Does anyone make a HB with mismatched coils....

[gimmieinfo]

....but NOT like a duncan hybrid where they are wound with different gauges. In other words, both coils are would with the same wire but one is wound lower. Or is that even design that could work? I realize it'll be noisier. I'm asking because i have been thinking of taking one of my dimarzio super D's and unwinding the screw coil from 7k down to 4 or 5k to lower the pickup's output while leaving the slug coil the same so it splits as well as it does now. I love super D's but i'd like less output without affecting the split sound and maybe the pickup would generate some interesting tones like the 59/hybrid does. I just don't know if this is a design that would be faulty given the same gauge on both but i thought i'd ask if there are any winders making something like that so i'd know it could be worth a shot.

 

[Teleplayer]

Re: Does anyone make a HB with mismatched coils....

Do you have any experience with a Tone Zone? Good or bad?

 

[idsnowdog]

Re: Does anyone make a HB with mismatched coils....

Dimarzio has a patent for dual-resonance pickups where each coil has a different number of winds with the same wire.

 

[AlexR]

Re: Does anyone make a HB with mismatched coils....

^ I thought it was the same turns with different wire.

Because it would make no sense getting a patent for something not invented by you.

 

[gimmieinfo]

Re: Does anyone make a HB with mismatched coils....

Dimarzio has a patent for dual-resonance pickups where each coil has a different number of winds with the same wire.

Ahhh, nice. So can anyone think of a reason not to try what i suggested. Or what it might be that they do along with that which could make it work well and keep mine form working well w/o it?

 

[Teleplayer]

Re: Does anyone make a HB with mismatched coils....

Various companies have put a lot of R&D into their designs, so I doubt you will get the desired outcome by making random irreversible changes to your SD.

You would be better to sell it on ebay and buy some other pickup that suits you.

 

[gimmieinfo]

Re: Does anyone make a HB with mismatched coils....

Various companies have put a lot of R&D into their designs, so I doubt you will get the desired outcome by making random irreversible changes to your SD.

You would be better to sell it on ebay and buy some other pickup that suits you.

Can't sell them for several reasons.

 

[AlexR]

Re: Does anyone make a HB with mismatched coils....

Its something you can try yourself of course. But don't hope for any great outcome. Rather, use it as an experiment and if you come out with something good, then count that as a win.

You might look to doing it gradually........maybe a few 100 turns at a time and try the result.

 

[gregory]

Re: Does anyone make a HB with mismatched coils....

I would recommend pulling ~600 ohms from one coil of an SH-10B and replacing one row of hexes with long fillisters.

...or make a Perpetual Burn/Custom Hybrid. Use a rough, oriented A5.

 

[Discharged]

Re: Does anyone make a HB with mismatched coils....

....but NOT like a duncan hybrid where they are wound with different gauges. In other words, both coils are would with the same wire but one is wound lower. Or is that even design that could work? I realize it'll be noisier. I'm asking because i have been thinking of taking one of my dimarzio super D's and unwinding the screw coil from 7k down to 4 or 5k to lower the pickup's output while leaving the slug coil the same so it splits as well as it does now. I love super D's but i'd like less output without affecting the split sound and maybe the pickup would generate some interesting tones like the 59/hybrid does. I just don't know if this is a design that would be faulty given the same gauge on both but i thought i'd ask if there are any winders making something like that so i'd know it could be worth a shot.

As every question has a motivation, I'd like to ask you this: what do you think you'll be getting by doing that, exactly?

/Peter

 

[freefrog]

Re: Does anyone make a HB with mismatched coils....

....but NOT like a duncan hybrid where they are wound with different gauges. In other words, both coils are would with the same wire but one is wound lower. Or is that even design that could work? I realize it'll be noisier.

https://www.fralinpickups.com/product/unbucker/

http://www.zhangbucker.com/original-slugbucker.html

And so on...

 

[hamerfan]

Re: Does anyone make a HB with mismatched coils....

What Freefrog said. I wound down some DiMarzio PAFs on one coil. I becomes clearer and brighter just by having less wire on one coil. No effects on the noise level IMO, but i did not test it onstage with lights and so on.

 

[gimmieinfo]

Re: Does anyone make a HB with mismatched coils....

As every question has a motivation, I'd like to ask you this: what do you think you'll be getting by doing that, exactly?

/Peter

Read my initial post.

What Freefrog said. I wound down some DiMarzio PAFs on one coil. I becomes clearer and brighter just by having less wire on one coil. No effects on the noise level IMO, but i did not test it onstage with lights and so on.

How much did you wind it down?

 

[Discharged]

Re: Does anyone make a HB with mismatched coils....

Read my initial post

Can't make head or tails. Care to explain it a bit better?

For the record: I repair, mod and wind/re-wind p'ups, tailoring'em to the owner's instrument, a moonlightning enterprise for over fifteen years.

/Peter

 

[gimmieinfo]

Re: Does anyone make a HB with mismatched coils....

Can't make head or tails. Care to explain it a bit better?

For the record: I repair, mod and wind/re-wind p'ups, tailoring'em to the owner's instrument, a moonlightning enterprise for over fifteen years.

/Peter

Less output. I like them a lot but I just was a bit brighter sound as i ride the volume lower. On 10 i like them as is tho i'd be fine with a brighter lower output even there. But i'm mainly concerned with how it sounds when i clean up. Not looking for CLEAN clean obviously but just a little brighter and cleaner on 4-5 where now theres too much mids and very little top end even with a treble bleed. And i understand TB's fully and know how to get the best from them for a given guitar/pickup. But this is a high output pickup and it just retains too much mids and not enough highs when rolled down. The reason for mismatched rather then just unwinding both coils is i don't want to lose the single coil tome i get when split with the slug coil active or the bridge middle tone which is really great with autosplit.

 

[esandes]

Re: Does anyone make a HB with mismatched coils....

Brobucker and most if not all Gibson HBs

 

[Discharged]

Re: Does anyone make a HB with mismatched coils....

Less output. I like them a lot

I still don't understand what you mean with "them"...

/Peter

 

[Joey Voltage]

Re: Does anyone make a HB with mismatched coils....

^ I thought it was the same turns with different wire.

Because it would make no sense getting a patent for something not invented by you.

Yes the dual resonance patent is for different gauges with roughly the same turns, although dimarzio sometimes uses the same gauge like it does in the tone zone.

The dimarzio paf model also does this, but they don’t stick the 4501 patent on it.

 

[Joey Voltage]

Re: Does anyone make a HB with mismatched coils....

If you mismatch the two coils drastically using the same wire gauge your CMRR will start to suffer, and it will no longer maximize the hum bucking efffect. It one of the reasons this is mostly done using two different gauges.

 

[gimmieinfo]

Re: Does anyone make a HB with mismatched coils....

If you mismatch the two coils drastically using the same wire gauge your CMRR will start to suffer, and it will no longer maximize the hum bucking efffect. It one of the reasons this is mostly done using two different gauges.

Thats ok with me as long as i like the tone, assuming you are talking only about noise. I don't know what u mean by CMRR.