do non musicians like "reliced" or just old guitars?

[Johnny the Kid]

Re: do non musicians like "reliced" or just old guitars?

Dude your getting way too worked up take a deep breath and repeat after me "You cant argue with cheese" got it? ok

I'm having a rough couple of weeks. I should probably step away from here for a bit.

 

[MetalManiac]

Re: do non musicians like "reliced" or just old guitars?

c'mon Johnny guitar. Catch your breath like Crusher said.. loosen up, warm up ,and get back into it son! Step it up babe. You have a legacy to fulfill, and frankly, were counting on you.

 

[blueman335]

Re: do non musicians like "reliced" or just old guitars?

No such thing as a mediocre Pre-Cbs guitar. ..a CNC machine cannot duplicate that craftsmanship of old world Luthiers master crafting an instrument by hand.

And that's one of the problems with vintage guitars, the variation in specs and dimensions that comes from being handmade. There's not as much consistency, hence some will turn out 'better' than others. PAF's, the 'holy grail' of PU's, were extremely inconsistent in winds, resistence, magnets, etc. Some sound wonderful, some don't. You really need to get over this 'everything was better in the past' mentality. With that outlook, we all might as well give up and not do anything.

 

[blueman335]

Re: do non musicians like "reliced" or just old guitars?

Vintage cars go for much more if they are in good shape. From aging humbucker pickups and "closet" scratches to kool aid stains even "closet" which means faded spots and some scratches.

+1. The reason manufacturers LOVE relic'd guitars is that it eliminates most of their 2nd's. That's a huge savings for them. All those guitars that had to be offloaded cheap from color inconsistencies, blemishes, rust, and damage from mishanding in the warehouse, can now be sold at full price. Ingenious! They don't have to be nearly as careful in production, and they've significantly reduced the need for quality control. Screw up the color or finish, gouge a guitar? No problem, it'll go to the relic department to get beat up some more. And the chumps will pay extra for it!

Every manufacturer would love to be able to do this. Cars, TV's, furniture, etc. Instead of selling that stuff at a big discount, they can sell it retail and say: "Those scratches and dents are part of our patented relic process sir, and they'll cost you an extra $300." How many people want to buy a new car that looks like it's been in a demolition derby, or a couch with stains and tears that looks like it came from a garage sale? "See that yellow spot on the carpet? That's real urine. Yep, I paid a $100 for that option." Some guitar makers have taken advantage of people who want to pretend they have vintage instruments. The obsession with old guitars has gotten to the point that fake 'wear' from sandpaper and shop tools is considered desirable in order to live out the fantasy. Sad commentary on the virtual world we live in. Can you see an orchestral musician buying a new instrument that some $10/hour employee 'aged' with sandpaper and a screwdriver? Are guitarists not as intelligent?

 

[Securb]

Re: do non musicians like "reliced" or just old guitars?

No such thing as a mediocre Pre-Cbs guitar. Also, securb, a nice new guitar plays extremely well, and may sound great, but it can't hold a candle to a 'old world' I guess we can say at this point, vintage guitar

Would I like to have a 50-60's Telecaster of course I would. But when I compare an old Tele to a new one there the newer guitar wins hands down. The 3 saddle bridge on the old Teles don't allow for individual string intonation. We all know how important intonation is to tone. Newer Teles have staggered height locking tuners and resistance free LSR nuts. All adding to the tone and tuning stability of the guitar. I am sure if you could put a 2013 Telecaster in a time machine and put it the hands of Roy Buchanan he would be blown away.

 

[MisterE]

Re: do non musicians like "reliced" or just old guitars?

If any of my family or friends saw me play a beat up POS here is what they would really think of how my guitar would come to be in that condition.

A word of warning though it contains harsh language and guitar violence, it's not for the faint hearted. Mods feel free to delete if the content is not allowed. It's a must see for beginners though.

 

[IMENATOR]

Re: do non musicians like "reliced" or just old guitars?

The only "worn like" look for a guitar that I really like is a beat up sunburst 60's strat. Other than I would not put any money on buying a new guitar that is all beat up just because I want it to look like real vintage. You should get the best new instrument you can then play and make a lot of music with it, after 30 years you will have your own real vintage instrument with your own history as part of it

 

[Evan Skopp]

Re: do non musicians like "reliced" or just old guitars?

As reported in another thread, a men's casual clothing company used some of my guitars in their current catalog. If you look at their imagery, it's filled with old guitars and other vintage-looking gear. They don't care if the gear is old or distressed, they're just going for a look to help create a vibe that's going to sell expensive men's clothes.

 

[blueman335]

Re: do non musicians like "reliced" or just old guitars?

a men's casual clothing company used some of my guitars in their current catalog. If you look at their imagery, it's filled with old guitars and other vintage-looking gear. They don't care if the gear is old or distressed, they're just going for a look to help create a vibe that's going to sell expensive men's clothes.

Ah yes, but the clothes they're selling aren't old and distressed! The guitars are props for a photo shoot. They're going for a certain vibe in the ad, which is great, but they're not trying to sell new clothes with stains and tears in them. That's the analogy I was trying to make.

 

[Rockstar216]

Re: do non musicians like "reliced" or just old guitars?

Ah yes, but the clothes they're selling aren't old and distressed! The guitars are props for a photo shoot. They're going for a certain vibe in the ad, which is great, but they're not trying to sell new clothes with stains and tears in them. That's the analogy I was trying to make.

Actually Blueman companies do sell distressed and worn looking clothing particularly shoes and jeans.

http://www.shopbop.com/clothes-denim-distressed-jeans/br/v=1/2534374302101673.htm?all
http://www.ebay.com/itm/DESIGNER-Gr...l-Knee-High-Boots-Shoes-Size-10-/380705152203

 

[blueman335]

Re: do non musicians like "reliced" or just old guitars?

Actually Blueman companies do sell distressed and worn looking clothing particularly shoes and jeans.

What kind of person pays $600 for a pair of 'Shredded Boyfriend Jeans?' Would you want your wife/girlfriend buying a pair, or wanting you to buy her a pair?

 

[Johnny the Kid]

Re: do non musicians like "reliced" or just old guitars?

c'mon Johnny guitar. Catch your breath like Crusher said.. loosen up, warm up ,and get back into it son! Step it up babe. You have a legacy to fulfill, and frankly, were counting on you.

I'm working on it. I didn't go to class today, so maybe a day is what I needed. I'm gonna go hang out with my fraternity in a bit and watch Monday Night Football, so I should be okay by tomorrow. I just need to relax is all. I've had a million papers due this last week, so I've been super stressed.

 

[Lucy Diamond]

Re: do non musicians like "reliced" or just old guitars?

I haven't been a ordinary civilian since 1988 so I would have no idea.

It is my understanding that 85-90% of relic'd sales go to non-musicians. It has been a long time since I've talked to that particular industry buddy but around 2010, the story was that they (Fender/Jackson) see the most movement from doctors and lawyers who are decorating their offices "with an edge" :sad:

My thing with relic'd axes is....if it looks beat to $h!t on day one...what is it going to look like 20 years from now?

 

[Evan Skopp]

Re: do non musicians like "reliced" or just old guitars?

Ah yes, but the clothes they're selling aren't old and distressed! The guitars are props for a photo shoot. They're going for a certain vibe in the ad, which is great, but they're not trying to sell new clothes with stains and tears in them. That's the analogy I was trying to make.

Actually, a lot of their clothes are lightly distressed.

 

[BloodRose]

Re: do non musicians like "reliced" or just old guitars?

I totally dislike relics. first, Im vey picky about my gear and like it to look as new as possible, so I totally dont understand relicing. If I buy a guitar that happens to be well played. Otherwise, I dont understand wanting a guitar that already looks beat up




































































































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[Nacho8807]

Re: do non musicians like "reliced" or just old guitars?

All of my non-musician friends and family probably wouldn't notice, and if they did, they would ask what happened to it.

That said, I love the look of a guitar that's a little rough around the edges. A guitar that shows its age tells me that it was well played throughout its lifetime, and usually an intstrument only gets played that often if it sounds and feels good enough to warrant it.

But I have no interest in buying a new "old" guitar. I'd much rather make my own marks, or buy a guitar that's actually seen a thousand gigs and practices over 30 years. That's good mojo.

 

[Little Pigbacon]

Re: do non musicians like "reliced" or just old guitars?

To know your audience, you have to get outside of your bubble.

Or you could just lobotomize yourself.

 

[ParameterMan]

Re: do non musicians like "reliced" or just old guitars?

Ok, this thread seems pretty far off track from the title by now, but my experience is that "regular" people do notice distinctive or very obvious features. Especially if the guitarist always uses that guitar and pretty much only that guitar.

So a guitar covered in nudie stickers, beer labels, bottle caps, reflective pinstriping, airbrush art, blacklight florescent neon, Rory/SRV style beat-to-hell relicing... yeah. Some tasteful wear marks, heck no. Maybe I should say just tasteful in general.

I keep meaning to put together a very non-tasteful but memorable gigging guitar that incorporates as many of the above as possible.

 

[blueman335]

Re: do non musicians like "reliced" or just old guitars?

Ok, this thread seems pretty far off track from the title by now.

That usually starts to happen by page 3 of a thread, if they it even make it that far.

 

[Myaccount876]

Re: do non musicians like "reliced" or just old guitars?

An old world luthier can't get the precision of a machine. I think that you've put too much faith into vintage instruments. In your eyes, the only great instruments are vintage ones. What about the Jackson Soloist? In my OPINION, it's one of the best guitars ever made. In your OPINION, it's a piece of ****. Second of all, you never offer any real reason why vintage instruments are better, only that they are and we should take your word for it. Well, I have yet to play a vintage instrument that I liked. I've played a few 64 Strats and a 61 SG and they were meh. They sounded good don't get me wrong, but they weren't the sound I look for in a guitar and that is something with a little more heft. My Hamer hollowbody that I got used missing half the paint on it's neck is better sounding, in my OPINION (I'm not sure I can stress that word enough).

That is what I call putting words into someone else's mouth.