Does wood make a difference?

[DreX]

Re: Does wood make a difference?

I guess "all about the techinical side of things, not at all about the playing" was posted by someone other than DreX, your account must've been hacked! :duck: lol

Yes, Leo Fender never learned to play guitar but you said he was all about the technical side and not the playing side–your words not mine. He was constantly improving his amps and guitars to accommodate the player's needs (such as tummy cuts on bodies so that they did not stick into one's side when playing)

Hahahaha! :lmao: Harassing you?! :bsflag: I speak for many who would say you of all members should not be crying about harassment... If you read where I am coming from I am saying music is meant to be heard so trust your ears (and hands for how well a guitar plays), not technicalities.



Who brought up mechanics? T'wasn't me



Wow...so trucks were never meant to race? Cars were not meant to race either when first invented. Trucks never will be raced? NASCAR would be so disappointed in that statement (*misstatement.) Many people sup up their trucks for racing...like a lots even in my small hometown in Texas. lol :burnout:

Unnecessarily tune up? Some would say getting your guitar setup more than twice a year is unnecessary but that doesn't mean they enjoy the setup for the sake of the setup. I don't know these people of yours who tune their vehicle unnecessarily, but I highly doubt that they do it without driving the vehicle in mind...you don't get a car a tuneup to sit pretty in a garage and never drive it. Classic cars that sit need an oil change and tune up before they are driven...because they are going to be driven.

Fact; Leo Fender never played guitar for pleasure despite dedicating the later half of his life to electric guitar. Fact; racing trucks is an exercise in misapplication, they are designed to move large quantities of stuff, in contrast to a sports car, which holds very little stuff, puts more weight over the rear wheels, has a lower center of gravity, etc.

The only reason you could want to make the case that technicality for technicality sake is an invalid pursuit or use of one's time is to harass people who have interest in and derive enjoyment from such things. Why would you want to do that? Why not simply accept that some people take interest in things like how powerful the new Porsche is, even though they will never afford to buy, or even drive, the car in question?

 

[Snake Aces]

Re: Does wood make a difference?

Fact; Leo Fender never played guitar for pleasure despite dedicating the later half of his life to electric guitar. Fact; racing trucks is an exercise in misapplication, they are designed to move large quantities of stuff, in contrast to a sports car, which holds very little stuff, puts more weight over the rear wheels, has a lower center of gravity, etc.

The only reason you could want to make the case that technicality for technicality sake is an invalid pursuit or use of one's time is to harass people who have interest in and derive enjoyment from such things. Why would you want to do that? Why not simply accept that some people take interest in things like how powerful the new Porsche is, even though they will never afford to buy, or even drive, the car in question?

This guy obviously doesn't know much about cars, trucks or sports cars in general. Instead of just saying something like, "oh, that was a bad example, you're right" he continues to apply his misjudged understanding to his side of the argument with the word "fact" before it. Give it a rest, we are talking about cars on a guitar forum in a "do woods matter" thread.

Derailed? Yup. Time to close thread.

 

[treyhaislip]

Re: Does wood make a difference?

Fact; Leo Fender never played guitar for pleasure despite dedicating the later half of his life to electric guitar. Fact; racing trucks is an exercise in misapplication, they are designed to move large quantities of stuff, in contrast to a sports car, which holds very little stuff, puts more weight over the rear wheels, has a lower center of gravity, etc.

The only reason you could want to make the case that technicality for technicality sake is an invalid pursuit or use of one's time is to harass people who have interest in and derive enjoyment from such things. Why would you want to do that? Why not simply accept that some people take interest in things like how powerful the new Porsche is, even though they will never afford to buy, or even drive, the car in question?

A. When did I say Leo Fender played for pleasure? (You still have not proved your statement of Leo Fender being "all about the [technical] side of things, not at all about the playing")

B. I'm no engineer but I am pretty dog gone sure this vehicle was not meant to move large quantities of stuff

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C. Again, I'm no engineer but something tells me a sport car was not the original intent of the designer of the first US car

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D. Being a Sports Car does not make it a Race Car. A NASCAR or similar series race car is not street legal here in the states.

E. Do some history on this and similar threads–not all of us who say "trust your ears" have total disregard for technicalities. Rather, we say go with what sounds right.

F. How are we harassing you?

G. Seriously? lol Why don't you simply accept things such as some people hear and feel differences in MIA guitars than those made elsewhere? Why don't you accept that some people say trust your ears....because that's the point of making music.

H. If you are so offended/hurt and feel harassed by my calling you out on misstatements then you really should not visit the internet...like ever.



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I. Yup, time to close this thread :kabong:

 

[Snake Aces]

Re: Does wood make a difference?

I love the NASCAR truck series.

 

[DreX]

Re: Does wood make a difference?

A. When did I say Leo Fender played for pleasure? (You still have not proved your statement of Leo Fender being "all about the [technical] side of things, not at all about the playing")

B. I'm no engineer but I am pretty dog gone sure this vehicle was not meant to move large quantities of stuff

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C. Again, I'm no engineer but something tells me a sport car was not the original intent of the designer of the first US car

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D. Being a Sports Car does not make it a Race Car. A NASCAR or similar series race car is not street legal here in the states.

E. Do some history on this and similar threads–not all of us who say "trust your ears" have total disregard for technicalities. Rather, we say go with what sounds right.

F. How are we harassing you?

G. Seriously? lol Why don't you simply accept things such as some people hear and feel differences in MIA guitars than those made elsewhere? Why don't you accept that some people say trust your ears....because that's the point of making music.

H. If you are so offended/hurt and feel harassed by my calling you out on misstatements then you really should not visit the internet...like ever.



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I. Yup, time to close this thread :kabong:

Don't run away from the question. Why do you take issue with people who enjoy technical fine points for it's own sake?

 

[Snake Aces]

Re: Does wood make a difference?

Don't run away from the question. Why do you take issue with people who enjoy technical fine points for it's own sake?

I think you are the one running away from most of the questions here.

 

[treyhaislip]

Re: Does wood make a difference?

Don't run away from the question. Why do you take issue with people who enjoy technical fine points for it's own sake?

When did I take issue with people of such a nature?

I took issue with misstatements such as saying Leo Fender only cared about the technical side of things, not the playing side at all.

And you never answered the question I asked you...another case of hypocrisy (except that I answered your questions to me)

I think you are the one running away from most of the questions here.

Nailed it.





Time to close the thread :flush:

 

[dir-en-grey44]

Re: Does wood make a difference?

The quality of the guitar plays a huge factor. I've had several guitars that played like ass cause of the way it was built and no matter what pickup,hardware went into it always sounded like ****. The really good guitars I've had play like a dream and sound very good compared to them.


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[DreX]

Re: Does wood make a difference?

I think you are the one running away from most of the questions here.

I made the statement that these threads always have a few people who say "who cares, just play the dang thing" or "if the guitar sounds good, that's all that matters", and I am asking why people who don't care about technical details a) participate in threads on this topic, or b) disparage those who are interested in the topic. Those are the only relevant questions. It might not strictly be about "tone woods", but it's certainly more on topic than debating whether trucks are meant for racing, which they're not.

 

[Snake Aces]

Re: Does wood make a difference?

I made the statement that these threads always have a few people who say "who cares, just play the dang thing" or "if the guitar sounds good, that's all that matters", and I am asking why people who don't care about technical details a) participate in threads on this topic, or b) disparage those who are interested in the topic. Those are the only relevant questions. It might not strictly be about "tone woods", but it's certainly more on topic than debating whether trucks are meant for racing, which they're not.

You know what else is not meant for racing? Honda Civics. Yet you have millions of kids modding their puny Honda Civics trying to turn them into race cars. People do what they are going to do. Just because something is not "meant" to do something does not mean that it is not capable of doing that thing with modifications.

Back on topic: That being said about mods, why does it matter if people only care about what something sounds like to them? Why does it matter if somebody only cares about the technical? Why does it matter if someone cares slightly about both factors a little bit? At the end of the day we all just play the damn things anyway.

 

[treyhaislip]

Re: Does wood make a difference?

I made the statement that these threads always have a few people who say "who cares, just play the dang thing" or "if the guitar sounds good, that's all that matters", and I am asking why people who don't care about technical details a) participate in threads on this topic, or b) disparage those who are interested in the topic. Those are the only relevant questions. It might not strictly be about "tone woods", but it's certainly more on topic than debating whether trucks are meant for racing, which they're not.

You are such a hypocrite man, like a super blind one. Lol

Who made you the god of determining whose comments are relevant or not? This is a forum, all members should be allowed to comment without you or anyone else deterring them.

Again, you were the one to bring up vehicles.

Again, I am not taking issue with your stance on technicalities; rather, you misstatements about Leo Fender and bad examples such as cars and trucks.

 

[DreX]

Re: Does wood make a difference?

You know what else is not meant for racing? Honda Civics. Yet you have millions of kids modding their puny Honda Civics trying to turn them into race cars. People do what they are going to do. Just because something is not "meant" to do something does not mean that it is not capable of doing that thing with modifications.

I never actually said things can't be misapplied, that was your own misunderstanding, I said it was a misapplication, which remains 100% true.

Back on topic: That being said about mods, why does it matter if people only care about what something sounds like to them? Why does it matter if somebody only cares about the technical? Why does it matter if someone cares slightly about both factors a little bit? At the end of the day we all just play the damn things anyway.

Because in such cases, they have nothing to contribute to a thread such as this. The question is, plainly, "does the wood effect the amplified tone?", and responses such as "why do you care so long as it sounds good?" are not answers to the question, and yet they are ubiquitous replies in all manner of guitar forum threads that ask technical questions in search of technical answers.

 

[DreX]

Re: Does wood make a difference?

You are such a hypocrite man, like a super blind one. Lol

Who made you the god of determining whose comments are relevant or not? This is a forum, all members should be allowed to comment without you or anyone else deterring them.

Again, you were the one to bring up vehicles.

Again, I am not taking issue with your stance on technicalities; rather, you misstatements about Leo Fender and bad examples such as cars and trucks.

Your misunderstanding of an analogy does not make me a hypocrite. The point of racing trucks is doing something for the sake of doing it, even though they were not originally intended for that purpose. The point of obsessing over guitar wood or pickups is largely for it's own sake. Even though guitars were originally meant to be played, and the guitar in question might be perfectly playable, there is still a valid activity in analyzing why it is the way it is at a precise and objective level.

 

[Snake Aces]

Re: Does wood make a difference?

Because in such cases, they have nothing to contribute to a thread such as this. The question is, plainly, "does the wood effect the amplified tone?", and responses such as "why do you care so long as it sounds good?" are not answers to the question, and yet they are ubiquitous replies in all manner of guitar forum threads that ask technical questions in search of technical answers.

Ok, but this is an internet forum, not a scientific convention. When a question gets asked like "does wood make a difference?" it's only natural that every single member of the forum wants to add their thoughts or opinions on the matter. It's not up to us to decide whose answers are relevant or useful to the conversation. We are just opinions behind our keyboards. Once you do your test and post some results, you will have some data to make you more than just an opinion, but even when you do post that thread you will still get responses like "who cares as long as it sounds good to me". That's just the nature of the internet and the expected responses from a forum.

 

[dominus]

Re: Does wood make a difference?

I'll just say this - your experiment is going to be a waste of time. It will tell you exactly what *those* pieces of wood sound like.

There are still going to be anomalies that can sound better or worse. Hence the term "generally" when used to describe tone woods.

 

[treyhaislip]

Re: Does wood make a difference?

Your misunderstanding of an analogy does not make me a hypocrite. The point of racing trucks is doing something for the sake of doing it, even though they were not originally intended for that purpose. The point of obsessing over guitar wood or pickups is largely for it's own sake. Even though guitars were originally meant to be played, and the guitar in question might be perfectly playable, there is still a valid activity in analyzing why it is the way it is at a precise and objective level.

Your hypocrisy is crying harassment here when you do the same thing to others.

I didn't misunderstand--your analogy is flat wrong.

Again, I have no problem with technically approaching the subject. When you make misstatement I corrected them. If you don't like that then why be apart of a forum?

Cars were not originally designed for racing. Both cars and trucks were originally intended for transportation, not racing.

 

[DreX]

Re: Does wood make a difference?

Ok, but this is an internet forum, not a scientific convention. When a question gets asked like "does wood make a difference?" it's only natural that every single member of the forum wants to add their thoughts or opinions on the matter. It's not up to us to decide whose answers are relevant or useful to the conversation. We are just opinions behind our keyboards. Once you do your test and post some results, you will have some data to make you more than just an opinion, but even when you do post that thread you will still get responses like "who cares as long as it sounds good to me". That's just the nature of the internet and the expected responses from a forum.

It's flippant to say that such responses are just an "opinion", it's textbook anti-intellectualism. If someone asks a technical question, it's plainly obvious that they are curious about how the guitar works. They didn't ask "does my guitar sound good?" or "how should I feel about my guitar?". To suggest that a technical curiosity, or any other pursuit of of knowledge is invalid, and/or that only "gut level" judgements matter, is insulting and intimidating. Interest and curiosity is a core aspect of a person's character, so what you're really saying when you question the validity of a curiosity, is that the person his or her self, is invalid.

 

[Snake Aces]

Re: Does wood make a difference?

It's flippant to say that such responses are just an "opinion", it's textbook anti-intellectualism. If someone asks a technical question, it's plainly obvious that they are curious about how the guitar works. They didn't ask "does my guitar sound good?" or "how should I feel about my guitar?". To suggest that a technical curiosity, or any other pursuit of of knowledge is invalid, and/or that only "gut level" judgements matter, is insulting and intimidating. Interest and curiosity is a core aspect of a person's character, so what you're really saying when you question the validity of a curiosity, is that the person his or her self, is invalid.

This whole response from you is just a backhanded insult to everyone who has stated their opinion in the form of preferring what their "gut level" or ears tell them on the subject. I feel like these are the kinds of posts that leave people with a sour taste in their mouth from you.

 

[treyhaislip]

Re: Does wood make a difference?

This whole response from you is just a backhanded insult to everyone who has stated their opinion in the form of preferring what their "gut level" or ears tell them on the subject. I feel like these are the kinds of posts that leave people with a sour taste in their mouth from you.

And he's the one crying harassment...

I personally go with what sounds better--I don't pick gear based off of technicalities. If it feels and sounds the way I want it to them I get it.

 

[JB_From_Hell]

Re: Does wood make a difference?

So, going back to the original post...

We've all heard two different guitars built to the same spec with the same everything somehow sound different.

This means something in all those sames isn't exactly the same. If you list all the components of an electric guitar, the vast majority are mass produced. Assuming we're talking about a quality instrument, the mass produced components will have tight tolerances, meaning they should behave similarly from one to the next.

Several of those components, however, are made from organic materials and would seem to be the most likely culprits in the two "identical" guitars not sounding the same.

I've done no experimentation, but all that leaves me to believe different wood can sound different.