Dokken Bucker

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I repeat - a Distortion and quality time with a high end delay.

It's a different animal Ace. The wire is different, mine is either un-potted or lightly potted, and it doesn't have the grind a full blown Dist has. IMO

Not saying you can't get close enough for govt work with a dist. with low gain, but we are talking about people looking for a specific tone. It's kinda like the 78 niche.
 
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Wonder how far an alt8/dist hybrid would bring you to the dokken bucker ;)

You're going to end up with a MUCH hotter pickup. Both of those have more turns than the Dokken. If memory serves though the alt has the same type of wire as the Dokken.
 
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This is the first I've heard of a Dokken bucker. It's not on Duncan's website-- is this something new for 2013 that just hasn't hit their website yet?
 
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Would you stick with the ceramic out of the DD on that one? Scott told me that throwing a thick ceramic in a JB would get it in the ball park, but I don't think I'm hearing that with the Dokken MJ sent me. Something a little else going on there, in a good way of course.


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The Dokken? I have not popped the tape off mine but I could swear it's as tall as my DD, which leads me to think it's already the thick ceramic.

To my ears the Dokken has a different low end than the DD, Custom, or JB. Like I said it seems like a 4x12-esque thing.
 
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So a few guys have asked about a full out review on the Dokken Bucker so as the only guy (that I know of) on the forum that has one I'll try to elaborate on my other statements.

The pickup is mentioned here at 4:40 by George. Mine is wound to 15K on the nose and is the double black aged model.

I've tried this guitar in my Cleveland 57 Strat (alder body) with vintage style hardware and electronics, and last week I slapped it in my R8 with Tone Pros hardware, real black beauties and a Seth in the neck.

I put it in the Strat and started playing "Breaking the Chains" and was heard it. That said, in a strat without, I think, a 10 band EQ you have a lack of low mids that really got on my nerves and made the pickup/guitar sound artificially thin. I went from my Tweed Pro to my Super, to my Modded 2204 and the low mids bothered me the whole time. It was really strange. That said the guitar was very "present" and had a tone that would never get lost in the mix. My main issue was that the low mid girth I'm used to hear in my A2 mag pickups was just not there or even my 70s X2N just wasn't there.

So same thing, I slapped it in (with a SD cover, but that's more texture than darker IMO) and started playing breaking the chains. It sounded Lynch-esque, but there was a BIG difference. The low mids hole was filled and the pickup seemed a little more balanced overall. I wasn't firmly in the early 80s Dokken world, but I wasn't far out either. It made me think of more of a Lynch Mob Wicked Sensation type of tone. I REALLY like it in the LP. I don't know about long term in the LP, but it is definitely cool.

General observations are that it's not overly hot like I expected the Super V to be or like I some other high output pickups. According to the above video George does mention that the magnet is degaussed which I think is interesting. Another interesting thing is that the pickup has MINIMAL compression compared to other hot pickups. I think this is the characteristic I really latch onto. That's my big gripe with high output pickups, they feel/sound smaller due to the sheer amount of compression. I THINK that is what George was going for with the Screamin Demon as well. More power and no compression carries the day here. The phrase I feel describes it accurately is "this pickup has a lot of bandwidth".

So....if you're a Lynch-head....GET ONE!

Save your pennies and dimes, pass the Screamin Demon up and wait till you can talk to MJ. I didn't know this pickup existed before the Dallas guitar show, but now I do and I'm glad I've had a chance to experience it.

Luke


Im sorry Bro! Went back and reread your post. It isnt real clear as where the LP part of the test is. I think I found it. Is it the paragraph that starts with > "So, same thing"? Thanks for the info! I just didnt follow it the first time I read it.
 
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Got a clip of this tone?

Yeah, I'm going to record a tone with a crappy digital setup compress it to hell and back, tell you to listen on crappy computer speakers, through the extra 15 years of tinnitus you have on me, and expect you to hear exactly what I hear in the practice room. You've got more degrees than Carter has liver pills, you know that isn't how it works.

I'll put it like this, if you believe there's not enough tonal difference between a Seth and A2P to justify two pickups then I ABSOLUTELY could see you wouldn't expect there to be enough tonal difference to justify the existence of two pickups in this case.

Im sorry Bro! Went back and reread your post. It isnt real clear as where the LP part of the test is. I think I found it. Is it the paragraph that starts with > "So, same thing"? Thanks for the info! I just didnt follow it the first time I read it.

Just messing with ya. You nailed it though. MUCH better tone, to me, in a LP than a super strat, but that might be just me.
 
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Yeah, I'm going to record a tone with a crappy digital setup compress it to hell and back, tell you to listen on crappy computer speakers, through the extra 15 years of tinnitus you have on me, and expect you to hear exactly what I hear in the practice room. You've got more degrees than Carter has liver pills, you know that isn't how it works.

I'll put it like this, if you believe there's not enough tonal difference between a Seth and A2P to justify two pickups then I ABSOLUTELY could see you wouldn't expect there to be enough tonal difference to justify the existence of two pickups in this case.



Just messing with ya. You nailed it though. MUCH better tone, to me, in a LP than a super strat, but that might be just me.

Im glad you called me out tho bro, cuz I missed the LP info the first time I read thru..
 
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Like the 78, neither one will make you sounds like those players unless you chase down every pieces of gear and then transplant their fingers on your. lol!

TRUTH!!! I fell for the buy this pu and you will get that tone before but never again.
IMHO even with the same exact rig you wont get the same tone as any formentioned player the pu may have been made for.
there are a few out there that can sound a lot like another player with any gear but in general buying a 78,demon,RTM will make you sound like you on that pu
 
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Yeah, I'm going to record a tone with a crappy digital setup compress it to hell and back, tell you to listen on crappy computer speakers, through the extra 15 years of tinnitus you have on me, and expect you to hear exactly what I hear in the practice room. You've got more degrees than Carter has liver pills, you know that isn't how it works.

I'll put it like this, if you believe there's not enough tonal difference between a Seth and A2P to justify two pickups then I ABSOLUTELY could see you wouldn't expect there to be enough tonal difference to justify the existence of two pickups in this case.

Hey - I'm skeptical, but just asking!

I absolutely believe the Seth and the A2P are way different. So is a PG and a 59. An A2P and a Slash? I don't know. I'm a huge Dokken fan. Seen them a few times. LM too.

That said - the recording from back then are massive crap. And, the question is what pup and guitar was he really using? If it was a SuperD in an LP (and it could have been...) tell me how this guitar in your axe gets that tone?

I just don't see that his tone is all that difficult, not that I can tell from the short delay and wash of reverb on the stuff. And his later stuff is so finger-based and Ultra Harmonized and well produced, I can't do that either.

But I'm asking because I don't understand. Not trying to be dooshy - just want to see where you are coming from.
 
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Hey - I'm skeptical, but just asking!

I absolutely believe the Seth and the A2P are way different. So is a PG and a 59. An A2P and a Slash? I don't know. I'm a huge Dokken fan. Seen them a few times. LM too.

Alright I now understand where you are coming from.

That said - the recording from back then are massive crap. And, the question is what pup and guitar was he really using? If it was a SuperD in an LP (and it could have been...) tell me how this guitar in your axe gets that tone?

I didn't know he ever used a SuperD in a LP, but it WAS the 80s, so I don't doubt it in the least. In my Cleveland 57 strat I was hearing an approximation of the majority of the tunes on The Very Best of Dokken album. Like I said George's EQ makes a difference, but the sound is there. It doesn't sound too distant from "in my dreams" through my 2204.

just don't see that his tone is all that difficult, not that I can tell from the short delay and wash of reverb on the stuff. And his later stuff is so finger-based and Ultra Harmonized and well produced, I can't do that either.

Neither is VH's with the right gear. Like I said this pup is like the '78 and gets you another step closer SHOULD you desire THAT particular tone. My delay I'm using is an old EH Memory Man and seems to be in the balpark of what George was using during Dokken.

The Dokken is not as muscular sounding as a DD. It's got a cool low end thump thing, but it's just not as muscular. In fact, it was a little wiry in my strat for my taste. It's also not as warm and full sounding as a JB.

In the LP it gets the LM thing going simply due to fatness while still retaining the low end tightness. It almost makes me wonder if THAT was the LP SuperD thing you mentioned.

But I'm asking because I don't understand. Not trying to be dooshy - just want to see where you are coming from.

Well obviously we were speaking to one another but not communicating. Hope that I cleared it up some for you.
 
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He said it was a beefy 12K? WTF? I thought it was a specially wound Duncan Distortion... what is he talking about? Is he confusing the Super Distortion with the Duncan Distortion? Or is the Dokken Bucker truly a beefy 12K?

I would say that the Super V has about as much output as an antiquity PAF... not much juice there but it does have a bold presence and aggressive stance compared to the other low output buckers out there... a very interesting and unexpected pickup.
 
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As to Luke's OP, I agree that the tone with both that video of the artist and the actual pup is on the thin side, hence it being referred to as a "DD lite". The same can be said of the Demon. And another recent video indicates that model has a bit if a single coil quality...which could also be considered a thin quality for a humbucker. And then consider the woods used by the artist in his signature models...a lot of maple, some ash and some alder. Then he's using korina in the guitars he's making along with an option to pit a 'replica of his DD' in the custom guitars (clearly this model, especially based on what MJ told me about how the artist likes them). There is more that can be said, but it will take someone actually being in the room with the rig before they can comment on it with a degree of knowledge of the matter...as would be the case with any pickup, of course.
 
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