual pickup are wired to each other in Positions 1, 3 and 5.
I may be wrong, but we'll see how he responds to my request for clarification about this point in the first of my replies today.
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You are absolutely correct in your assumptions. Standard series wiring for each soloed humbucker and PARALLEL in the 2, 3 and 4 positions is what I want. Standard Blacktop Strat switching with master volume and tone. I apologize for any confusion I have caused.
I also really appreciate the time you and TCW have taken to help.
Jack_TriPpEr
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Dudeman7,
Ok, but I don't know exactly what "standard Blacktop strat" has for the 5 pickup combinations. Is it the same as what Mincer's "do it all" wiring diagram yields? See my replies # 15 & 16 earlier.
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Yes, it's the same as Mincer's.
So, I just put everything back together and I found out a couple things:
I had originally said that the neck pickup wasn't splitting but it was. These are both covered pickups and what I was hearing from the tap test about the coils must have been sympathetic noise transfer from the active coil. The active coils are much louder during the test. Sorry about that!
Next, I had wired everything according to the original diagram in Mincer's thread, which was found to contain errors. To be fair, each position worked and I was able to get some great tones, but something just seemed a little off on the split positions as compared to how they sounded when the guitar was stock. What I suspect is that I was getting either both north coils or both south coils, the same thing Mincer had when using the same, original diagram.
According to the corrected diagram, the black and green wires on the neck pickup are reversed and the magnet is flipped. On mine, the black and green are reversed on the bridge pickup and the bridge magnet is flipped. Other than that one deviation, my guitar is wired according to the corrected diagram from post #76 in Mincer's thread.
So far, everything seems to be working correctly! I put the guitar back together, restrung it and the tap test passes on each position!
I will have to wait until tomorrow to see if it sounds right at volume, playing through my amp.
Thanks so much for your help and guidance! I would totally buy you guys a beer!
So, I just put everything back together and I found out a couple things:
I had originally said that the neck pickup wasn't splitting but it was. These are both covered pickups and what I was hearing from the tap test about the coils must have been sympathetic noise transfer from the active coil. The active coils are much louder during the test. Sorry about that!
Next, I had wired everything according to the original diagram in Mincer's thread, which was found to contain errors. To be fair, each position worked and I was able to get some great tones, but something just seemed a little off on the split positions as compared to how they sounded when the guitar was stock. What I suspect is that I was getting either both north coils or both south coils, the same thing Mincer had when using the same, original diagram.
According to the corrected diagram, the black and green wires on the neck pickup are reversed and the magnet is flipped. On mine, the black and green are reversed on the bridge pickup and the bridge magnet is flipped. Other than that one deviation, my guitar is wired according to the corrected diagram from post #76 in Mincer's thread.
So far, everything seems to be working correctly! I put the guitar back together, restrung it and the tap test passes on each position!
I will have to wait until tomorrow to see if it sounds right at volume, playing through my amp.
Thanks so much for your help and guidance! I would totally buy you guys a beer!
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Jack_TriPpEr
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I assume this means that you also wired the Neck pickup with Black as the Hot wire inatead of Green wire. If you did that and reversed the wiring on the Bridge pup like you described above, yes, that arrangement should also work.
I attached the diagram from Reply #76 in the other thread for easier reference.
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I assume this means that you also wired the Neck pickup with Black as the Hot wire inatead of Green wire. If you did that and reversed the wiring on the Bridge pup like you described above, yes, that arrangement should also work.
I attached the diagram from Reply #76 in the other thread for easier reference.
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Correct. Neck pickup has black hot, bridge has green hot and flipped magnet.
Thanks again for your help! I'm really excited to crank this up after work.
Thank you! I had a lot of help coming up with the correct way to wire it. I use it in all of my 2 humbucker, 1 5-way switch guitars.
Well, I cranked my amp up with this Blacktop Strat just now and it is working beautifully. Sounds like it should in all 5 positions, no phase issues and no hum. This could easily become the only guitar I have and I wouldn't feel like I was missing anything. It seriously does everything that I want a guitar to do.
Finally I can get this out of the back of my mind and move on to other projects!
Finally I can get this out of the back of my mind and move on to other projects!
Jack_TriPpEr
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This was frustrating because it had that wiring scheme from the factory, and I loved it, but changing the stock pickups required a complete rewire.
I'm super excited to have the excellent switching scheme back and also great SD pickups.
Bill Dennis
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How about having both? I rotated the neck pickup 180 but no mag flipping was required. The schematic is not mine. Found it online. Possibly even here. I don't remember. The guitar and wiring work are mine however.
Its the circuit from a Charvel DK24 Pro Mod HH 2pt. I loved it so much in that one that I replicated it in the Ibanez. The 4PDT you need is a little harder to find but not terribly so. I added shielding and a Kinman style treble bleed while I was as it. I thought about switching the tone control to a bass cut as well but opted against it. All positions are in phase and hum cancelling.
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Sorry to resurrect this thread but thank you Bill. I realised ages ago that my DK's neck pickup was built upside down judging from where the wire exited it. When I replaced it, I couldnt put the new pup in upside down with the SD logo on it. It just looked odd. So I flipped the magnet and the swapped the magnets to get the coils right. By chance, it all phased up properly and appears to be hum cancelling. Not being dilligent enough to work it out, I just kept trying combinations of the wiring to get there. I might even have had to wire the bridge backwards. I cant remember. Anyway, the point was I'm just happy you replicated it by putting the neck pup in upside down. It confirmed what I've suspected all along.
Well, the important part is that it is working. This still remains my favorite wiring for 2 humbuckers, too.
Chistopher
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Interesting, I have a guitar that has a PGn neck and Custom Custom bridge that requires a magnet flip in order for all positions to be in phase.
Just to reiterate an important piece of info that was made earlier in this thread, the wiring of the phase of the pickups is what determines noise canceling, not the phase relationship of the magnets.
Just to reiterate an important piece of info that was made earlier in this thread, the wiring of the phase of the pickups is what determines noise canceling, not the phase relationship of the magnets.
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