NSD: Electro-Harmonix 12" speakers
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Phantasmagoria
watch where you point that sabre
Sorry I bought them at a guitar store here for 3000 Indian Rupee's each (a hair..10 cents or so over USD 35). Saw them piled up in their boxes in a corner and they caught my eye :laugh2:
El Dunco
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That’s why I love the Emi V12 Legend. It’s got everything I like about the V30 on paper with the first things to get dialled out already baked into the sound, as it’s a very smooth, balanced speaker. Compliments my G12Ks perfectly as my favourite, ultimate hi-gain speaker set.
ehdwuld
A Ficus
I found my thread when I got my EHX speaker
the Photo links are broken but ....
https://forum.seymourduncan.com/forum/amplifier-central/330120-nsd-new-speaker-day
the Photo links are broken but ....
https://forum.seymourduncan.com/forum/amplifier-central/330120-nsd-new-speaker-day
Phantasmagoria
watch where you point that sabre
Sweet, thanks for that :bigthumb:
This vid (in the thread you just posted) has better audio too. I think they sound very decent & usable ( and not just for $35)
...& yeah ..it's all rupee's here :laugh2:
Electro-harmonix has them listed for sale on their site for $62 or something like that....
I wonder if there's a difference between the speaker I posted in the first post of this thread (first pic of the speaker in it's box) and the one I got/posted pics of later.
The sticker's at the back are'nt the same & the second one has a vent in the middle which the first does'nt have/is covered by the sticker (Version 1 & Version 2?)
This vid (in the thread you just posted) has better audio too. I think they sound very decent & usable ( and not just for $35)
...& yeah ..it's all rupee's here :laugh2:
Electro-harmonix has them listed for sale on their site for $62 or something like that....
I wonder if there's a difference between the speaker I posted in the first post of this thread (first pic of the speaker in it's box) and the one I got/posted pics of later.
The sticker's at the back are'nt the same & the second one has a vent in the middle which the first does'nt have/is covered by the sticker (Version 1 & Version 2?)
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Rex_Rocker
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I tend to stay away from Eminence most of the time. All of the ones that I've tried have either had a weird holow almost phase-y voicing to the mids that comes across super evidently when you mic them up (I've had the V12 and Governor) or are unusably dark (the Texas Heat). I've come across soooooo many Eminence speaker clips tha confirm that, like the new Slipknot speaker they came up with, the VHT P50E, the Splawn Small Blocks, etc.. They're usually decent in-the-room speakers, but at least the plain old 57 tends to hate them.
I would love to be proven wrong, TBH, but I'm not holding my breath. Especially with my bad experiences with the V12 and Governor which I have no idea how they manage to sound both dark and fizzy at the same time.
Celestions for the most part have been so easy to mic up with the exception of the T-75 which tends to sound super bright and thin at the center of the dustcap or super dark and hollow where the dustcap meets the cone. I'm sure there is a sweet spot somewhere in between, but I've never cared enough for that speaker's tone to really take the effort to find it.
But Creambacks, Greenbacks, Anniversaries, V30's, Gold, EVH's have all so been easy to work with. The problem with Celestion is they vary a lot throughout the years, so a V30 from 2000 sounds NOTHING like a V30 from 2010, for example.
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Inflames626
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I always thought V30s were sort of the usual tone (like an Alnico V if you will), Greenbacks were more vintage (A2s), and G12-T75s were bright (ceramic-y)?
Rex_Rocker
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Not sure I agree. My Greenbacks were more wide-range than my V30's. They're spongier and rattier because of how they break up, but they're also both fatter and more sizzly. They're not modern speakers by any means, mind you, but they're not as honky either. At least IME.
Inflames626
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I only know from plugins myself. I haven't used my Carvin 4x12 or Randall 2x15 in years.
Phantasmagoria
watch where you point that sabre
I love Greenbacks/GB clones....that's my favorite kinda guitar sound.
Unfortunately I've never owned a cab w/ Greenbacks myself though I've played through many (rehearsal space/Studio's/backline at venues etc).
My fave GB clone is the Emi Legend GB128 (though it actually has more of of it's own thing going on..but yeah, fat, spongy but a bit darker with slightly rolled back and IMO 'better'/rounder highs & bass) a very sweet musical speaker that can get pretty grindy/raunchy w/ gain....but never too hairy & fizzy on top like a pushed Greenback can...
Unfortunately I've never owned a cab w/ Greenbacks myself though I've played through many (rehearsal space/Studio's/backline at venues etc).
My fave GB clone is the Emi Legend GB128 (though it actually has more of of it's own thing going on..but yeah, fat, spongy but a bit darker with slightly rolled back and IMO 'better'/rounder highs & bass) a very sweet musical speaker that can get pretty grindy/raunchy w/ gain....but never too hairy & fizzy on top like a pushed Greenback can...
Rex_Rocker
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Yeah, that's another thing. I never really pushed my Greenbacks. I never ran anything higher powered than a Rockerverb 50 through my cab. And honestly, at any point, I hardly ever noticed the "speaker breakup" thing being as bad as people make it out to be. They always stayed nice and tight/bold. Maybe a little hairy, but never farty.
Maybe if pushed a cranked 100W Plexi through it. But we're past a point in time where that, glorious as it may have been back in the day, is hardly ever a reasonable option.
Maybe if pushed a cranked 100W Plexi through it. But we're past a point in time where that, glorious as it may have been back in the day, is hardly ever a reasonable option.
Rex_Rocker
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Aaaaaand, that's also another thing. There are like 78304349739437 variations of Greenbacks nowadays.
I have 2 Chinese ones from the 2010's in my Marshall cab which sound dark and 2 newer UK-made ones that sound bright and raspy. Neither are truly "broken in" either, so it's not a matter of that.
I have also had 2 Vox-labeled Chinese Greenbacks which have a distinctly different dustcap and doping. I kept one of them in my Orange 1x12.
I also had two G12-EVH's which had a black magnet cover, but supposedly were just relabeled Heritage Greenbacks.
I also had a 10" Greenback which sounded nothing like the 12" versions, TBH. Then again, that one was 8 ohms, and all of my 12" GB's have been 16 ohms.
I have 2 Chinese ones from the 2010's in my Marshall cab which sound dark and 2 newer UK-made ones that sound bright and raspy. Neither are truly "broken in" either, so it's not a matter of that.
I have also had 2 Vox-labeled Chinese Greenbacks which have a distinctly different dustcap and doping. I kept one of them in my Orange 1x12.
I also had two G12-EVH's which had a black magnet cover, but supposedly were just relabeled Heritage Greenbacks.
I also had a 10" Greenback which sounded nothing like the 12" versions, TBH. Then again, that one was 8 ohms, and all of my 12" GB's have been 16 ohms.
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Inflames626
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I don't know a lot about live sound, but mics/cabs/placement seems kind of outdated in an age when you can run an emulated out or impulse response.
Nobody hears your cab really, especially in large venues and arenas. They hear your cab picked up and then played through the sound reinforcement speakers, yet another layer of tone shaping.
Nobody hears your cab really, especially in large venues and arenas. They hear your cab picked up and then played through the sound reinforcement speakers, yet another layer of tone shaping.
Rex_Rocker
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100% agreed, but that doesn't take away from the fun of mic'ing a cab. At least to me.
True, but also, who's playing large venues and arenas in this forum? Certainly not me, LOL.
Inflames626
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100% agreed, but that doesn't take away from the fun of mic'ing a cab. At least to me.
True, but also, who's playing large venues and arenas in this forum? Certainly not me, LOL.
I'm glad to be rid of that variable live, but it's fun to play w mics in software.
Rex_Rocker
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Honestly, it's not too bad if you have a reamp box, and just a one cab and a couple of mics. I have two SM57's myself as well as a Beta 57A and a Sennheiser e609. I just never use the Beta or the Sennheinser because they sound like shit, honestly. At least for Metal guitars. One of my 57's is much brighter and higher output than the other. I like that one the best because it sounds the tightest and most up front.
Once you get to know your cab and speakers, you can sorta guess where the sweet spot would be. For me, it was always top right speaker (even if I did have quite a few different speakers in that cab) with the mic pointed at where the dustcap meets the cone, but not on top of the little blob terminals that you get on Celestions on one side of the dustcap. Those blobs tend to darken the sound a bit, and I like my mic'd sounds bright, upfront, and agressive. That, and with the mic an inch or so away from the grill cloth because right against it, things got boomy fast, especially with Greenbacks.
I guess it does get overwhelming if you're trying to come up with different sounds for different people.
Once you get to know your cab and speakers, you can sorta guess where the sweet spot would be. For me, it was always top right speaker (even if I did have quite a few different speakers in that cab) with the mic pointed at where the dustcap meets the cone, but not on top of the little blob terminals that you get on Celestions on one side of the dustcap. Those blobs tend to darken the sound a bit, and I like my mic'd sounds bright, upfront, and agressive. That, and with the mic an inch or so away from the grill cloth because right against it, things got boomy fast, especially with Greenbacks.
I guess it does get overwhelming if you're trying to come up with different sounds for different people.
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Phantasmagoria
watch where you point that sabre
Personally I always thought mic'ing cab's was a huge PIA...always left it up to the soundguy at gigs ....but of late I've been kinda getting into it :bigthumb:
Good as IR's can sound I think they're still not quite upto the real thing... it's like modeler's vs. actual amp's..
Good as IR's can sound I think they're still not quite upto the real thing... it's like modeler's vs. actual amp's..
Rex_Rocker
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Depends on the context you're using them. I personally would have no hesitation of using them in a recording. Hell, I think I'm getting much better tones now with my HX Stomp than I ever did mic'ing my EVH and my Marshall 4x12. But I still really miss mic'ing up that amp. I'm honestly totally against "yah t00b m0jo" or "old amps just sound better", but it's also hard to have played through a raging half stack and then going back to playing through headphones and IR's. Hard to separate the romanticisim from playing guitar when playing guitar is all about emotion.
But being objective, in a full mix, especially if I'm not going to record the amp through high-end preamps and converters and in a treated room, I bet I could get better tones from IR's.
