Does wood make a difference?

[greekdude]

Re: Does wood make a difference?

But what does stiffer and stronger do to the sound?

Sustain. Wood normally tends to resonate (=steal energy from the strings). When the period of the wood vibration is a divisor of the period of the string vibration, then the effect will be more extreme than simply coloring the sound: the wood will give the string vibration an early death.

Many people make the assertion that a guitar that is more resonant and vibrates more sounds better. But i dont always believe this to be true. Particularly with high gain. Those small resonances that some people love become white noise and sound odd and muddy up a good high gain tone. In this case a guitar that is less lively sounding acoustically is better when played with high gain at high volume.

Basically you describe ppl's experiences that confirm the above theory. An absolutely stiff material would give natural sustain, but would not color the sound.

 

[Edgecrusher]

Re: Does wood make a difference?

When the period of the wood vibration is a divisor of the period of the string vibration, then the effect will be more extreme than simply coloring the sound:the wood will give the string an early death.

A divisor? string death? I think google translate is lying to you or something cause that makes no sense in english.

BTW lucite is stiffer than wood and every lucite guitar ive ever played neither sustained good nor had great tone... So im not completely buying it. There is more to it than just stiffer is more sustain.

 

[greekdude]

Re: Does wood make a difference?

A divisor? string death? I think google translate is lying to you or something cause that makes no sense in english.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divisor
Wood vibration (or any vibration) is a periodical phenomenon. So it has a frequency and a period. By "string death" I meant "string's vibration death", my bad. Go grab a book on math or physics, that will definitely help.

 

[Edgecrusher]

Re: Does wood make a difference?

Dude put a sock in it everyone was getting along until you came in talking over your head. If you don't understand it enough to explain it simply you don't understand it.

 

[greekdude]

Re: Does wood make a difference?

^^^ I have explained those in the other thread about Ibanez's sustain. But you were busy *****ing 99.99% of the time, and actually try to say smth 0.01%.

 

[treyhaislip]

Re: Does wood make a difference?

^^^ unless it is proven with a waveform it is hard to convince. How did you measure sustain and on which frets? One should measure sustain for all 7x24 fretted notes, first plain normal and then bended one tone. That would be 336 measurements. Then do the same for the new trem block, or for any other parameter that he changes. All under same exact setup, same picking technique, same pick force, same fretting, same amp settings, guitar distance from amp, trying to maintain same conditions, even moisture, temperature, even time of day, since there would be EMI around at certain times in a day.

I am not trying to convince you–the improved sustain could be heard through my Boss GT with headphones on, its my life and my gear.

And if it takes over 300 measurements to convince you then I would say you are not listening with your ears; rather, with your eyes. If you have to see that many measurements for something as simple as a $40 upgrade from eBay (where I got my Big Brass Block) then I can't imagine the number of measurements required for a purchase of something such as a car or home repair/upgrade.

 

[Edgecrusher]

Re: Does wood make a difference?

^^^ I have explained those in the other thread about Ibanez's sustain. But you were busy *****ing 99.99% of the time, and actually try to say smth 0.01%.

So you feel that its ok to come and take a dump on Fantoms thread cause you are still butthurt?

BTW you didnt really explain it you are linking wikipedia cause you really dont it and how it applies to the current discussion. If you really understood it you wouldnt have "string death" in your explanation.

The way you wrote it means the string was alive then ceased living. (I was giving you the benefit of the doubt with the google translate crack. I truly thought the translator let you down) Not that the string ceased vibrating. There is a critical difference here. Nor did you even vaugely adequately explain that vibrations can "cancel" each other out.

 

[Funkfingers]

Re: Does wood make a difference?

I devised a test awhile back you may find interesting. I play my guitars and listen to the sound that comes out of the speakers. I repeat this for various amounts of time,and at various volumes. Typically, the amount of time and the volume level are directly proportional to how happy the sound from the amplifier makes me. If I play really loud for a long time, I classify this sound as "good."

Sorry, bro, but your "test" is subjective and anecdotal. It is not demonstrable, repeatable, open to challenge or subject to peer review. It is, therefore, invalid.

On a positive note, I thank you for acknowledging my earlier post rather than ignoring awkward/inconvenient questions.

 

[treyhaislip]

Re: Does wood make a difference?

What does making a generalization have to do with trusting one's ears? If you have such apparently little respect for people who criticize sounds with their ears, music really is an odd choice of hobby.

Amen to this! I find it odd that for music someone would take issue with "trust[ing] their ears"...like that's the whole point of music is to listen to it... :smack:

 

[greekdude]

Re: Does wood make a difference?

So you feel that its ok to come and take a dump on Fantoms thread cause you are still butthurt?

The fact that you care more for *****ing and less for searching the truth is your problem not mine. Work on it.

BTW you didnt really explain it you are linking wikipedia cause you really dont it and how it applies to the current discussion. If you really understood it you wouldnt have "string death" in your explanation.

I linked to wikipedia cause you complained you don't understand the word "divisor". I corrected the "string death"->"string vibration death" BTW, in case you plan to use it as an argument in your next 1000 posts, so don't, it will sound ultra pathetic.

The way you wrote it means the string was alive then ceased living. (I was giving you the benefit of the doubt with the google translate crack. I truly thought the translator let you down) Not that the string ceased vibrating. There is a critical difference here. Nor did you even vaugely adequately explain that vibrations can "cancel" each other out.

^^^ Go get those books. And while you are in the book store go get a book on good manners as well.

 

[greekdude]

Re: Does wood make a difference?

I am not trying to convince you–the improved sustain could be heard through my Boss GT with headphones on, its my life and my gear.

And if it takes over 300 measurements to convince you then I would say you are not listening with your ears; rather, with your eyes. If you have to see that many measurements for something as simple as a $40 upgrade from eBay (where I got my Big Brass Block) then I can't imagine the number of measurements required for a purchase of something such as a car or home repair/upgrade.

whatever bro

 

[treyhaislip]

Re: Does wood make a difference?

The fact that you care more for *****ing and less for searching the truth is your problem not mine. Work on it.


Cannot explain anything to people with limited intelligence. I corrected the "string death" BTW, in case you plan to use it as an argument in your next 1000 posts.

No need to treat a forum bro in this manner

^^^ Go get those books. And while you are in the book store go get a book on good manners as well. All this will be helpful to you.

You totally ignored this with the prior two statements...

 

[greekdude]

Re: Does wood make a difference?

No need to treat a forum bro in this manner



You totally ignored this with the prior two statements...

thats why the edit button is for, bro.

btw if anyone cares about the forum, edgecrusher should get the boot long time ago.

 

[Edgecrusher]

Re: Does wood make a difference?

And while you are in the book store go get a book on good manners as well. All this will be helpful to you. When you learn the basics, get back to me for a proper talk. Till then you'll get ignored.

You came here to slag me... Then you complain about my manners when I defend my position against your butthurt? Thats rich dude.

All this and you still dont understand the concept you were trying to show me up with... Why come here just to make yourself look like this? What purpose did it serve to start a mud slinging match?

 

[Edgecrusher]

Re: Does wood make a difference?

Show me on the doll where the bad internet touched you.

 

[treyhaislip]

Re: Does wood make a difference?

thats why the edit button is for, bro.

So the edit button is to be disrespectful and then clean it up?

btw if anyone cares about the forum, edgecrusher should get the boot long time ago.

Well maybe we should all review the rules of the forum

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[DreX]

Re: Does wood make a difference?

In the tradition of this forum, I request pics, please.

I'll provide pictures of the test setup at the same time that I share any results.

This borders on bad science. Good practice would be to perform a consistently repeatable test.

I haven't said anything that should cause you to conclude that I'm doing otherwise.

 

[DreX]

Re: Does wood make a difference?

Somehow certain bits of wood make great guitars, others make 'meh' guitars, and others yet are absolutely dead no matter what. Just looking at the wood, weighing it, testing its 'grain' doesn't explain why some are good and others aren't. Given there is a variability with wood, by putting more different bits you increase the chances that you might have a poor bit in there - no questions asked.

OH I HAVE QUESTIONS. We don't know exactly know how the difference pieces of wood will relate to each other. Sure you might have a "bad" piece of wood, whatever we define "bad" as meaning, but suppose you have six piece body, it's only, say, 1/6th "bad" wood, so is the sound 1/6th "bad" in turn, or does that bad section of wood inflict it's "bad" characteristics on it's "good" wood neighbors by virtue of association and proximity? Or maybe it's the reverse, maybe the presence of good wood negates the contribution of the bad wood. If you have a two piece body, and one of those two halves are "bad", that 50% "bad" wood, and assuming they're book matched, possibly 100% bad wood. Couldn't the laminate body then be seen as "hedging one's bets"? What if each smaller piece of wood imparts it's own character, might a body made of many woods be said to have a lot of "character"?

 

[JB_From_Hell]

Re: Does wood make a difference?

This is all far more efficient than playing a bunch of guitars and buying the one that sounds good.

 

[Funkfingers]

Re: Does wood make a difference?

I'll provide pictures of the test setup at the same time that I share any results.

Let's see whether I am still around to view those.
:banned:

I haven't said anything that should cause you to conclude that I'm doing otherwise.

The phrase, "comprehensible results" implies partial pre-supposition as to what the test results OUGHT to be. Much of what can be measured during tests may eventually prove to be totally irrelevant. It is still good practice to gather that data.

Proving what, if anything, does not make any difference is as useful as proving what does.