Do you expect a guitar or bass to have a certain sound based on looks?

Inflames626

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I think the SD Facebook page asked some variety of this based upon finish and color, but I thought I'd ask it based on shape.

For me, it's very true. I associate 24 fret shred sticks like Dinkys and RGs and pointy brands like ESPs and BC Richs with a bright, articulate, cutting sound.

Whenever I see an LP copy, meanwhile, I think of a meatier, throatier, warmer tone.

Strats seem to have the most tonal variation in my mind. Looks need not describe sound, but I often associate warmer colors and natural finishes with vintage tone, while black sounds, well, metal.

Also, I know opinions are split on woods, especially fretboards, but I've always found maple to be a little brighter than rosewood.

Just wondering if anyone else has the same instincts.
 
Re: Do you expect a guitar or bass to have a certain sound based on looks?

No.
 
Re: Do you expect a guitar or bass to have a certain sound based on looks?

I expect the Wangcaster and the Hello Kitty Strat to sound a certain way, just looking at them. But for most guitars I do not have quite that kind of expectation.
 
Re: Do you expect a guitar or bass to have a certain sound based on looks?

More people do than will readily admit it...

Me? Nope. I've learned that looks don't account for anything when it comes to how a guitar will sound. Same goes with body shape (and wood type...gasp!) for the most part.
 
Re: Do you expect a guitar or bass to have a certain sound based on looks?

If it got any pointy bits i leave the room, I know i will not want to hear it's noise.

It's so bad that now i avoid all pointy instruments ... pointy drums, pointy pianos, pointy saxophones, pointy sackbuts, pointy piano-accordians .... all of them.
 
Re: Do you expect a guitar or bass to have a certain sound based on looks?

What about a pointy Stick?
 
Re: Do you expect a guitar or bass to have a certain sound based on looks?

Crusty used to have a thing about pointy sticks.
 
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I've heard pointy guitars with meh stock pups sound like crap or at best, meh. I've heard LP's of Epi quality with upgrades, or stock with name brands that kick butt. I've heard pointy guitars with after market pickups stand toe to toe with others that came stock with Duncans (Dime/59 set). In the end, it's all in the hands.
 
Re: Do you expect a guitar or bass to have a certain sound based on looks?

I think the SD Facebook page asked some variety of this based upon finish and color, but I thought I'd ask it based on shape.

For me, it's very true. I associate 24 fret shred sticks like Dinkys and RGs and pointy brands like ESPs and BC Richs with a bright, articulate, cutting sound.

Whenever I see an LP copy, meanwhile, I think of a meatier, throatier, warmer tone.

Strats seem to have the most tonal variation in my mind. Looks need not describe sound, but I often associate warmer colors and natural finishes with vintage tone, while black sounds, well, metal.

It's not just your imagination or your preconceptions, the body shape makes a subtle difference that, like a lot of other subtle difference, is hard to hear just by strumming a few chords, even in a direct A/B setting, but becomes evident after spending a lot of time playing the guitar, up and down the neck, with various pick attacks. I've heard a lot of people who don't know any better say that the wood doesn't matter, or that the body shape doesn't matter, that you can stick a couple humbuckers in any piece of wood and have a Les Paul tone, and that leads people to believe that the difference between a Tele and a shred stick is just a matter of looks, but in fact the shape of the body does make a big difference, here's proof http://www.acs.psu.edu/drussell/guitars/coronet.html , you can see that the body flexes along different axis at different frequencies, so for example, you could play an "E", then cut off a chuck of your guitar, and the "E" might not sound any different, but then maybe the "A" will sound totally different because the piece you cut off doesn't matter so much when playing an "E", but was important to the vibration of the guitar when playing an "A". So all things being equal, playing two different electric guitar shapes will be similar in some ways and different in others, and it's almost impossible to predict what the differences will be until you've spent time with them.

I can think of a few reasons why shred sticks might associate more positively with high gain and not so much for clean tones. The most obvious reason is shred sticks usually have hotter pickups, but IMO, even a pickup swap doesn't greatly improve things. Other reasons; shredders usually like low action, when the action is low, the tone seems to suffer, presumably because the string is subtly crashing into the frets, not enough to sound like a sitar, but enough to dampen harmonics and overall amplitude. Shred sticks often have a Floyd Rose, which is never going to sound as natural as a hard tail. Finally, shred stick bodies are often smaller, lighter, thinner, etc. and IME the more you take away from the body, the more "dead spots" there are tone-wise, the more notes along the neck you fret and find don't quite produce the richness you expect from a whole Tele or a Les Paul. Those differences tend to be lessened under high gain, so the light weight, or radical looking guitar shape is then seen as a worthwhile trade off, where as it's seen as too great of a sacrifice if you intend to play clean or low gain.
 
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I think of certain types of guitars as having certain styles of tones. Maybe not necessarily good or bad, but Les Pauls generally have a certain sound. Teles do too. There's nothing bad with thinking that way. Teles are generally known for their twang. Les Pauls for their meatiness. It's the sounds that made them famous. Of course certain pickups or brands of guitars will have variations on the guitars and could sound much different than the originals but in general, certain guitars have "that" sound.
 
Re: Do you expect a guitar or bass to have a certain sound based on looks?

I used to have expectations along those lines, but I got over it.
 
Re: Do you expect a guitar or bass to have a certain sound based on looks?

I have no expectations. If it's well deported I'm happy. As long as people don't stare when we're out, I'm easy.
 
Re: Do you expect a guitar or bass to have a certain sound based on looks?

To an extent I do...I see a vintage Tele and I do not expect it to sound like Floyd Rose loaded Jackson...lol I have been pleasantly surprised by some Strats that have sounded beefier than a typical Strat sound I would expect.
 
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For me, different styles of guitars DO affect how I sound. My preconceptions change the way I "attack" a particular guitar, so the sound also changes (suffers?).

Two quick examples:

- when playing my RG, I just can't beat the living daylights of the strings the way I do in my strat. Just doesn't seem right, the RG seems to require a more refined touch;

- when soloing on my LP, I can't seem to NOT let the individual notes sustain. Totally different approach from soloing on the strat, which I naturally do in a more percussive style.

That's a shortcoming I wish I didn't have, it's kinda limiting. I like the way some artists dedicate their entire careers to one particular type of guitar, where the guitar is basically an extension of their bodies: Slash and his Les Pauls, SRV and his strats, Satriani and his JS guitars (Chickenfoot-era excluded), Paul Gilbert and his RGs (current infatuation with the Fireman excluded), Jimmy Page and his Les Pauls (first Zep album excluded), etc.

The RG is my most comfortable guitar, has the best neck in my collection and, with the current JB/Jazz/coil taps/3-way switch configuration, it covers a lot of sonic ground. If I wasn't set in my "this-guitar-is-the-right-one-for-this-style" ways, the RG would probably be the only guitar I'd ever need.

I LOVE to see guitars being used in the "wrong" style (a strat with single-coils for djent; an EMG-loaded, Floyd Rose-equipped Soloist for banging E9 funk chords through a Twin all night long; etc). I just can't do it.

Crazy much? lol
 
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Re: Do you expect a guitar or bass to have a certain sound based on looks?

For me it's usually that said guitars were associated with such a sound visually, usually through videos.

It's more mind over matter.

That said I've heard several people here and in person say they had X axe with Y sound but they didn't get a gig because looks didn't match expectation.

I also find it interesting that, even though I'm firmly in Jackson/ESP/BC Rich/Ibanez land, I prefer vintage looking basses. Again, natural finishes and vintage looks make me think of a warm, full tone, whereas pointy basses inspire a modern, active pickup bass tonality.
 
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