Dumping my V30 Celestials

[audiocheck]

It seems I finally made the choice to get rid of my V30's. I replaced 1 212 with G12-50GL Lynchbacks. I also replaced a 112 Boogie cab with an old G12M-70, only thing I had laying around.

V30 vs Lynchback: Lynch is warmer, same tight low end (wired in parallel) Still has upper mid cut, without the ear fatigue the V30 gives you. I think the Lynchback is the sleeper in the Celestion lineup.

G12M-70: Though this speaker gets a bad rap, I actually find it to be a great speaker for high gain amps. This speaker doesn't have as much of the Celestion grind. By this I mean, Celestions have their own distorted characteristic that add to your tone. Most Celestions have a mid grind to them. The G12M-70's seem to shift that up the frequency spectrum a little, leaving you with a speaker with more articulation and clarity. This speaker may not have as much low end, but what it has is tight. I can see why it was titled the Modern Lead. It has more of a modern tone than that of the classic Celestion tone. Not bad at all, just different. Still better, in my opinion, than the V30 I had in that cabinet.

 

[audiocheck]

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DAMN SPELL CHECK!!

 

[Rex_Rocker]

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I have a love-hate thing with V30's. In the room, sometimes I hate them, but sometimes I like them (but I never really love them). I find they tend to be a bit boxy in smaller cabs, and they can be harsh sometimes in bigger cabs. Sometimes they're alright, though. They're kinda moody. I much prefer Creamback H-75's in the room. They're brighter/airier, yet not as harsh. They're tighter too.

As soon as I throw a mic in front of a V30, everything changes, though. They're THAT sound.

 

[dave74]

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I love the mesaV30, yet I agree.
Lynchbacks are a great speaker, and not near as boxy-toned as a v30 in small cabs.

 

[misterwhizzy]

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I feel like I'm the only member here who jumped off the V30 bandwagon in favor of Greenbacks. That crunch just nails the tone in my head.

 

[Demanic]

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Finally! Someone else who appreciates the 12M-70!

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[some_dude]

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I feel like I'm the only member here who jumped off the V30 bandwagon in favor of Greenbacks. That crunch just nails the tone in my head.

I have Greenbacks in my Recto cab.

 

[dave74]

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Mesa now offers the original greenbacks and a few other models along with the usual c90 and v30 option.
Not sure if they're releasing any as stock with the gb. Probably would be in a traditional-size if they did.

 

[some_dude]

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Mesa now offers the original greenbacks and a few other models along with the usual c90 and v30 option.
Not sure if they're releasing any as stock with the gb. Probably would be in a traditional-size if they did.

Mesa's been selling Greenbacks for years (decades?) and they'll put them in whatever cab you want. I don't think you'll see them as stock in anything since they're not a new offering and they haven't done it before, but who knows? They sound pretty good with the TC-50.


What is interesting to me is that they now have a bunch of UK made Celesions for sale... Creams, Gold and Blue. Seeing those speakers on their site up has me wondering what they're up to...

 

[Boogie Bill]

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^

Making money....

I really wish they would still offer the EVM!

Bill

 

[dave74]

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Mesa's been selling Greenbacks for years (decades?) and they'll put them in whatever cab you want. I don't think you'll see them as stock in anything since they're not a new offering and they haven't done it before, but who knows? They sound pretty good with the TC-50.


What is interesting to me is that they now have a bunch of UK made Celesions for sale... Creams, Gold and Blue. Seeing those speakers on their site up has me wondering what they're up to...

Well their website only had the c90 and v30 for years, until just recently when they expanded, just after the fillmore was added.
Maybe they've sold them for decades but they weren't advertised on the site for aftermarket sales,,,,,,,,,,and I was on the site a lot lol.

 

[Van Noord]

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I've owned a lot of speakers, but made the conscious decision to stay with V30s across the board. I found that I tend to get the most of my tone's midrange freq from my speakers and pickups, and pull back the amps mids to half or less on the dial.
IMO, it's when you dial in too much midrange from too many different sources, that it causes the V30s to be overwhelming.
I will also not use a single 1x12 V30 or even a 2x12. For me they must be in a 4x12. The added internal volume is essential to get the best sound from them. I also much prefer well broken in V30s. When they have very little miles on them they can sound stiff, brittle, bright and gnaw at your ear canal.

 

[some_dude]

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Well their website only had the c90 and v30 for years, until just recently when they expanded, just after the fillmore was added.
Maybe they've sold them for decades but they weren't advertised on the site for aftermarket sales,,,,,,,,,,and I was on the site a lot lol.

They've been available online for a long time. I've talked their rep about it in the past since they only offered the G12Ms in one impedance, which for whatever reason is still the case. The G12M-25s are also still listed at their old price, which suggests they're not new stock. The V30s and C90s have both had a price increase.

Conversely, all the new options are available in 8 and 16 ohm versions and priced higher (the alnico speakers are more expensive for obvious reasons, but the ceramic speakers are more costly too).


Anyway, I'm curious about these other speakers. Last year it was rumoured that Mesa had three big things on the table and the guy that started the rumour has confirmed that the TC was one of them. The other two are supposed to be unique for Mesa... which has me curious about why Mesa has decided to start carrying new speakers now? They've dabbled in the AC30 in the past... now they have Alnico Blues up on their website...

 

[Gtrjunior]

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I feel like I'm the only member here who jumped off the V30 bandwagon in favor of Greenbacks. That crunch just nails the tone in my head.

Nope...you’re not alone. I’ll take a greenie over a V30 any day.

 

[Demanic]

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For what I play, Greenbacks are just too ragged sounding. Between the two, I'd go with the V30. Really, I like the Swamp Thang.

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[some_dude]

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I switch back and forth between Greenbacks and V30s.

After playing V30s for awhile I'll plug into GBs I think "this sounds f*cking awesome" while V30s sound kind of boring.

Then, after playing Greenbacks for awhile I'll plug into V30s I think "this sounds f*cking awesome" while the GBs sound kind of boring.

 

[Demanic]

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Each for it's application. I would like the Greenback in an open 1x12 for blues or maybe clean jazz. I'd want the V30 in something closed for metal or even classic rock.

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[dave74]

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I switch back and forth between Greenbacks and V30s.

After playing V30s for awhile I'll plug into GBs I think "this sounds f*cking awesome" while V30s sound kind of boring.

Then, after playing Greenbacks for awhile I'll plug into V30s I think "this sounds f*cking awesome" while the GBs sound kind of boring.

I'm the same way lol. It's that change that's so inspiring.
With me it's the K and the V, and then sometimes combined.
Depends somewhat on which guitar/pickups I'm using, and which amp as well.

 

[Gtrjunior]

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Each for it's application. I would like the Greenback in an open 1x12 for blues or maybe clean jazz. I'd want the V30 in something closed for metal or even classic rock.

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Funny you prefer the V30 in a rock setting. Well, not that it’s an odd choice because as we know they have been used in that application for a long time but I always seem to think Greenback in a rock setting. I can see why they would work well for blues/jazz being that they are a pretty warm speaker.

I have a WGS Veteran 30/ET65 combo in one of my 2x12 cabs. I tend to avoid plugging into that cab because I find it a bit harsh. That said, they still are a long way from being broken in and I haven’t tried them in a band situation yet....maybe I’d love them in a mix.

 

[6stringerguy]

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I use a V30 and K100 combo and have absolutely no problems