Does 2 recto cabs (2x12") and a dual recto amp (head unit) work?

[34029324079]

If a person has a dual rectifier head unit (100 watts)

and plugs a 2x12" into each channel (like a full stack but shrunken into a half stack) and just not turning up the volume a ton...

...would this work??


would it sound OK live (I understand that it is good to record with the 2x12" plugged into the mesa head unit...)

reason I am asking is because this setup could fit in my small car and I would be able to carry a backup head unit and have a backup cab all in a small car.

(I dont plan on doing this in the near future, but maybe in the far future)

...just wondering... :question:

 

[some_dude]

Re: Does 2 recto cabs (2x12") and a dual recto amp (head unit) work?

It'll work fine.

You'll probably find it fuller sounding, but not all that much louder per se.

 

[aleclee]

Re: Does 2 recto cabs (2x12") and a dual recto amp (head unit) work?

Work for what? Portability? Volume management? Better tone?

It sounds like you're talking about plugging in two identical cabs and running them individually depending on the channel selected. That'll "work" but it's a waste of a 2x12 IMO.

OTOH, it might be interesting to use an open-backed cab for clean tones and a closed-back cab for distorted ones.

 

[GuitarGuy503]

Re: Does 2 recto cabs (2x12") and a dual recto amp (head unit) work?

Im not sure a Dual Rectifier is necessary. At most gigs you normally mic regardless of where you are playin at anyways. A single is plenty in my opinion dude. A dual is way overkill. A few years ago i was playin my single rectifier through a mesa 2x12 and my dad said he could hear me a block away while he was walking the dog. I wasn't even a quarter of the way up on the master volume. If i were you I'd go to a music store and do some testing and compare the single to the dual rectifier. Youll be amazed at how loud the singles will get. :saeek:

 

[34029324079]

Re: Does 2 recto cabs (2x12") and a dual recto amp (head unit) work?

cool. people tell me the single is super duper loud (mind blowingly)

aleclee-thanks for the advice on clean sounds ...2 of my friends had a 2x12 amp with his band (other guitarist had a 1/2 stack in the band) could not hear anything...I am glad to know that it will work - I like the 12" sound, and half stack deal, but can't fit it in my car...good to know...


thanks for the advice all.

 

[StrykeBack]

Re: Does 2 recto cabs (2x12") and a dual recto amp (head unit) work?

Just researching different amp setups now but your saying just as I thought it sounded like: The single "rectifier" is only 50 watts compared to the 100 watt dual rect, and the only difference sound wise is the power wattage and the ability to run 2 cabinets right? Any other options that are different?

 

[strat_master]

Re: Does 2 recto cabs (2x12") and a dual recto amp (head unit) work?

the single recto head can only run one cabinet? i thought it could run two? Is this the same in the case of a 50 watt marshall like a dsl 50? sorry to hijack just wondering as well, i was also thining about using two 2x 12 cabs to make a traportable half stack.

 

[GuitarGuy503]

Re: Does 2 recto cabs (2x12") and a dual recto amp (head unit) work?

Just researching different amp setups now but your saying just as I thought it sounded like: The single "rectifier" is only 50 watts compared to the 100 watt dual rect, and the only difference sound wise is the power wattage and the ability to run 2 cabinets right? Any other options that are different?

the single recto head can only run one cabinet? i thought it could run two? Is this the same in the case of a 50 watt marshall like a dsl 50? sorry to hijack just wondering as well, i was also thining about using two 2x 12 cabs to make a traportable half stack.

WRONG! I own a Mesa Single Rectifier Halfstack. The single and the dual can run 2 cabs each, whether it be two 4x12s, two 2x12s, or two 1x12s. Your correct that the dual has more wattage than the single. Another difference is that the singles sound alot better at low volumes than the duals dther than wattage they have the same exact options.

 

[strat_master]

Re: Does 2 recto cabs (2x12") and a dual recto amp (head unit) work?

minus the xtra channel of course

 

[GuitarGuy503]

Re: Does 2 recto cabs (2x12") and a dual recto amp (head unit) work?

minus the xtra channel of course

Ya, your absolutely right. :smack: The dual has 3 channels and the single has 2. My bad. Thanks for correcting me.

 

[StrykeBack]

Re: Does 2 recto cabs (2x12") and a dual recto amp (head unit) work?

Is that extra channel the solo channel? So with either of them you get the clean and distortion or "high gain" channel and then the dual has the solo channel?

Also the reason that the single rect will sound better at lower volume then the dual is because you are going to push more out of the tubes with the single where as you'd have to have the volume or gain cranked twice as high to get the same sound from the dual. One of the tradeoffs, so yeah, if your not playing stadium your going to get a better sound out of the single rectifier in a smaller setting then you would a dual. Just a thought.

 

[34029324079]

Re: Does 2 recto cabs (2x12") and a dual recto amp (head unit) work?

heh, I like all the feedback on this thread (I have not checked this board...)

Well, I Need the dual recto (3 channel) because the effects loop is programmable to any of the 3 channels. It has all the bells and wistles...

it has a clean and 2 types of distortions...this is the amp tons of bands out there use, including tool and incubus...

Ill let yall know if I ever get hooked up with the gear - good luck with ya'lls rigs!

 

[StrykeBack]

Re: Does 2 recto cabs (2x12") and a dual recto amp (head unit) work?

ohh the effects loops different? damn. I thought I could get away with just the single and be fine but yeah, i noticed everyone uses teh dual rectifier...must be something good about it. Now if I could only get my hands on that and a Vox-ac30

 

[34029324079]

Re: Does 2 recto cabs (2x12") and a dual recto amp (head unit) work?

ohh the effects loops different? damn. I thought I could get away with just the single and be fine but yeah, i noticed everyone uses teh dual rectifier...must be something good about it. Now if I could only get my hands on that and a Vox-ac30

ya man, it is way cool!!!

you don't have to do the pedal dance: all you do is step on the effects button (have your effects "on" through the effects loop set on clean) and you can explore tons of effects with the press of one button. it is pretty sweet, not many amps in its price range have this feature. It is one of the 2 reasons I need this amp

 

[StrykeBack]

Re: Does 2 recto cabs (2x12") and a dual recto amp (head unit) work?

is that feature on the single as well or just the dual? What is a good used price to pay for the single or the dual?

 

[Gearjoneser]

Re: Does 2 recto cabs (2x12") and a dual recto amp (head unit) work?

Is that extra channel the solo channel? So with either of them you get the clean and distortion or "high gain" channel and then the dual has the solo channel?

Also the reason that the single rect will sound better at lower volume then the dual is because you are going to push more out of the tubes with the single where as you're going to have to have the volume or gain cranked twice as high to get the same sound from the dual. One of the tradeoffs, so yeah, if your not playing a stadium , is your're going to get a better sound out of the single rectifier in a smaller setting then you would a dual. Just a thought.

The misconception about 50 watters is that they sound smaller. That's not the case. My favorite is to install JJ E-34L's, and hear a 50w cranked up to actually hear the power tube growl of 3 power tubes.

 

[HolyDirt]

Re: Does 2 recto cabs (2x12") and a dual recto amp (head unit) work?

heh, I like all the feedback on this thread (I have not checked this board...)

Well, I Need the dual recto (3 channel) because the effects loop is programmable to any of the 3 channels. It has all the bells and wistles...

it has a clean and 2 types of distortions...this is the amp tons of bands out there use, including tool and incubus...

Ill let yall know if I ever get hooked up with the gear - good luck with ya'lls rigs!

I have a single rectifier with a loop pedal i made, i wired the pedal to change to a certain effects loop when i change channels. So, basically, my channel switching footpedal and loop pedal go together, being connected by an instrument cable, and when i'm on the clean channel the loop pedal selects one of the effects loops, then on the 2nd channel, it selects the 2nd loop... IMO the 2 channel rectifiers sound better.

 

[Guitarist]

Re: Does 2 recto cabs (2x12") and a dual recto amp (head unit) work?

More headroom on the Duals, but not too much louder (db). However, the Single cleans up pretty nicely and doesn't start breaking up 'till you get to EXTREMELY loud situations, in which I never find myself playing at. Even at gigs.

 

[SemperRhythm]

Re: Does 2 recto cabs (2x12") and a dual recto amp (head unit) work?

Can't say I've ever played the Dual, but my Single is PLENTY loud. I can easily hang with a loud drummer with the clean channel at volume 11:00 and master at 9-10:00. Stays clean too! Gain just gets better with volume.

Changing the power tubes made a HUGE difference with mine BTW. Changed to JJ 6L6... cleans are much more airy and less brittle compared to the Sovteks and the OD got a little tighter on the low end and more articulate. Just some off-topic info.

Nathan

 

[B2D]

Re: Does 2 recto cabs (2x12") and a dual recto amp (head unit) work?

I have a single rec... and at 4 it makes the windows in my room rattle. It's a LOUD amp. I've ordered a Hotplate to tame it down a little.

As long as the wattage handling and ohmage are correct, the dual 2x12 cab idea should work just fine. I actually like that idea as you could spread the sound out over a wider area. My teacher does this with a Fender Showman head and 2 2x12 Boogie cabs on opposite sides of the stage and has NO trouble being heard....

Like this:
head [--]
cab 2 [OO]- - - - - (cable)- - - - - - - - [OO] cab 1
stage left------------------------------------------stage right

Geddit?